New Warhammer 40,000 Edition announced!

[Ahzek451]

Wait, so are some of the rules like "healing" only found in the app? Im curious now, so if someone purchases rhe rulebook, cards, and had associated codex...is that not everything and you still would have to reference the app for some things(not including updates)? 

[Rusted Boltgun]

6 hours ago, Doghouse said:

 

From what I have been told the core rulebook is missing about 20 rules referenced in the book. Stuff like Go to ground and Healing were two that were mentioned to me.

 

How true this is I honestly don't know, this is second hand info from people I know who are more invested in 11th.

 

Go to ground has been removed as a strategy and is worked into the Hidden mechanic, if Google's sampling of Vanguard Tactics is to be believed.

 

As for healing, it isn't a core action so isn't in the Core Rules. The rules indicate other actions rules will be found elsewhere, such as mission packs.

 

 

There is an example of a 'healing' rule on the Painboy datasheet

 

 

So perhaps data sheets will be where we find rules like this? 

 

 

[silverstu]

12 hours ago, Frogian said:

WARHAMMER 40K: CORE RULES - £15.00
WH40K: CHAPTER APPROVED MISSION DECK ENG - £20.50
WH40K: DOMINATUS - ARMAGEDDON (ENGLISH)- - £20.50
WARHAMMER 40000: TERRAIN AREA SET - £18.75
COMBAT PATROL COMPANION (ENGLISH)- £20.50

 

£15 for the core rules seems crazy - I get they are free online anyway, but when so much the rules are missing from it and only available on the app, it seems a crazy price. 

Core rules seems decent - card decks look pricey if anything. I like having a separate small rule book, I don't think I picked up the big book that much last edition and now it sits filling my shelves alongside the other big edition books. 

[Frogian]

11 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

I'm not being funny but for years people have asked for the rules to be separate from the fluff. They've done that and cut it back hugely. £15 hardly seems bad. 

 

What would you consider reasonable?...

I'd consider it reasonable if it actually contained all the rules needed to play

 

10 hours ago, SvenIronhand said:

I think the confusion comes from the PDF GW released missing those things.

 

The PDF is exactly the same as the printed rule book. So things like modifying characteristics, re-rolls, multiple weapon profiles, within/wholly within... and dozens more aren't in there. And I would say a lot of things that actually have to be checked once you know how to play, are the things missing. 

 

  

5 hours ago, Ahzek451 said:

Wait, so are some of the rules like "healing" only found in the app? Im curious now, so if someone purchases rhe rulebook, cards, and had associated codex...is that not everything and you still would have to reference the app for some things(not including updates)? 

 

Yes exactly - you can download the pdf and see everything in green on the right text boxes is something you need to check on the app. 

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[SvenIronhand]

23 minutes ago, Frogian said:

The PDF is exactly the same as the printed rule book.

Are you sure about that?

[Rusted Boltgun]

32 minutes ago, Frogian said:

. Yes exactly - you can download the pdf and see everything in green on the right text boxes is something you need to check on the app. 

 

That's not entirely correct, some of the highlighted text does have sections to refer to in the .pdf. For example

 

 

I think starting under full strength is also covered in the main body of the rules.

 

The .pdf released reads like an early copy that hasn't been finished. Most of the 'See Also' elements have the reference number to go to in the rulebook, the highlighted ones don't, suggesting that more text and references are to be added. 

 

I wonder what the rule book in the box is like?

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Wobbly words

[Frogian]

13 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

Are you sure about that?

Yes, I already have the printed rulebook. 

 

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[Rusted Boltgun]

@Frogian, does your rulebook contain a section for Regaining Lost Wounds?

 

 

The .pdf isn't exactly the same as the printed rulebook - it stops at p.88 and doesn't include the index shown in your photo.

 

Weird it directs you to the App for Revived but the rules are in the book!

 

A bit rubbish you need the app to get the full rules....

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[Frogian]

Nope - pages 1 to 88 are exactly the same

[Rusted Boltgun]

So rules not covered in the rulebook are

 

 

 

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More to come...

[Rusted Boltgun]

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[Rusted Boltgun]

 

[Rusted Boltgun]

And finally

 

[Mogger351]

Looks like marines get updates today:

 

https://www.tabletopbattles.com/40k-11th-edition-faction-pack-review-space-marines

[Castigator]

21 minutes ago, Rusted Boltgun said:

And finally

 

 

Thank you for that information. Where are all these missing rules to be found then?

[SvenIronhand]

16 minutes ago, Castigator said:

Thank you for that information. Where are all these missing rules to be found then?

Probably in the app. On another note, the SM faction pack updates are up. For the most part, they're errata but the new 1DP detachments have been put up, too. For the most part, I'm whelmed with the SW ones — especially the Grey Hunters focused one.

[Mr Farson]

The combat patrol book being 20 quid is absolute insanity considering the previous getting started with Warhammer offerings were a fiver 

[Crimson Longinus]

It seems pretty annoying that they're selling a rulebook, but somehow it doesn't actually have all the rules. What, why?

[01RTB01]

Second ed 40k required that not only did you have to buy the core box, but all the vehicle and psychic rules were contained in the Dark Millennium supplement. 

 

Sadly this isn't new.

[ZeroWolf]

39 minutes ago, Mr Farson said:

The combat patrol book being 20 quid is absolute insanity considering the previous getting started with Warhammer offerings were a fiver 

They'll be selling a new getting started with Warhammer in a month or so as it'll come with a new intercessor amd an ork boy. Though I've ever only seen them at the £10 mark. Plus the combat patrol book isn't the same thing...but it should have been in the big book in the Armageddon box!

[Ahzek451]

50 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

Second ed 40k required that not only did you have to buy the core box, but all the vehicle and psychic rules were contained in the Dark Millennium supplement. 

 

Sadly this isn't new.

I'd say I don't care about how it was then and more into how it should be now. 11 editions in and when you buy a rulebook it should have all the rules. Having this stuff scattered between paper and an app is annoying to say the least. Pick a lane. 

 

[01RTB01]

16 minutes ago, Ahzek451 said:

I'd say I don't care about how it was then and more into how it should be now. 11 editions in and when you buy a rulebook it should have all the rules. Having this stuff scattered between paper and an app is annoying to say the least. Pick a lane. 

 

 

It was never going to all be in one location anyway because of the cards required for missions. 

 

Because of the inevitable and relatively constant updates, the book are generally rapidly invalidated too. Since the advent of the card mission packs we've required multiple things to play. 

 

Whether it's right or not, it simply is and other companies are no different. SW legion printed stuff is updated frequently which requires using different formats, bolt action requires multiple books if you're playing anything bar the basic scenarios out the main book. A song of ice and fire updates the cards so frequently I've zero idea if what I own is ok to use or not.

 

I understand the frustration but so many companies do the same thing, we can't pretend it's unique to GW. 

 

 

[Frogian]

27 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

It was never going to all be in one location anyway because of the cards required for missions. 

 

Well that's a whole other point - the most basic way to play (only war, whichever mission card it is now) should also have been in the book.

Not sure how 2nd ed is relevant when we've had 8 editions between that one and this one that managed. 

 

And the thing with updates is you can choose to ignore them. You can get a rule book with all the rules and just go for it and work out any issues with your opponent where things aren't clear. We used to do that all the time. You can't do that if you don't have all the rules in the first place

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[Ahzek451]

4 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

It was never going to all be in one location anyway because of the cards required for missions. 

 

Because of the inevitable and relatively constant updates, the book are generally rapidly invalidated too. Since the advent of the card mission packs we've required multiple things to play. 

 

Whether it's right or not, it simply is and other companies are no different. SW legion printed stuff is updated frequently which requires using different formats, bolt action requires multiple books if you're playing anything bar the basic scenarios out the main book. A song of ice and fire updates the cards so frequently I've zero idea if what I own is ok to use or not.

 

I understand the frustration but so many companies do the same thing, we can't pretend it's unique to GW. 

 

 

I get that, I wasn't arguing for what is or what others are doing, I'm saying I don't agree with it, specifically how things are scattered between paper and an app. I am fine with rules being on sperate printed media. I just dont like it across printed and digital. Again, pick a lane. 

[DemonGSides]

6 minutes ago, Ahzek451 said:

I get that, I wasn't arguing for what is or what others are doing, I'm saying I don't agree with it, specifically how things are scattered between paper and an app. I am fine with rules being on sperate printed media. I just dont like it across printed and digital. Again, pick a lane. 

 

The lane is digital, it's just the "I demand physical books" hold-outs that they're catering to.

 

I can't remember the last time I opened either a rulebook or a codex to actually look at the rules.  Very easy to just search in the app for what you want, or use the command bunker when in a game for datasheets.  With the upcoming change to also have quick access to your opponents rules, the app is going to be even more centralized as the 'main' way to utilize the content.