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[mecanojavi99]

9 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

All tracked vehicles make sense to return, because even the least among them looks 10-20X better than dumb, flying hover boxes that are a waste of plastic and never should have been introduced to the range in the first place. Yes, there are some people that like them. Yes, there are even more people who will buy them whether they like them or not if it feels like you need one to win. But they are NOWHERE NEAR as universally loved as Marine Tracked tanks, and while GW make plenty of mistakes and miss plenty of opportunities, I have faith that they are not so stupid that they've missed this.

 

If you look at GW's MO, you'll very clearly see a drive to capitalize on nostalgia- the GSC, the Votann, the Zoat, the Ambull, etc. If you think they won't do the same for their poster boys, I have a handful of AWESOME 3d printed models I'll send you if you message me your credit card information. (Note: In case there's any doubt, that was a joke). By redoing the Rhino this edition, GW lays the ground work for another 3-4 editions worth of updates to the poster faction, which would otherwise be running out of things to update Rhino this edition, Predator next edition, Whirlwind in 13th, etc.

 

Heck, I don't even think "Firstborn" are truly "gone" so much as they are being retired in their current form to be brought back later in an upscaled and perhaps reorganized format. Alternatively, GW may also use the "Firstborn away time" to blend classic design cues into the sculpts of new Primaris kits and a rules revision that allows Intercessors to field a special and a heavy in order to fill the niche left by the retreat of the pure "Firstborn."

 

I haven't built my Immolator yet, so I'm not sure how different the Sisters' Rhino (Deimos pattern or whatever) is from the standard Space Marine Rhino, but if there are significant differences, the "new" Marine Rhino may just be the Sisters' Rhino without the Ecclesiarchy upgrade sprue in a Space Marine box. It's worth mentioning, of course, that all three tanks available to Sisters are Rhino Chasis vehicles, so if the chasis components don't differ radically from the Marine kit, they'll be updating the entire suite of Sisters vehicles too. 

 

Assuming I have any disposable income over the next few months, I might hedge my bets a little and shore up some of the holes in my collection, just in case I do lose the opportunity.

Brother, I don't want to sound harsh, but I believe you are coping a wee bit.

 

People has been saying for many years now that any moment now GW were going to do a 180 and go back to the pre Primaris times, so far it has been the contrary minus recent nods here and there, but overall the course remains the same.

 

I know it's difficult to see something you've invested time and effort into change drastically, but it's better to acknowledge it and move on than keep a fools hope in case a miracle happens.

[DeadFingers]

1 minute ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

I do wonder where this leaves Chaos? They should have access to tanks. Playing Chaos Space Marines shouldn't mean being forced to only have Daemon Engines. If anything they should have more tracked vehicles to differentiate from the silly Grav vehicles of Cawl. 

One way or another, they're not going to leave what now amounts to five armies without their only transports.

[ThePenitentOne]

5 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

Brother, I don't want to sound harsh, but I believe you are coping a wee bit.

 

People has been saying for many years now that any moment now GW were going to do a 180 and go back to the pre Primaris times, so far it has been the contrary minus recent nods here and there, but overall the course remains the same.

 

I know it's difficult to see something you've invested time and effort into change drastically, but it's better to acknowledge it and move on than keep a fools hope in case a miracle happens.

 

It actually doesn't matter to me personally one way or the other, as I like Tacticus, Gravis and Phobos armour, and the only marines I ever play are Deathwatch and Greyknights. DW allows me to mix options in Primaris units- I have to take 5 regular bolt throwing Intercessors in a Fortis team, but the other five can be made up of Plasma, Flamer or Assault dudes. In Gravis, I need five Heavy Intercessors, but the remainder can be a combination of Aggressors and Eradicators.

 

GW has already announced that the new Primaris Marines will have design cues from Firstborn; it's true that the only example we've seen so far was mostly just a headswap, but the other models might have more Firstborn bits- we'll see on Friday I guess.

 

I'm mostly just trying to assuage the fears of the die-hard first born fans.

[Rhavien]

Oh GW. Why, oh why you are doing this to your player base. We had grim times with Kirby back then, but they improved and their sales and stock went through the roof. It seems they again need a phase of connecting back to their players. 

I also can't understand why you guys are only arguing which model really deserves to be cut like little children instead of throwing a tantrum against GW like it's HH3.0. 

 

[mecanojavi99]

14 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

 

It actually doesn't matter to me personally one way or the other, as I like Tacticus, Gravis and Phobos armour, and the only marines I ever play are Deathwatch and Greyknights. DW allows me to mix options in Primaris units- I have to take 5 regular bolt throwing Intercessors in a Fortis team, but the other five can be made up of Plasma, Flamer or Assault dudes. In Gravis, I need five Heavy Intercessors, but the remainder can be a combination of Aggressors and Eradicators.

 

GW has already announced that the new Primaris Marines will have design cues from Firstborn; it's true that the only example we've seen so far was mostly just a headswap, but the other models might have more Firstborn bits- we'll see on Friday I guess.

 

I'm mostly just trying to assuage the fears of the die-hard first born fans.

I mean, the thing is that there's isn't much to support people keeping hope that GW isn't getting rid of the Firstborn range for good, mind you I don't have skin in the game either but it seems pretty clear to me that GW isn't going to do a 180 any time soon.

Edited April 27 by mecanojavi99

[Indy Techwisp]

If people can take a moment to stop blaming all the world's sins on the hovertanks your army still has for a second and spare a thought for CSM, TSons, WE and DG who are now losing (nearly) all of their armour support due to this.

 

As usual DG get hit less because they're still riding on launch wave privilege, but this is a huge blow to chaos being able to function as an army.

 

And don't say the Daemon Engines make up for it because they don't. Most of them clash with the aesthetics of the Cult Marine armies and only the Defiler has anything even close to the level of stuff a Predator could bring to the table (and there's no way in hell Defilers can fill that role considering their base size and points cost).

[mecanojavi99]

4 minutes ago, Rhavien said:

Oh GW. Why, oh why you are doing this to your player base. We had grim times with Kirby back then, but they improved and their sales and stock went through the roof. It seems they again need a phase of connecting back to their players. 

I also can't understand why you guys are only arguing which model really deserves to be cut like little children instead of throwing a tantrum against GW like it's HH3.0. 

 

GWs stocks are currently trough the roof and have been getting higher for years now, don't confuse personal distaste for something with it being unpopular, from a purely economic POW, Primaris were a resounding success.

[Karhedron]

7 minutes ago, Rhavien said:

I also can't understand why you guys are only arguing which model really deserves to be cut like little children instead of throwing a tantrum against GW like it's HH3.0. 

 

Not playing HH I miss the reference slightly. I think that part of the reason for the muted response is that the writing has been on the wall for a while and this is not coming as a surprise. Since the start of 10th edition it has been clear that GW intended to cull the remaining Firstborn units. We all expected Tacticals, Devastators and VanVets to be either removed or replaced. The only question was around what would happen with vehicles.

 

I painted up my most recent Firstborn tank less than a year ago so this is a disappointment but not an unexpected one.

 

[mecanojavi99]

1 minute ago, Indy Techwisp said:

If people can take a moment to stop blaming all the world's sins on the hovertanks your army still has for a second and spare a thought for CSM, TSons, WE and DG who are now losing (nearly) all of their armour support due to this.

 

As usual DG get hit less because they're still riding on launch wave privilege, but this is a huge blow to chaos being able to function as an army.

 

And don't say the Daemon Engines make up for it because they don't. Most of them clash with the aesthetics of the Cult Marine armies and only the Defiler has anything even close to the level of stuff a Predator could bring to the table (and there's no way in hell Defilers can fill that role considering their base size and points cost).

I'm a firm advocate that CSM and the MonoGod legions should move away from most of their motor pool being "loyalist vehicle with spikes" and instead have bespoke vehicles for each of them, so I'm hoping that's something good that will come from this.

[Robbienw]

No one has ever said GW is going to do a 180 and repeal the last 9 years of 40K models 

 

What people have said is GW will eventually do a classic version of 40k, or bring back 40k firstborn in a Scouring expansion for HH.  Which rumours indicate is happening in the near future.

 

GW habitually returns to classic designs, new and variant versions of old designs is what they do.

Edited April 27 by Robbienw

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, Karhedron said:

Not playing HH I miss the reference slightly.

 

IMO the HH designs for a lot of Marine vehicles don't look anywhere near as nice as the ones we have now.

 

My dream outcome for this is that Chaos do retain the Predator/Vindicator units but as a Chaos specific kit with more chaos bits and pieces to sell the whole "we're still using old ass vehicles" thing.

But I recognise that is very unlikely and GW will instead shove more ugly as sin flesh abominations down our throats regardless of faction identity.

[Indy Techwisp]

3 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

I'm a firm advocate that CSM and the MonoGod legions should move away from most of their motor pool being "loyalist vehicle with spikes" and instead have bespoke vehicles for each of them, so I'm hoping that's something good that will come from this.

 

OK.

What bespoke vehicles?

 

We used to have bespoke dreads and they all got replaced by the fleshy disappointment that is the Helbrute which doesn't seem to be going yet.

 

But actual vehicle wise, we can look to DG who do have some unique vehicles and oh look they're all Daemon engines -_-.

 

So trading actual vehicles, which fit thematically, work and are practical for generic ugly looking Flesh blobs with random armour panels slapped on (seriously if you paint the DG unique vehicles in Black Legion colours you could pass them off as a new CSM Daemon engine leak quite easily).

[Kommisar_K]

Ye gods. Join me in praying to the Emperor that we don't permanently lose our rhino-based tanks. 

 

I'm cautiously optimistic, as between battlefield role, popularity of tracked vehicles, and the possibility of the rhino itself being refreshed, we should be able to expect replacements. But man, this hits hard. Especially for CSM, as some have mentioned. Not just ruleswise, the models themselves have defined SM & CSM armor for while. Whether you like them or not, Gladiators and Repulsors simply cannot compete. Here's hoping either the rumor is false, or that a good quick refresh is coming. 

[TempestBlade]

So this will get a lot of hate but just stick with me and throw your rocks at me at the end. 
 

I’m glad the firstborn stuff is going away. They should have done it earlier. <ducks behind cover>
 

<slowly comes out of cover>

Now I know that is a hot take that a lot of people won’t agree with but I think getting rid of the firstborn stuff will help the space marine range. First off, most people alway complain about how much bloat there is in space marines. Too many units and too many datasheets. This will help both of the cases. Cut a good 5-10 datasheets out and unify the range. Which brings me to point two:

 

This will allow space marines and chaos space marines to be separate identities. Space marines will be the new Primaris stuff and CSM will be the old firstborn stuff (plus demons). I hear a lot of the time that CSM is just SM with spikes. This will allow them more chance to give both ranges their own identities. 
I realize that people will be mad that their models that have loved for a long time are going away and I do feel for them for that but this happens in all games. I think of this way: when StarCraft 2 came out I wasn’t mad that I bought StarCraft 1 and spend way too many hours in it. I wasn’t mad that the company made another game and signaled that they would stop updating the old game. I enjoyed my time with SC 1. Just my 2 cents. 

[mecanojavi99]

15 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

OK.

What bespoke vehicles?

 

We used to have bespoke dreads and they all got replaced by the fleshy disappointment that is the Helbrute which doesn't seem to be going yet.

 

But actual vehicle wise, we can look to DG who do have some unique vehicles and oh look they're all Daemon engines -_-.

 

So trading actual vehicles, which fit thematically, work and are practical for generic ugly looking Flesh blobs with random armour panels slapped on (seriously if you paint the DG unique vehicles in Black Legion colours you could pass them off as a new CSM Daemon engine leak quite easily).

Leaning on Daemon Engines seems inevitable when it comes to Chaos but I agree that it shouldn't be their only thing.

 

As for what would I want? Bespoke MBT for one, like a Predator armed with sonic weapons for EC or a Warplamer armed tank for EC.

 

I'm no model designer but even I know that there's stuff can do vehicles wise that would feel right with the theme of CSM and the MonoGod Legions.

Edited April 27 by mecanojavi99

[mecanojavi99]

1 minute ago, TempestBlade said:

So this will get a lot of hate but just stick with me and throw your rocks at me at the end. 
 

I’m glad the firstborn stuff is going away. They should have done it earlier. <ducks behind cover>
 

<slowly comes out of cover>

Now I know that is a hot take that a lot of people won’t agree with but I think getting rid of the firstborn stuff will help the space marine range. First off, most people alway complain about how much bloat there is in space marines. Too many units and too many datasheets. This will help both of the cases. Cut a good 5-10 datasheets out and unify the range. Which brings me to point two:

 

This will allow space marines and chaos space marines to be separate identities. Space marines will be the new Primaris stuff and CSM will be the old firstborn stuff (plus demons). I hear a lot of the time that CSM is just SM with spikes. This will allow them more chance to give both ranges their own identities. 
I realize that people will be mad that their models that have loved for a long time are going away and I do feel for them for that but this happens in all games. I think of this way: when StarCraft 2 came out I wasn’t mad that I bought StarCraft 1 and spend way too many hours in it. I wasn’t mad that the company made another game and signaled that they would stop updating the old game. I enjoyed my time with SC 1. Just my 2 cents. 

While I agree with most of your arguments, at least to me the biggest offender with how GS handled the whole situation is the lack of a clear message.

 

Had they said from the start "Firstborn stuff will be phased out until everything is Primaris" there would have been a lot of rumbling still but at least people would have known for years what would happen and have time to come to terms with it.

[phandaal]

5 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

Not playing HH I miss the reference slightly. I think that part of the reason for the muted response is that the writing has been on the wall for a while and this is not coming as a surprise.

 

I think he is asking why aren't people making a bigger stink about it, similar to how the HH community seems to have wholesale rejected the latest edition.

 

And you are probably right. It may not seem like it to those who are especially sensitive to criticism of the new range and lore, but people have already come to terms with what is happening.

 

I am interested to see what comes of this. GW pulled off a neat move by getting people to re-buy their Space Marine armies. Are they going to bank on people continuing to do that in the modern range, or are they expecting "firstborn" fans to buy upscaled armies for yet another game set between HH and Modern 40k? Or both? Do they expect new customers who lack a sense of nostalgia to buy upscaled Mk7 whenever that gets released?

 

More importantly, when GW brings back these older sculpts some time in the 2030s and makes them look nicer than current Primaris models, do we get to pull an Uno Reverso and insult people who still like their lame old Primaris Marines, like the grognards they are? 

[Orange Knight]

1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said:

As a concept it already does what GW wants. What YOU want as a concept was never the idea. 

 

Where does it say the Legends rules shouldn't be incorporated into the official list building app, and why shouldn't they?

[Mogger351]

8 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

I think he is asking why aren't people making a bigger stink about it, similar to how the HH community seems to have wholesale rejected the latest edition.

 

And you are probably right. It may not seem like it to those who are especially sensitive to criticism of the new range and lore, but people have already come to terms with what is happening.

 

I am interested to see what comes of this. GW pulled off a neat move by getting people to re-buy their Space Marine armies. Are they going to bank on people continuing to do that in the modern range, or are they expecting "firstborn" fans to buy upscaled armies for yet another game set between HH and Modern 40k? Or both? Do they expect new customers who lack a sense of nostalgia to buy upscaled Mk7 whenever that gets released?

 

More importantly, when GW brings back these older sculpts some time in the 2030s and makes them look nicer than current Primaris models, do we get to pull an Uno Reverso and insult people who still like their lame old Primaris Marines, like the grognards they are? 

I'd add that a good chunk of the playerbase are likely now post 8th anyway. I'd wager as a thought experiment that the 20-30 post e-sports generation who had disposable income at covid probably do a lot of financial lifting for GW and have no prinaris issues.

 

In that realm GW can do what they like with firstborn designs in the future but the nostalgia hit as you note won't be there.

[Indy Techwisp]

9 minutes ago, mecanojavi99 said:

While I agree with most of your arguments, at least to me the biggest offender with how GS handled the whole situation is the lack of a clear message.

 

Had they said from the start "Firstborn stuff will be phased out until everything is Primaris" there would have been a lot of rumbling still but at least people would have known for years what would happen and have time to come to terms with it.

 

Firstborn stuff has only lasted this long because every time something Firstborn is updated/replaced or removed the community try and bite GW's head off.

 

They did it when Primaris were first introduced as well, before the actual phasing out began.

 

So don't see it as a negative that it's taken this long to finally complete the replacement, take pride in that the community have forced the process to be as long as it was.

[DemonGSides]

43 minutes ago, Rhavien said:

I also can't understand why you guys are only arguing which model really deserves to be cut like little children instead of throwing a tantrum against GW like it's HH3.0. 

 

The irony of asking for a tantrum while calling others children is hilarious.

 

11 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

I think he is asking why aren't people making a bigger stink about it, similar to how the HH community seems to have wholesale rejected the latest edition.

 

And you are probably right. It may not seem like it to those who are especially sensitive to criticism of the new range and lore, but people have already come to terms with what is happening.

 

I am interested to see what comes of this. GW pulled off a neat move by getting people to re-buy their Space Marine armies.

 

I honestly don't think many people completely re-bought their collection over the past 10 years;  I replaced the tactical with Intercessors but they threw them at us for that first 5 years constantly so having 20 of them isn't hard, I replaced the SG with the new wave and that was more of a hybridization between the two kits, and I replaced the DC (Which was the only truly painful replacement, as it's just a way less good bit of business going about making DC now, but I made a good showing of it at least and kept them suitably resplendent in their walking coffins).  Otherwise everything else I bought was a new piece of kit for the army, and most of the even older players I've played with just now have two armies; an old firstborn mostly one, and a new one that might have a few things that they proxy with their older Firstborn models (Such as intercessors just being the old tactical squad).

 

The new stuff is to finally get those other people who never upgraded into being tempted into the new stuff; if you liked the Primaris stuff, why would you care about older armor marks?  The current stuff is what's actually aimed at getting people to re-buy their army; the past 10 years of whining about it was just pre-loaded complaining.

[AenarIT]

2 hours ago, Cactus said:

Not "threw away", just "not scheduled for an imminent release". 

 

Assuming GW intend to refresh the predator, razorback, whirlwind etc. for 40k I don't expect them to release all the rhino+ kits at once. Or even all in one 3-year cycle. In the interim, while those new kits haven't even been announced, the rules go away.

I do think they will release new models for predator, razorback, whirlwind & co in due time, mostly because they realized old concepts still work well and new original ones are hit and miss. 
But if it takes years it's also because, once they release a new rhino base, it would take 5 minutes before multiple 3rd party sculpts/conversion kits to make the aforementioned vehicles from the new rhino chassis get released. So they invalidate the rules until then, hoping that would take away the demand of conversion kits (which would reduce the demand of official kits once they eventually come out).

[phandaal]

13 minutes ago, AenarIT said:

I do think they will release new models for predator, razorback, whirlwind & co in due time, mostly because they realized old concepts still work well and new original ones are hit and miss. 
But if it takes years it's also because, once they release a new rhino base, it would take 5 minutes before multiple 3rd party sculpts/conversion kits to make the aforementioned vehicles from the new rhino chassis get released. So they invalidate the rules until then, hoping that would take away the demand of conversion kits (which would reduce the demand of official kits once they eventually come out).

 

It would take less than 5 minutes, because perfect detail, GW-compatible prints already exist for every single Space Marine vehicle. Including Primaris vehicles. (Especially Primaris vehicles, actually.)

 

It is unlikely that this plays a role in GW's decisions. When GW wants to get rid of 3rd party stuff, they just casually bop the Lawfare button and fire off few thousand C&Ds, using a microscopic portion of the cash they get by selling people their 101st Primaris Lieutenant. I do not believe their decisionmakers think about it much further than that.

[Jukkiz]

I truly already miss our old boxies, be it dreadnoughts or any rhino based vehicles and will try my best to find more to paint and convert. 

Deathwatch with primaris feels iffy and every faction now seemingly having their looks be more rounded reminds me of nothing but eldars... Sad days these. 

[Mogger351]

4 minutes ago, Jukkiz said:

I truly already miss our old boxies, be it dreadnoughts or any rhino based vehicles and will try my best to find more to paint and convert. 

Deathwatch with primaris feels iffy and every faction now seemingly having their looks be more rounded reminds me of nothing but eldars... Sad days these. 

I think thats the first consumer owned stalker I've ever seen.