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[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

12 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

It's BEEN one of the strongest detachments in the game, even at smaller point levels. There's basically no reason to run the other detachments for Blood Angels at any point level otherwise (even Angelic Inheritors) unless you really want to try and argue Angelic Host is actually equivalent. 

You’re completely missing the point that LAG, or Sons of Sanguinius or Red Thirst or whatever the name has been over the years has been THE blood angels rule for decades at this point. Strength buff on the charge is as synonymous with Blood Angels as Dante. Now, because it was “powerful” for 1.5 years, it’s taken away from 1000 point games? A version of that rule was in place in 9th when BA were bottom of the win rate charts. Did I stop playing that rule then? No. Because it’s how you play blood angels.

[SvenIronhand]

You can play other points levels.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

2 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Liberator Assault Group is 3DP meaning it cannot be taken in a 1000 point game. Awful. I'm actually upset by that. 

 

Just talk with your opponent, I think most would prefer third detachment point as well. Its not like GW runs 1000 point events, which kind of stinks cause its a fun format. 

 

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Stormlance is 3DP and thus unusable in 1000pt games.

White Scars suffering the Curse of Ravenwing and Wolfcav existing...

 

On a more positive note, the (formerly known as) Goonhammer article was wrong and Deathwatch did get updated, specifically the Corvus Blackstar lost AIRCRAFT.

 

I was kind of suprised that they made spearpoint task force 3, I could understand stormlance being 3 but white scars definitely caught a stray and they could use a boost.

 

2 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

Anything is possible at this point but this seems unlikely. To do that, you would have to make divergent Chapters separate factions which then undermines the case for selling them as supplements rather than full blown codices.

 

Black templars don't have Oath they have vows, so there is an exception. Their reasoning never really made sense to me in the first place, and as long as they don't put the core units in the supplements we're still going to have to buy them. 

[Evil Eye]

1 hour ago, Blindhamster said:

The red thirst is what makes a blood angel a blood angel, without it you’re just a red ultramarine.

Gabriel Seth's lament continues to ring true! 

[Karhedron]

Simplest solution for small games is to play 1001 points. The units will be exactly the same as you can't buy anything for the extra 1 point. But it will make the game count as Strikeforce and thus give both sides 3DPs. This is the best solution IMHO as it doesn't require house rules or any other adjustments. You just pick a slightly nonstandard sized battle and play rules as written.

[jaxom]

23 minutes ago, Jorin Helm-splitter said:

was kind of suprised that they made spearpoint task force 3, I could understand stormlance being 3 but white scars definitely caught a stray and they could use a boost.

Indy wasn’t quite right in the first comment. Spearpoint is 2DP while Stormlance is 3.

 

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

4 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

Simplest solution for small games is to play 1001 points. The units will be exactly the same as you can't buy anything for the extra 1 point. But it will make the game count as Strikeforce and thus give both sides 3DPs. This is the best solution IMHO as it doesn't require house rules or any other adjustments. You just pick a slightly nonstandard sized battle and play rules as written.

You’d have to play on the bigger map though right or are incursion and strike force the same map size?

 

[Indy Techwisp]

44 minutes ago, jaxom said:

Indy wasn’t quite right in the first comment. Spearpoint is 2DP while Stormlance is 3.

 

 

I did write Stormlance is 3dp in the post.

[jaxom]

@Indy Techwisp my apologies, I had a post that seems to have been removed where I talked about your first post. Basically it was agreeing with what you said though I preferred Spearpoint for WS so I personally didn’t consider WS snubbed because Spearpoint was 2DP. 
 

Then I read Jorin’s comment later and completely forgot your original post didn’t mention Spearpoint at all. My knee jerk correction to Spearpoint’s DP cost thus dragged you into. Again, my apologies.

[Blindhamster]

1 hour ago, Evil Eye said:

Gabriel Seth's lament continues to ring true! 

well.. not quite lol, as it applies to marines of any kind. Seth’s flesh tearer tactical squad and entirely legends based army list are just (dark) red ultramarines 

 

p.s. I do see the humour though, it’s why I put the laugh reaction!

Edited June 8 by Blindhamster

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

Simplest solution for small games is to play 1001 points. The units will be exactly the same as you can't buy anything for the extra 1 point. But it will make the game count as Strikeforce and thus give both sides 3DPs. This is the best solution IMHO as it doesn't require house rules or any other adjustments. You just pick a slightly nonstandard sized battle and play rules as written.

They mentioned earlier that incursion is 1000 - 2000, no idea if that stands by the missions.

[Brother Carpenter]

Well just bit the bullet and ordered a box and the current templar add on.

Ere we go ere we go

[phandaal]

2 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Simplest solution for small games is to play 1001 points. The units will be exactly the same as you can't buy anything for the extra 1 point. But it will make the game count as Strikeforce and thus give both sides 3DPs. This is the best solution IMHO as it doesn't require house rules or any other adjustments. You just pick a slightly nonstandard sized battle and play rules as written.

 

Since my brain is as smooth as a fine river pebble (and also I have not read the rules that closely), does adding one more point to take armies over specific points thresholds make a significant difference in 11th edition? Aside from making it technically OK to use that detachment, that is.

[TheArtilleryman]

Box splitters out in force. Current prices for space marine half, less than the price of a combat patrol, are very tempting… but I will resist

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

 

Since my brain is as smooth as a fine river pebble (and also I have not read the rules that closely), does adding one more point to take armies over specific points thresholds make a significant difference in 11th edition? Aside from making it technically OK to use that detachment, that is.

Technically the point sizes are "up to" the usual range, so a 2000 point game can be anywhere from 1001 to 2000.

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

Technically the point sizes are "up to" the usual range, so a 2000 point game can be anywhere from 1001 to 2000.

 

That much I get, but I assumed the issue with asking your opponent to let you use the 3 point detachment is that it would seem too strong for 1k, so 1.001k would probably still have that same reaction even if technically it is a different type of battle. Like I said, I don't know the new rules well enough to know what other things would change if the mission changed to the next tier up though.

[Nephaston]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

 

That much I get, but I assumed the issue with asking your opponent to let you use the 3 point detachment is that it would seem too strong for 1k, so 1.001k would probably still have that same reaction even if technically it is a different type of battle. Like I said, I don't know the new rules well enough to know what other things would change if the mission changed to the next tier up though.

I guess this just boils down to the scenario of; Both players want to play a 1k game but also want to use a 3dp detachment, and instead of just doing that they dance around it within the confines of the rules by playing 2k but both are bringing underpowered lists.

 

Lest they invite the divine wrath of geedubs and the local tryhard.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

On 6/7/2026 at 8:58 PM, Castigator said:

 

I seem to recall the 10th edition rule book being invalid even before we it was released? Then the mission cards in 10th also being wrong if they were ordered outside of the box. It was the reason I never bothered with 10th edition as I don't like using tablets or smart phones when playing a miniatures wargame.
Is 11th going to require downloads to play the game then?

If it is I'll stick to Necromunda....

You can always print the info and put the pages in a folder or binder

[HeadlessCross]

9 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

You’re completely missing the point that LAG, or Sons of Sanguinius or Red Thirst or whatever the name has been over the years has been THE blood angels rule for decades at this point. Strength buff on the charge is as synonymous with Blood Angels as Dante. Now, because it was “powerful” for 1.5 years, it’s taken away from 1000 point games? A version of that rule was in place in 9th when BA were bottom of the win rate charts. Did I stop playing that rule then? No. Because it’s how you play blood angels.

Nothing stops you from doing a melee centered army around one of the different detachments. 

[Mogger351]

6 hours ago, phandaal said:

 

That much I get, but I assumed the issue with asking your opponent to let you use the 3 point detachment is that it would seem too strong for 1k, so 1.001k would probably still have that same reaction even if technically it is a different type of battle. Like I said, I don't know the new rules well enough to know what other things would change if the mission changed to the next tier up though.

 

I haven't see any direct images of the mission pack rules in a language I can read to elaborate, but based on what they said in the streams and various articles + extrapolating from 10th:

 

Strikeforce aka 2k games now starts at 2k, not 1,001. Typically a 1k game has a rule of 2 instead of 3 and a DP limit of 2.

 

So, following the guidelines so far, unless you state beforehand you're playing a strikeforce game which you acknowledge will be 2k+, you're playing incursion if the points are notably lower.

 

Edit: did my homework, all the stuff about mustering armies etc is "in the app", so nobody knows atm.

Edited June 9 by Mogger351

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

4 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Nothing stops you from doing a melee centered army around one of the different detachments. 

You’re continuing to miss the point almost on purpose now

[Blindhamster]

4 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Nothing stops you from doing a melee centered army around one of the different detachments. 

Again, it’s not about “a melee centred army” frankly I run a lot of regular intercessors and in days gone I used to run a lot of tacticals.

 

It’s about having something on paper that says my army have the red thirst - it’s not about the specific effect so much as the affirmation for some of us old timers that we are actually playing a blood angel army.

 

this is precisely why I hated the loss of it as an army rule in the first place 

 

note: I’m well aware that it comes across as silly, but that is how many people’s brains work

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

49 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

It’s about having something on paper that says my army have the red thirst

Exactly this. Otherwise I may as well not be playing a Blood Angels army. I'd rather they nerfed LAG instead of locked it out of 1000 point games. It used to be just plus 1 strength, it's only recently it's become "oppressive", as I've heard some people call it.

[Karhedron]

3 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Strikeforce aka 2k games now starts at 2k, not 1,001. Typically a 1k game has a rule of 2 instead of 3 and a DP limit of 2.

 

If Strikeforce starts at 2K that would be a big change. We often play 1500 points at our club and changing that to an Incursion would feel very odd.

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

It used to be just plus 1 strength, it's only recently it's become "oppressive", as I've heard some people call it.

 

LAG is good and I am not pretending otherwise but it is one of those abilities that scales. It is no stronger at 1000 points than at 2000 points.