New Warhammer 40,000 Edition announced!

[Indy Techwisp]

3 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

No, ever since 10th edition introduced the "one in, one out" rule, we just get 1 Faction ability and 1 Detachment ability. I can see why as it stops crazy ability stacking but it still feels weird to play Blood Angels in non-LAG detachments without Red Thirst. 

 

One thing to note is that it is rumoured that Marines will be loosing OOM in the new codex and getting Doctrines back as the default ability instead (and presumably Gladius being dropped or reworked to do something else). This could pair nicely with Legacy of Grace as +1" Advance and +1" Charge will pair nicely with Advance + Charge in the Assault Doctrine.

 

Tbh if they're dropping OoM from core LSM, I could see the codexes for the divergent chapters hotswapping the Faction rule when you're running divergent units.

 

i.e, if your list contains BA faction units, your faction rule becomes "Gilded Fangs" or whatever, replacing the main LSM one.

Edited June 8 by Indy Techwisp

[Karhedron]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Tbh if they're dropping OoM from core LSM, I could see the codexes for the divergent chapters hotswapping the Faction rule when you're running divergent units.

 

Anything is possible at this point but this seems unlikely. To do that, you would have to make divergent Chapters separate factions which then undermines the case for selling them as supplements rather than full blown codices.

[W.A.Rorie]

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[Indy Techwisp]

I'm interested to see the difference between what we have here and how Xenos will look tomorrow considering how much more restricted their armies are by comparison.

 

Also, did anyone spot the addition of Frame to vehicles in the errata list of the faction pack?

 

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

10 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

Anything is possible at this point but this seems unlikely. To do that, you would have to make divergent Chapters separate factions which then undermines the case for selling them as supplements rather than full blown codices.

They'd get the benefit of not having to reprint datasheets like it was in 8th and earlier. Remember when the repulsor came out and they had to FAQ it that Blood Angels could take it? That's the main benefit of supplement over stand alone marine dexes. I want Red Thirst as a Blood Angel Faction ability haha.

[phandaal]

29 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Yeah but now I have to have these conversations. I'm not a meta chaser, I hardly even win, I just want the red thirst rule because Blood Angels have had that for a long time and to me it's tradition. Now I'm locked out of 1000 point games.

 

Yeah, there is going to be that "ok but are they really just doing it to gain an advantage" thought in the back of their mind. Especially if you win.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

Just now, phandaal said:

Yeah, there is going to be that "ok but are they really just doing it to gain an advantage" thought in the back of their mind. Especially if you win.

Exactly. It feels like I'm seeking permission to do something breaking the rules. 

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Exactly. It feels like I'm seeking permission to do something breaking the rules. 

 

They have essentially made 3dp detachments "Legends" for 1000pt games only.

Which really doesn't mean that much in the grand scheme of things, since GW don't really host comp/official 1000pt games anyway.

 

It doesn't even have the Legends issue that comp minded players avoid them because they're not tourney relevent, since at the 2000pt tourneys GW usually Host LAG will still be there same as it ever was, so getting in practice vs LAG at lower points might prove useful.

[Blindhamster]

31 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Tbh if they're dropping OoM from core LSM, I could see the codexes for the divergent chapters hotswapping the Faction rule when you're running divergent units.

 

i.e, if your list contains BA faction units, your faction rule becomes "Gilded Fangs" or whatever, replacing the main LSM one.

I thought wolves already did this in 10th as well? So there is precedent 

[Karhedron]

5 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

I thought wolves already did this in 10th as well? So there is precedent 

 

No, even Space Wolves still get Oath of Moment as the Faction ability.

[redmapa]

2 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

No, even Space Wolves still get Oath of Moment as the Faction ability.

 

Black Templars are the only chapter that gets its own army rule, we have a set of Vows instead of OoM. I could totally see the other divergent chapters getting a similar treatment this edition.

[Kommisar_K]

39 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Also, did anyone spot the addition of Frame to vehicles in the errata list of the faction pack?

That's the new "measure from the hull" iirc

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Liberator Assault Group is 3DP meaning it cannot be taken in a 1000 point game. Awful. I'm actually upset by that. 

It's one of the strongest detachments in the game. Why should you have that strong a rule in a 1000 point game vs different detachments?

 

You'll survive. 

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Stormlance is 3DP and thus unusable in 1000pt games.

White Scars suffering the Curse of Ravenwing and Wolfcav existing...

I guess it depends on personal opinion. I much prefer Spearpoint Task Force for White Scars and it is 2DP.

[Blindhamster]

11 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

It's one of the strongest detachments in the game. Why should you have that strong a rule in a 1000 point game vs different detachments?

 

You'll survive. 

What you’ll find, is most long term blood angels players care more about the fact it’s the only way to get the red thirst on their army. The red thirst is what makes a blood angel a blood angel, without it you’re just a red ultramarine. Most of us don’t care necessarily about the power per se, just that it gives the army wide red thirst rule out. Honestly I also think LAG will be a LOT worse this edition as the Strats all got worse (battleshock being more significant a rule now)

 

44 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

No, even Space Wolves still get Oath of Moment as the Faction ability.

 

39 minutes ago, redmapa said:

 

Black Templars are the only chapter that gets its own army rule, we have a set of Vows instead of OoM. I could totally see the other divergent chapters getting a similar treatment this edition.

 

ahhhh that’s what it was, I knew one of the divergent chapters did it! 
 

yeah I hope that is what happens honestly.

[Rhavien]

12 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

It's one of the strongest detachments in the game. Why should you have that strong a rule in a 1000 point game vs different detachments?

 

You'll survive. 

Because since two hours ago it was totally fine? See, I never played anything else beside of LAG or Sons of Sanguinus as it was called before we got the Dex. I just didn't care about swapping rules and for me it represents BA exactly how they should be. While I can live with it that I can't bolt on another rule in a 2k match it's frustrating that I have to bother with other rules at 1k.

[Nephaston]

Clearly any Blood Angels in 1000 points games are just having a particularly good mental health day.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

12 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

What you’ll find, is most long term blood angels players care more about the fact it’s the only way to get the red thirst on their army. The red thirst is what makes a blood angel a blood angel, without it you’re just a red ultramarine. Most of us don’t care necessarily about the power per se, just that it gives the army wide red thirst rule out. Honestly I also think LAG will be a LOT worse this edition as the Strats all got worse (battleshock being more significant a rule now)

 

 

 

ahhhh that’s what it was, I knew one of the divergent chapters did it! 
 

yeah I hope that is what happens honestly.

Precisely. I don’t chase meta. I just play blood angels with red thirst and chainswords. I just want normal blood angels rules is that so much to ask for? 

[Mogger351]

6 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Precisely. I don’t chase meta. I just play blood angels with red thirst and chainswords. I just want normal blood angels rules is that so much to ask for? 

Back to bespoke codecies with curated unit lists you go!

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

3 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Back to bespoke codecies with curated unit lists you go!

Black Templars get their own faction ability why can’t blood angels 

[Rhavien]

19 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

Honestly I also think LAG will be a LOT worse this edition as the Strats all got worse (battleshock being more significant a rule now)

Also this. While it rarely mattered in 10th edition if you gave in to the black rage, triggered both effects and shrug off battle shock the turn after it's now a real gamble if you manage to un-battleshock next turn to score, or use a strat again. 

Well, it's 2026 and GW actually changes things. It's not like we are stuck with a crappy white dwarf Dex for years 

[DemonGSides]

No one worth playing against is going to care if you run LAG at 1k... Until you start dominating. And by then you'll want to try something new anyways.

 

It's a non problem. GW isn't going to arrest you and most players I've found are happy to make accomodations.

[HeadlessCross]

19 minutes ago, Rhavien said:

Because since two hours ago it was totally fine? 

It's BEEN one of the strongest detachments in the game, even at smaller point levels. There's basically no reason to run the other detachments for Blood Angels at any point level otherwise (even Angelic Inheritors) unless you really want to try and argue Angelic Host is actually equivalent. 

[Rhavien]

3 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

No one worth playing against is going to care if you run LAG at 1k... Until you start dominating. And by then you'll want to try something new anyways.

 

It's a non problem. GW isn't going to arrest you and most players I've found are happy to make accomodations.

Those are all nice and bold statements from your POV and I'm happy for you to not have a problem with it, but please try to be a bit empathic with the rest of us. 

[DemonGSides]

Just now, Rhavien said:

Those are all nice and bold statements from your POV and I'm happy for you to not have a problem with it, but please try to be a bit empathic with the rest of us. 

 

What empathy does there need to be?  Have you had the discussions already and spoken with your hypothetical opponent?  I have played randomly matched against other people at my store and they're just as approachable as my buddy who I play with once a month.

 

I really don't think it's that big of a deal and it feels like pearl clutching to get upset about this. The DP restrictions are a very obvious bit of balancing to be used for competitive integration to keep that side balanced, but you have always had the ability to play a little cheeky when playing casually, so what's the big deal with this?  Who is playing at 1k points but is also hewing as competitive as possible, when such a point value really only exists in 2v2 tournaments which are a niche of a niche or a niche of how the game is played?  Not many, and you'll know that you're dealing with someone's practice game for such a tourney far before you agree to play against them, regardless of anything else.

 

It's crazy what a simple discord message can do for finding games. Bit weird so many people are against advocating for their own happiness and fun.