New Warhammer 40,000 Edition announced!

[Mogger351]

10 hours ago, Crimson Longinus said:

What the hell is going on with those precisions attacks? Also, a weird plasma pistol buff. 

Don't forget these datasheets are specifically for the boxset and will be invalidated in a month or two.

 

I suspect the random precision is because of the whopping 5 ork characters that make up half their army as a balancing point. Id be amazed if they kept it after.

[ZeroWolf]

49 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Don't forget these datasheets are specifically for the boxset and will be invalidated in a month or two.

 

I suspect the random precision is because of the whopping 5 ork characters that make up half their army as a balancing point. Id be amazed if they kept it after.

This ^ 

From my understanding, the released datasheets from both included factions only pertain to when using the box to play a game (not that some won't try to play one side against a completely different force...which would be interesting to see how they fare since they look balanced against each other).

 

I'm expecting different datasheets when the codex drops, but time will tell.

[Blindhamster]

Characters taking 3MW is so dumb.

[Mogger351]

55 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Characters taking 3MW is so dumb.

Why? I can see an argument for d3

[Karhedron]

56 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Characters taking 3MW is so dumb.

 

Agreed. Mephiston is nerfed hard by this since he has 2 separate Hazardous weapons.

[Mogger351]

Just now, Karhedron said:

 

Agreed. Mephiston is nerfed hard by this since he has 2 separate Hazardous weapons.

It's so there's some actual risk so captain timmy with his 5/6 wounds can't just overcharge by default and know they can do it all game with no real penalty.

[Karhedron]

6 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

It's so there's some actual risk so captain timmy with his 5/6 wounds can't just overcharge by default and know they can do it all game with no real penalty.

 

On average a character overcharging would lose 3 wounds over the course of a game. Now they will kill themselves on average. I see plasma pistols being put on Sergeants instead instead and characters getting MC Bolters (at least for Marines).

[Nephaston]

I can also see epic heroes getting safe plasma pistols like the one Vitrian Messinius has in fluff.

[Mogger351]

2 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

On average a character overcharging would lose 3 wounds over the course of a game. Now they will kill themselves on average. I see plasma pistols being put on Sergeants instead instead and characters getting MC Bolters (at least for Marines).

Or just don't overcharge it?

[Orange Knight]

Plasma pistol rules have new rules in 11th. They have D3 shots when not overcharged which is pretty cool and thematic.

Feels like a video game mechanic. Multiple weak shots or a charged blast.

[Trokair]

Where does it say that Characters take 3 Mortal Wounds on a failed hazard roll?

Page 24 of the core rules pdf says 1 unles vechil/monster then 3. 

[Vassakov]

42 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

On average a character overcharging would lose 3 wounds over the course of a game. Now they will kill themselves on average. I see plasma pistols being put on Sergeants instead instead and characters getting MC Bolters (at least for Marines).

 

It's actually the exact opposite.

 

Previously, HAZARD ROLLS had to be applied to models with HAZARDOUS weapons, so for example a Chaos Chosen would explode one of the failed plasma pistol models on a failed roll, and Psykers like Sorcerers and Librarians would nuke themselves. Now, it's just one wound on the unit, so characters with bodyguards can have their mates tank the damage instead (and Chosen are much better because they only take 2/3s the number of wounds they did in 10th.)

[Mogger351]

I think the crux of the point is there has to be adequate risk to hazardous/overcharged weapons. You shouldn't be expecting to just overheat and blast away without recourse all game as a character.

[Karhedron]

22 minutes ago, Vassakov said:

It's actually the exact opposite.

 

Apologies, I misread. I thought it was Characters too. In that case plasma is back on the menu.

 

Although I can see Redemptor Dreads losing their shine a bit.

[Vassakov]

3 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

Apologies, I misread. I thought it was Characters too. In that case plasma is back on the menu.

 

Although I can see Redemptor Dreads losing their shine a bit.

 

No worries - I think it's because Hazardous at first glance looks the same as 10th, but its actually very different and that's going to catch people out initially.

 

Feel you on Redemptors... my Forgefiends are looking very risky now, though I might actually be able to achieve the mythical "Activate at 12W and die" outcome now it is significantly more likely.

[Karhedron]

3 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

Plasma pistol rules have new rules in 11th. They have D3 shots when not overcharged which is pretty cool and thematic.

 

I think my new squad of Wolf Scouts with plasma pistols throughout suddenly got a glow-up!