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[Crimson Longinus]

9 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I'm still divided on how much of it is actual attack bike love and how much is simply old=better.

 

Yeah. A lot of this forum seems to love horrible old models and reflexively hate anything new and improved. Granted, whilst ATV was conceptually an improvement over an attack bike, it was one of the weaker primaris releases. 

[Evil Eye]

1 minute ago, Mogger351 said:

I'm still divided on how much of it is actual attack bike love and how much is simply old=better.

The basic concept of the attack bike- a sidecar on the bike with a gunner and heavy weapon- is perfectly cromulent, certainly no sillier than Astartes using bikes as what are effectively cavalry (which is not me trying to poo-poo on Marines having bikes, as it's awesome and it fits the setting perfectly, regardless- or even because- of its inherent ludicrousness from a "real world feasibility" standpoint). In fact I'd argue it's considerably less silly since it at least functions as a small, high-mobility platform for a heavy weapon. You could make the argument the old model looked a bit goofy, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but A: that's mostly down to the crew proportions rather than any inherent problem with the design concept itself, B: would have been easily fixed with a simple updated kit rather than a complete redesign, and C: the ATV, despite having better proportions on the crew, looks so, so much worse. The irony is it really didn't have to look that bad, but it really does look more like a weaponized go-kart rather than the scout car/rapid attack vehicle it's supposed to be. Especially with having absolutely zero ground clearance...maybe it DID have a bottom plate at one point but it got torn off by a bump in the road?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the rumoured MPK Outriders come with the parts to assemble one as an attack bike, which, y'know, I'd be fine with. I'm not madly keen on the Outrider bike design itself (even compared to the last-gen bike it is unsteerable) but it's not hideously offensive to look at, and it can't possibly be worse than the Invader.

[Nephaston]

5 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

(even compared to the last-gen bike it is unsteerable)

 

While the current outrider kit does not show it at all, the chaplain variant shows of a little bit of steering. Still gonna be a huge turning radius but there is some steering.

[Crimson Longinus]

On 4/23/2026 at 2:11 AM, Evil Eye said:

On the contrary; your last hope of not getting people complaining about the loss of real Marines for their oversized Poochie replacements was actual upscaled Mk.7. If this is true and real Marines are actually going the way of the dodo, you will have to endure the (justified) grumbling about the engakkification of Space Marines, forever.

 

Bah, Mk 7! That's newbie stuff! Real marines wear beakie armour! Speaking of which, I have been building some assault intecessors out of blood claws, and giving them mk6 helmets and studded shoulder pads. The beakie helmet works really well with the lower gorget.

 

 

 

[phandaal]

33 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I'm still divided on how much of it is actual attack bike love and how much is simply old=better.

 

Not sure where "attack bike love" comes from with regards to this thread, aside from Orange Knight's usual bewilderment over people having different opinions. I do see people saying the bike design is fine for a variety of reasons, but that falls far short of "love."

 

It is probably more due to appreciation in comparison to the go-kart ATV. I am neutral on the attack bike myself. Not my favorite model, but fine enough and fast sidecar gun is neat. Put it next to the ATV, though, and it definitely gets a glow-up. Seems to be the general reaction.

 

12 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

Bah, Mk 7! That's newbie stuff! Real marines wear beakie armour! Speaking of which, I have been building some assault intecessors out of blood claws, and giving them mk6 helmets and studded shoulder pads. The beakie helmet works really well with the lower gorget.

 

I converted some Ravenwing Black Knights by cutting away the gorget on Outriders and it really does work great. And the helmet style fits just fine with the remainder being Mk X.

[MoriyaSchism]

37 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

Yeah. A lot of this forum seems to love horrible old models and reflexively hate anything new and improved.

Ah yes, the new and improved Suppressors, Inceptors, Aggressors, 3 man Sanguinary Guard and so on. It truly was reflexive hate when I turned the Gravis captain I got in the Dark Imperium box and noticed that he looks as if he's suffering from excess fluid in his abdomen, the oversized Gravis power pack and the fact he was missing his backside. This isn't really about liking "horrible old models", it's a matter of design really. For example in terms of art and design I will prefer the Tactical Squad and older designs over the Intercessors and Mark X. They are fine models in terms of quality most of the time, but I dislike their completely uniform appearance. Massed Imperial Guard infantry have more personalization options per model than the premier infantry kit for the flagship faction. A lot of Primaris design was questionable, like releasing an Apothecary model without a narthecium. It took until the Blood Angels release to fix that. 

 

I forgot to mention the Storm Speeder and how it's an unsightly brick the size of a Rhino that replaced the equivalent of a flying scout car or light weapons platform. Talk about new and improved. 

Edited April 24 by MoriyaSchism

[NovemberIX]

I'm rather partial to Attack bikes, but if they made the ATV a little less mario-kart and a little more sport-quad then I'd be down with that too. I'm not one to talk though, all of my attack bikes are still being painted. 

[brother_b]

Opinion on current or past models doesn’t matter if the person likes or dislikes them.

 

Some describe old models as horrible others love them. At the end of the day it’s personal preference.

 

I’m more bummed at the loss of relatively recent models. This is a GW thing though it shouldn’t surprise.

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, brother_b said:

I’m more bummed at the loss of relatively recent models. This is a GW thing though it shouldn’t surprise.

 

Yeah, I'm wondering now what precedent there is for other Space Marine kits that got removed after a short amount of time (Horus Heresy notwithstanding).

 

I cannot think of any other units that were added and then removed within a similar time span as Suppressors, ATV, and the turret. Seems like most things stick around even if they are not universally appreciated. Centurions, for example.

 

Or maybe we are in for the plot twist of the century - GW is actually just doing the same thing as they did with Yarrick, and the minis are only going away for a little while because their kits are getting a refresh?? 

[Laurence]

The sidecar attack bike is unique in 40k.  The ATV is just copying what the Orks have already done.  Better.

[Interrogator Stobz]

15 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

This topic has opened my eyes to the secret world of Attack Bike lovers 

I have Seven of the fantastic little brrmm brrmms.

They're gorgeous wee Pew Pew delivery systems. 

Are they better or worse then the new stuff? That is purely a case by case, person by person subjective opinion. 

But I still love them. 

Edited April 25 by Interrogator Stobz

[Antarius]

I always liked the attack bike. That doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate new models or that my like/dislike for models are based on their age. Frankly that seems like a weird path to go down.

[irlLordy]

I wonder if they do an attack bike equivalent, will it just be a single marine? After all, if a random GSC goon can fire a heavy weapon on a wolfquad, a space marine should be able to as well.

[Laurence]

17 minutes ago, irlLordy said:

I wonder if they do an attack bike equivalent, will it just be a single marine? After all, if a random GSC goon can fire a heavy weapon on a wolfquad, a space marine should be able to as well.

A servitor driving while a marine rides shotgun could be interesting.

[Evil Eye]

15 hours ago, Nephaston said:

 

While the current outrider kit does not show it at all, the chaplain variant shows of a little bit of steering. Still gonna be a huge turning radius but there is some steering.

"Thank goodness I have my Sacred Tome of Outrider Bike Operation chained up here! Now, let me consult Chapter VIXIII: Sacred Rites of Navigating Sharp Bends on Narrow Country Roads! Hmmm, let's see...Invoke the Prayer "Omnissiah, I beseech thee, allow me to navigate this corner without a ninety-three-point-turn, I am begging thee, the rest of my battle brothers are behind me and are giving me dirty looks", put gearbox into low and- CONFOUND YOU, GREENSKIN, I AM TRYING TO READ MY INSTRUCTIONAL TOME HERE! Stop shooting at me!"
"Oh. Zoggit, sorry 'bout dat! Didn't reelize yer wuz 'avin' a diffikult time wiv yer bike! Do you...need a sekund?"
"Appreciated, filthy xenos, though what I need is a more practical conveyance. At this point a unicycle would do...and be more dignified..."

 

(Jokes aside that is one of the better Primaris models, even if the skull helmet really needed proper teeth instead of the Reiver style mouth.)

[Beef]

I just painted up 2 ATV to attach to my 2 x 3 bike squads.  I personally have been playing since 2nd edition but i feel the newer models for the main part look better.  (even better with some marks of old armour and helmets like the BC and GH) however i was never a great fan of the old attack bikes. maybe because the ones i owned were metal. 

 

I am also not a fan of the Storm raiders or whatever they are called.  

 

However my biggest gripe with the new models are the bloated Gravis captains and gravis armour in general.  The tubes going from the back of the legs to the thighs is ridiculous.  Makes no sense to me so i cut it off on the few gravis models i have.  I also dont like the helmets they have but thats my opinion.  

[Robbienw]

4 hours ago, Beef said:

 

However my biggest gripe with the new models are the bloated Gravis captains and gravis armour in general.  The tubes going from the back of the legs to the thighs is ridiculous.  Makes no sense to me so i cut it off on the few gravis models i have.  I also dont like the helmets they have but thats my opinion.  

Gravis is comical, platform heels, extra plates on your extra plates, lets make the really long rifle a bit longer, turn the gorget into a bullet trap hood etc

 

 

Edited April 25 by Robbienw

[Karhedron]

I may be in the minority but I quite like Gravis. The 8th edition ones weren't great but the Eradicators and Heavy Intercessors look good to me. I like the helmets as they look like a cross between MkX and Terminator helmets.

[Orange Knight]

Gravis is awesome and the models look brilliant.

The Eradicators and Heavy Intercessors in particular, and that's not a hot take or anything people should apologise for.

 

At the start of 8th, when it looked like Aggressors might be a replacement for Terminators, the Primaris derrangement set in for some, and they still hold a grudge against the models to this day.

 

It's worth pointing out that Primaris units offer more flexibility than ever before when it comes to army building. You can entirely ignore Gravis models and still have a fully rounded army with infantry and vehicles that cover every role, just as you can ignore Phobos. Or you can go entirely the other way and run Gravis only units and still have everything from ranged units, to heavy support, to close combat, to jump pack squads, etc.

 

The Marine range is so big that we have the luxury to pick the army we want to use and the look we want to go for. I have a vast Marine collection, and other large armies. I don't feel compelled to buy every model or run every unit, and I just move on from what doesn't interest or appeal to me.

 

Edited April 25 by Orange Knight

[NovemberIX]

6 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

At the start of 8th, when it looked like Aggressors might be a replacement for Terminators, the Primaris derrangement set in for some, and they still hold a grudge against the models to this day.

 

You keep saying stuff like this, but can't it just be that some people don't like the aesthetics of primaris? GW made some big swinging changes and they're all pretty subjective. 

[Orange Knight]

22 minutes ago, NovemberIX said:

 

You keep saying stuff like this, but can't it just be that some people don't like the aesthetics of primaris? GW made some big swinging changes and they're all pretty subjective. 

 

The whole aesthetic? Every single model?

 

I completely understand if a certain type of model isn't to your liking, but I'm supposed to believe they dislike the entire range?

 

Even something like the Bladeguard Vets? They have Crusader style helmets, classic Storm Shields and Swords. Very different look from Aggressors.

 

General Tacticus models are perfectly fine and extremely easy to modify if you miss certain classical flares. It goes back to my point about having the luxury to be able to ignore multiple units without limiting the reach of your army.

[MoriyaSchism]

28 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

Even something like the Bladeguard Vets? They have Crusader style helmets, classic Storm Shields and Swords. Very different look from Aggressors.

 

General Tacticus models are perfectly fine and extremely easy to modify if you miss certain classical flares. It goes back to my point about having the luxury to be able to ignore multiple units without limiting the reach of your army.

Classic storm shields are debatable. Same with the swords. Some Primaris swords look odd and have thick hilts. Also Tacticus models differ based on box, the difference usually being the style of legs which affects the ease of modifying them. On some it's quite tricky to remove the flared kneepad and requires some reconstruction with putty. You clearly have little experience working with these models beyond just gluing them together out of the box. 
 

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

Gravis is awesome and the models look brilliant.

 

The Marine range is so big that we have the luxury to pick the army we want to use and the look we want to go for. I have a vast Marine collection, and other large armies. I don't feel compelled to buy every model or run every unit, and I just move on from what doesn't interest or appeal to me.

 

Yeah, Aggressor pot bellies look brilliant. It's not a grudge, it's just different aesthetic taste. Ultimately Games Workshop is going to phase out the model kits with parts I prefer using in my conversions and they will be replaced with miniatures that have parts that don't appeal to me or I think are ugly. For example the new Deathwing Terminators. I don't like them at all, I don't like that the Dark Angel Terminator plasma cannon is no longer present in a Terminator box I can easily buy. I hate that it's a rubbish Cawl design that replaced it and that the only way to get it is to buy an overpriced upgrade set that comes with a bunch of stuff I don't have any use for. I usually just convert my own Terminator plasma cannons out of what's currently available (Devastators) but for how long will those things still be available is unknown. I also don't see much comfort in older marks being represented as just different helmets in some kits. It doesn't feel like a proper representation of actual armour marks without the other parts, it just feels like lame fanservice. Some stuff for me is non-negotiable, for example you won't see a single Primaris style power pack or the Mark X crab face helmet on any of the Marines I assemble. 

[Robbienw]

Surely no one seriously thought Gravis was a replacement for Terminators?
 

Terminator armour is a classic design, heavy thick  armour that looks cool.  As opposed to sticking armourplates upon armourplates and stacked heels 

[Orange Knight]

Sounds like you should collect a different faction?

 

I don't particularly like the Eldar aesthetic, so I don't collect the army.

 

I'm not sure what you expect given your position. You dislike the lore, the look, the kits. It's just not the army for you. You'd probably have way more fun collecting something else, unless of course, complaining is what brings you the most joy. That's also a stance people don't want to admit they've taken.

[Robbienw]

I’ve enjoyed and collected the Space Marine faction, plus various sub factions of it, since I got into the hobby in the early 90s old chap.

 

Obviously I’ll express my dislike when the look of the faction turns into something I don’t like.  I’m sure it will turn back to something I like given time.

 

There still a few units and characters to my liking, like terminators, that are fundamental unchanged in look.

 

Obviously I collect other factions, I doubt there is a single collector or player into 40k who sticks solely to one thing.