The Castigators

[Commissar Molotov]

Well, Mordia was written solidly within the confines of Second Edition, when the world was young and 40k so much less sophisticated. I also believe it was hinted there was some sort of supernatural justification for the planet. Either way. It's pretty irrelevant, so I opt to banish Mordia from our future conversations!

 

I can't make a claim to have read Heir of the Empire, either. I might check it out.

 

As for the IA, I'll certainly make some changes to relate that they live on the 'equator' (for lack of a better term).

[Commissar Molotov]

Mhmm, I'm in the midst of re-writing the homeworld section for this article. Disregarding the first paragraph, what are peoples' thoughts on the 'homeworld' section?

[Tyrannicide]

I love the back story on the Losancans, themselves. It really gives you more information, and depth on the dark-siders too. The bit about the small bands of Losancans, travelling to the bright side of the planet, is cool. ;)

 

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[Commissar Molotov]

I'm hoping to expand it furhter, to discuss the Chaplains stopping parties in the scorched deserts as they return, taking the boys in return for food and basic technologies that make their lives marginally easier (without disrupting natural selection too much.) I also want to focus more on why the Losancans choose to take their lives into their own hands and travel into the light side.

 

I'm also hoping to allay Octavulg's concerns about making it seem the Losancans live all across the dark-side.

[Marshal Renatus]

Desperately attempting to avoid the major project I start tomorrow...here's my pitches for Sirius' sword name.

 

1. Resplendent Absolution

2. Atrox Solaris (Terrible Sun)

 

Not sure if they're any good, but at least they're original.

 

Also, could the Losancan's that live on the dark side seek refuge in subterranean cave systems? Just enough tech for lighting and food would be all they'd need. Just a thought.

[Octavulg]

It appeared that millennia ago, an Imperial vessel had crashed onto Losanco.

 

If you wanted to REALLY play up the fanatical elements, they could have migrated intentionally. Mutants'd be the heretics and schismatics.

 

The descendents of those few survivors clung to the barely habitable dark-side, surviving on the last remnants of the failing technology, subjected to the intense cold. Many of the planet's highest peaks were swathed in ice.

 

We've been over my views on this part of it. :ph34r: Rather to death, in my mind.

 

But let's recap: Twilight zone is much more believable than living in other sections - mention it. Living a bit on each is possible, but it should be mentioned that the planet is a long way from the sun. Underground tunnels on the nightside provoke shades of Valhalla (the planet, not the afterlife).

 

Babies showing even the most minor of malformations were hurriedly and quietly killed by their own mothers or families, such was the stigma of giving birth to a mutant offspring.

 

Have you ever read Wyndham's The Chrysalids? All sorts of inspiration for a similar situation, I suspect.

 

If one is found worthy, the Chaplain will approach the warband and take the child to become one of His angels.

 

This sounds like a very slow recruitment method. And one that requires a lot of Chaplains. It's a wonderful idea (which would make a good short story), but I would have reservations about just how many recruits you could get this way.

 

Looks good.

[Tyrannicide]

This sounds like a very slow recruitment method. And one that requires a lot of Chaplains. It's a wonderful idea (which would make a good short story), but I would have reservations about just how many recruits you could get this way.

 

Looks good.

Of course it would, but if you saw the Castigators recruitment methods, and demands for purity, it would explain itself.

[Octavulg]

Of course it would, but if you saw the Castigators recruitment methods, and demands for purity, it would explain itself.

 

It makes sense. I just question whether it would be effective enough (considering the assumedly small size of the planet and the limited number of people who are acceptable recruits, plus the limited numbers who survive training) to even approach keeping up with losses.

 

Of course, I'm rather nitpicky.

[Commissar Molotov]

It appeared that millennia ago, an Imperial vessel had crashed onto Losanco.

 

If you wanted to REALLY play up the fanatical elements, they could have migrated intentionally. Mutants'd be the heretics and schismatics.

 

Maybe we'll never know what happened. Perhaps it was sabotage...

 

The descendents of those few survivors clung to the barely habitable dark-side, surviving on the last remnants of the failing technology, subjected to the intense cold. Many of the planet's highest peaks were swathed in ice.

 

We've been over my views on this part of it. :D Rather to death, in my mind.

 

But let's recap: Twilight zone is much more believable than living in other sections - mention it. Living a bit on each is possible, but it should be mentioned that the planet is a long way from the sun. Underground tunnels on the nightside provoke shades of Valhalla (the planet, not the afterlife).

 

I think it's more the case that my writing provoked a misunderstanding. That just needs re-working so that it's clear the night-side is just as lethal as the dark, and that they live in the twilight zone.

 

 

Babies showing even the most minor of malformations were hurriedly and quietly killed by their own mothers or families, such was the stigma of giving birth to a mutant offspring.

 

Have you ever read Wyndham's The Chrysalids? All sorts of inspiration for a similar situation, I suspect.

 

I hadn't, no. My inspiration there was China, actually - the babies being drowned in the paddy-fields and such. Any baby not deemed 'useful'. Though it's awesome food for thought to imagine a latent psyker manifesting his powers and the Losancans trying to put him down, at great cost.

 

This sounds like a very slow recruitment method. And one that requires a lot of Chaplains. It's a wonderful idea (which would make a good short story), but I would have reservations about just how many recruits you could get this way.

 

I don't believe it requires a lot of Chaplains. I agree with you on the "just how many recruits?" - but that's something I wanted to highlight, to make these running battles between lightsiders and darksiders more regular, to really ferment the hatred between the two.

 

The thing is we have very little evidence regarding how many initiates a Chapter needs. The third edition Codex suggested that in optimal conditions, 17% of neophytes would become Marines. This is one situation where you'd have to have suspension of disbelief. Plus, it's something you could level at nearly every single DIY here on the board, apart from those that suction up recruits from hiveworlds.

 

Thanks for the imput, though, Octavulg. It's certainly helped shape my thoughts. (And it'll help me Octavulg-proof my homeworld.)

[captain Raiun]

The Losancans saw the Castigators' actions and came to see them as terrible angels, ferocious emissaries of a God-Emperor that watches over ceaselessly to ensure they carry out their divine task - the purification of their homeworld.

How? All we know so far is that the Castigators have made their "Sanctuary" on the planets moon. Have they been down to the planet and appeared before the Losancans? This isn't mentioned.

If you wanted the hunting parties to become more regular, perhaps you could mention that the Castigators had made some hunting parties of their own, and shown the Losacans how to do it their way. That way, the Losancans could aspire to become these terrible angels, sending out more and more parties in their attempt to be one of them.

 

Anyway, just some food for thought. Hope it helps

[Commissar Molotov]

Well, it's the 24th of April here, which means that it's been a year since I opened this thread, detailing the latest iteration of the Castigators. So Happy Birthday Castigators!

 

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The Castigators have been quiet for a bit. I've been doing a lot of behind-the-scenes work on a new Castigators website, which I hope to have online as soon as possible. As part of the process of creation, I've been looking at other DIY Chapter websites, including Chaptermaster Graymantle's Guardian Angels, Chaplain Desmodus's Flesh Eaters and Daeothar's Fiery Lions. I'm well aware that such sites can be very... gratuitious, catering to a small clique of people interested in the Chapter in question. What sort of things would you want to see included? I'm hoping to include as much as possible, in an attempt to provide a cohesive resource on these lovable scarlet-clad zealots. But I'd also like to provide things that'd be useful for other DIY Creators. I had begun working on a "designer's notes", which provided some of my viewpoints of Chapter creation and such.

 

I hope to have some previews for you over the weekend. In the meantime, any feedback on that would be certainly appreciated.

 

- Mol.

[krieger haggoroth]

Personally, i'd be interested in "profile" type pages. Outlining each company, special characters, vessels, etc.

[Tyrannicide]

Well seeing not many have replied, I'll go next. First of all Tiberius did an awesome job, on Argentus. It really captures the feel, of a Castigator chaplain.

 

Personally, i'd be interested in "profile" type pages. Outlining each company, special characters, vessels, etc.

Agreed. The website simply needs this 'section'.

 

Cosmetic Appearance:

I think that the 'black thorn bands' should definitely carry over, to the final product, of the site. I think it would make it very visually appealing. The basic layout would look nice, with a side bar, with mini-menus, or something that 'slides' out. What would the basic background color be? I'm guessing a flat scarlet-red? A miniaturized version of the Chaplain drawing, above in your post in grey scale (or in this case a 'black scale') could look amazing and pull the site together, if it was applied to a bottom corner, in the background. It doesn’t have to be that drawing, but some image would look great. Perhaps a version of the chapter symbol?

 

Actual Sections:

I think the website needs a section detailing slightly more on the Losancans and their home world. More on these subjects, would never hurt. Another option or addition would be to include a basic format on the steps of how a Losancan becomes a Castigator Space Marine. Obviously they go through the tedious trials and such, but I would like to somehow go farther in depth, and show a basic marine’s progression from basic recruit/neophyte, to full blown ‘Battle Brother’, and beyond.

[krieger haggoroth]

Going off of what Darth Potato said, i think you should expand the basic IA, giving each section it's own "page" or whatever within. So have a history page, organization, etc. etc.

[Commissar Molotov]

Personally, i'd be interested in "profile" type pages. Outlining each company, special characters, vessels, etc.

 

 

Actual Sections:

I think the website needs a section detailing slightly more on the Losancans and their home world. More on these subjects, would never hurt. Another option or addition would be to include a basic format on the steps of how a Losancan becomes a Castigator Space Marine. Obviously they go through the tedious trials and such, but I would like to somehow go farther in depth, and show a basic marine’s progression from basic recruit/neophyte, to full blown ‘Battle Brother’, and beyond.

 

 

Going off of what Darth Potato said, i think you should expand the basic IA, giving each section it's own "page" or whatever within. So have a history page, organization, etc. etc.

 

 

Those are all good ideas, and they all coincide with things I was planning. I'm hoping to have a separate pages for each of the ordinary sections in an Index Astartes article. Any of you that remember the last site will remember I had something very similar. Though the section which'll be craziest is the Organisation page. I'm hoping to make that pretty cool.

 

My plans also include a timeline/famous campaigns, famous Castigators, allies/enemies - a downloads option for Castigators in the various games (Dawn of War/Teardown's Hulk game...) and an artwork gallery. I've also been considering a Castigator version of the 'Insignium Astartes'.

 

The idea of pages for each Company is something I'm very keen on. To me, a Company of Space Marines is almost like a Chapter within a Chapter. Shaped deeply by its Captain, every Company has garnered its own glories and honours, its own preferences and bitter enemies. So I'm slowly building on it. Something else I was trying to do is to incorporate the politicking that goes on within the Chapter between the more zealous and the more moderate factions of belief. Within a Chapter there are bound to be rivalries and politicking between Companies and Officers. Especially in the Castigators, with the tension between radicals and moderates. I think people can do a lot with things like that without needing to resort to "Chapter Civil War" or the like. Sometimes we seem to approach the Astartes as thousands of perfect clones that think the same and act the same and would all do the same in any given situation. Such difference helps define them as characters within a rich fictional world.

 

I'm hoping to get banners and the like drawn up for each of the Companies.

 

It's a long-term project but it should be immensely rewarding.

[brother varen]

That would be a great start. I would suggest that on each company page you might include sections like:

Company banner

Company army badges and what battle they are related to

Company allies and enemies

Company breakdown of marks of power armour

Company relics

Noted company personalities

List of battles that the company fought in

Company beliefs (zealous or moderate?)

Company trials for new recruits

Company perfered tactics and/or weapons

Company rituals and celebrations

 

Also i agree with darth potato, about the transition from recruit to battle brother. Maybe even detailing the trials that they go through. Maybe the recruit needs to earn each piece of power armour by completing a test (Knowledge, skill, strength, ect.) or enemy. Just ideas.

 

I have been keeping an eye on the Castigators. I am eagerly awaiting the new website.

[Tyrannicide]

Mol!

 

I think that the 'Castigator Insignium Astartes' could turn out to be a very good idea. I have always wanted a couple sections detailing the companies of the chapter. I like your take on the captain's of the Castigators, best. There are moderates and radicals... much, much like the Inquisition. You could really pull this together on the website and create the 'chapter within a chapter' feel, that you are after on the website. As discussed before we have the 'main' radicals (Escalus, Caphius, and Sirius) and the 'main' moderates (Quintillius, Timon, and Anteas). Each captain deserves to have their own fleshed-out profile, which could indeed tie into the company/time-line aspect of the site.

[Chaptermaster Graymantle]

Hey there Molotov!

Glad to see the Castigators moving forward a lot in development and Im really looking forward to seeing their new web site.

 

Given that you already had a look at many other DIY sites, Im sure you've seen that a lot of what your talking about making here are already up for the Guardian Angels, but that a lot of it is in "skeleton" versions only.

Now, to a lot of people it would seem the Guardian Angels have been laying dormant for a loooong time now, but the truth of the matter is that behind the scenes, Ive been working over to two years now on detailing thousands of years of Guardian Angels history.

 

The plan is to use this history to create a more detailed look at each Company, the structure of the Companies, The Characters of the Companies, vehicles, artifacts, places, friends, allies, enemies and a whole lot more.

Now, the reason I chose to start with the history is my idea that each Character is formed by his history, his service and his Company.

A Company is formed by its history and its Characters, it enemies and so on; so what ties it all together and forms it all is history.

Thus Im glad to see you mentioning looking at evolving that step to.

 

Ok, so why have I left the Guardian Angels so dorment and not released any of their history etc. yet?

Well, everything ties together and needs to be developed, streamlined and all lose ends need tying up. - Finally a lot of tidying is needed to keep everything in line with the overall story, so its a lot of work.

 

The reason Im telling you this, is that you should know what your in for.

Maybe you will go as far as I have, maybe further and maybe you will keep it shorter, but what Ive learned from my work is that it is a lot of hard work (especially keeping everything chronologically correct), and the more you work on it, the harder it gets to keep everything in-line, because the more you do, the more you need to keep track of.

You will doubt yourself at times, at other times you will find that everything flows and just fit right together.

You will find at times that what you do is a total waste of time and money, then you will get back into it again.

One thing will flow into another, both forwards and backwards in time and you will see patterns emerging that you had no idea about before.

If you keep working on your Chapter you will find that you learn more and more about them that you didnt know and that they will evolve on their own in many ways. - You just peel away the layers and get a sort of "divine" overview you didnt have before.

Many Chapters have single events shape them, but as you work on your background, you will find how untrue that is.

As you work and start seeing the incredible scope of time the Chapter has been around, the ammount of characters and places, groups and organizations, peace-times, wars and places involved; you find that single events are usually unimportant in the overall view of things. - It is the patterns of repetetive occurances and the long term things that are most influential.

Some singular events do have a true impact on your Chapter´s "Soul", but they are few and far between; and when they do happen, they are truly titanic in some way.

 

Be ready for a lot of hard work; doubts and feelings of that what you do is pointless, but you will also find great reward in the toil you do and the Chapter will show you things and take you places you had no idea about.

Keep it up and as the network of everything comes together, the Chapter will essentially get a life of its own.

- Sometimes you have to reach in and set things right, steer the Chapter towards the right end with "hero" moments, but you will find it getting a life on its own and evolving in ways you never originally imagined.

 

Ah heck. Im rambling!

Anyway. When doubt comes, let it rest for a while, then lower your head and keep going against the storm.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

 

CMG.

[Commissar Molotov]

Well, thanks for the input, CMG.

 

Like you, a lot of my work has been behind the scenes. There's only so much information that you can choke into an IA article, and it's incredibly easy to end up talking to yourself in the Liber. :lol: So I've been working on the Companies already; I have been for the past six months or more. My site going offline was an inconvenience, but in a lot of ways it's actually worked out well for me.

 

You're certainly right about the chronology, and whilst I'll be attempting to detail that, it's not my primary focus. I have a semi-worked up timeline which tells me many of the Castigators' pivotal battles, and details the exploits of many of the Companies, and I'm slowly working on that.

 

If you keep working on your Chapter you will find that you learn more and more about them that you didnt know and that they will evolve on their own in many ways. - You just peel away the layers and get a sort of "divine" overview you didnt have before.

 

That's an interesting way of putting it, and something that I really like. It's certainly my desired 'endpoint', so to speak. I also entirely agree with you about the single event/long-term-trend dichotomy. Of course, I think the greatest danger with DIY Chapters is the feeling of self-indulgence. It's a little egotistical, I suppose... ultimately, I hope that people like the Castigators and find them interesting and worthwhile. Otherwise it does all become a little self-gratuitous.

 

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Darth: The 'Insignium Castigator' is something I'm keen on doing, though I've not got the graphics know-how to do everything I'd like to. Scally has volunteered in the past to help me out, but he's busy with his own projects so it depends on when he's free. A great deal of the work on the Castigators has depended on the extreme generosity of others - something I'm ever grateful for.

 

The parallel between the Castigators and the Inquisition is an interesting one, but I really think it's something that can be applied to all organisations. For example, when Marneus Calgar allowed the entire Ultramarines Chapter to voice their opinions on the adoption of the Tyranid Hunters squads. Even look at Uriel Ventris - his viewpoint on the Codex differs radically to that of Learchus, say. The thing with the Space Marine Chapters is that they tend to promote those that fit in with the 'appropriate mindset'. Idaeus was a bit of a maverick himself, and thus he fostered Uriel. Similarly, that's why most Chapters tend to seem a little homogenous, but there's always room for difference of opinion - even if it's strategic style. A Captain that once served in the Devastators and a Captain that is known for lightning assaults will have differing opinions.

 

 

Varen: Thanks for the input; I'm certainly hoping to include most of that sort of stuff. This summer will be busy!

[NemFX]

Sorry, haven't gotten around to reading this in awhile.. For whatever reason the B&C's emailing updates thing doesnt seem to want to work for me..

 

I think you should definately have a modeling/terrain section for your site. While the stuff you do is not so unique that parts of it haven't been done before, the fact is that you do it in a way that inspires people, so when you get the models all fixed up and ready to show again, you'll probably have people asking anyway.

 

Incidentally, it won't be up for a few days, but I have a fun little army concept I'm going to be putting up soon that might inspire you a little <_<

[Commissar Molotov]

Sorry, haven't gotten around to reading this in awhile.. For whatever reason the B&C's emailing updates thing doesnt seem to want to work for me..

 

I think you should definately have a modeling/terrain section for your site. While the stuff you do is not so unique that parts of it haven't been done before, the fact is that you do it in a way that inspires people, so when you get the models all fixed up and ready to show again, you'll probably have people asking anyway.

 

Incidentally, it won't be up for a few days, but I have a fun little army concept I'm going to be putting up soon that might inspire you a little ;)

 

Crazy to think that anyone would subscribe to this thread. So, thank you - I appreciate it very much. :lol:

 

With regards to modelling the Castigators, Darth Potato recently said '2009 will be the year to be a Castigator' - I'm working on my Fifth Company force. My friend and I are hoping to post up a Castigators blog/paintathon. Cpt-Tiberius hopefully suggested that we should change the name to 'Procrastigators'. :rolleyes: Though with Darth Potato working on a Third Company force, Fifth Edition should herald the arrival of a few friendly scarlet-clad zealots. Alpha PTP sent me a PM recently to let me know he's working on a true-scaled Castigator, though that's been delayed by his work on Chaplain Gallows.

 

As I was saying, I've begun work on my Fifth Company army (under Captain Anteas). It's partly been an exercise in emptying my assorted bitzboxes; I've managed to gather around seventy Marines (with some more still on the sprue). It looks like I might even have enough to very easily collect the entire Fifth Company, with support from the First and Tenth Companies.

 

I'm hoping that I can get the site up as soon as possible, though I'm somewhat strapped for cash at the moment (some I'm eBaying everything within reach at the moment...) and, as such, the site might be delayed for a bit. I've been a little busy with Tiberius's Space Sharks in recent weeks, but I've been working on the Castigators 'behind the scenes'.

 

I know Darth Potato is working on fluff for the Third Company, and he might well post some of his ideas in this thread.

[Tyrannicide]

I decided to provide some of the notes on the third company, that Molotov mentioned.

 

'The Basics'

- The valiant third company of the Castigators Chapter, is lead by the experienced veteran, Captain Sirius. The elder marine has led his company for more than 250 years, longer than Chapter Master Quintillius has been at the helm of the Chapter. He shows leadership qualities that are unmatched, on the field of battle. Sirius' role in the chapter is 'Master of the Arsenal', and as such he has some strenuous tasks, which call for him. It includes keeping up the Chapter's wargear/vehicle issue and maintenance.

 

The Master of the Arsenal has unfettered access to the most ancient and sacred wargear of the Chapter.

 

Captain Sirius's heraldry is that of a blazing star. The sun is of special significance to the Castigators - the people of Losanco Secundus live in darkness and survive by moonlight. To venture to the bright-side and to see the sun is to face death - a transition that all Castigators must make. Sirius displays the blazing power of the sun - it is a fitting analogy for the potent firepower he wields as Master of the Castigators' Arsenal. Sirius is gruff and imposing, by turns stern and ferocious. On the field of battle, he commands and coordinates the various units under his control with great efficiency.

 

- The third company's current Chaplain is a young marine by the name of Argentus. He has been an incomparable asset to the the company's spiritual health as well as an accomplished warrior. He has taken part in many glorious victories since his inception into the company.

 

- Tarandas is the senior Sergeant in the company, he has been so since the Daebilis War took place. He's a good friend of Sirius's and he provides excellent counseling for his Captain. The veteran leads the battle company's first squad from the front of the battle line.

 

- The company has Astartes medical aid from Apothecary Gratus. The marine is a skilled surgeon who has been at the side of Sirius in countless battles. He removes the progenoid glands from the corpses of fallen Battle Brothers, as well as the gene-seed, for future Astartes recruits.

 

- Recent company disposition charts show the ten squads that currently make up the battle company:

• 1st Tactical Squad, Tarandas
  
• 2nd Tactical Squad, Deiad
  
• 3rd Tactical Squad, Solemnas
  
• 4th Tactical Squad, Lucan
  
• 5th Tactical Squad, Barrus
  
• 6th Tactical Squad, Hiberus
  
• 1st Assault Squad, Asprenus
  
• 2nd Assault Squad, Torquatus
  
• 1st Devastator Squad, Asturias
  
• 2nd Devastator Squad, Eclectus
  

 

'Notable Campaigns'

746.M41 - The Hellstar Purge - Sirius leads the Third Company against a Tyranid splinter-fleet in an attempt to exact revenge for the terrible losses sustained by the Ultramarines at Macragge a year earlier. This is one of the first actions, that Sirius partakes in, as acting Captain of the third company.

 

821.M41 - The Daebilis War - Captain Sirius and the Third Company fight alongside the Black Consuls, who are under the leadership of Brother Librarian Alektas. The combined forces defeat the heretics, and quickly restore order to the system.

 

900.M41 - The Garrett Insurrection - The entire Chapter mobilized to fight against a planetary uprising orchestrated by the Word Bearers. The battle lasted a full week, at which point the Third Company assaulted a breach in the enemy lines with Ancient Constantine, Bearer of the Crimson Standard. Constantine was killed during the assault but passed the standard to Rhetoricus, one of his Honor Guardians. The Third Company achieved victory for the Chapter and the Crimson Standard was unfurled atop the Word Bearers’ fortress.

 

993.M41 - Sadizar IX - The Castigators third company was called upon to aid in the extermination of a genestealer cult on the hive world of Sadizar IX. The cult had been discovered by Inquisitor Kyrmlic of the Ordo Xenos. A Tyranid Broodlord had infected the hive. The Castigators set to the task of purging Sadizar IX with zealous abandon. Two squads of First Company Terminators, fully half of the Castigators' complement, also aided the Third Company in the struggle to cleanse the hives of Sadizar IX. The Space Marines fought terrifying battles in cramped tunnels, accessways, vents and ducts.

 

 

 

*Speaking of behind the scenes I'm venturing deep into my first experience in writing, seriously speaking. What will it feature you ask? Stupid question, the Third Company, of course. To say the least though, Tarandas, Argentus, and Sirius.

 

More to follow, I need to work some things out before I post more.

[Commissar Molotov]

Cool to hear some insights on your plans, Darth!

 

Sirius is somewhat of an interesting Captain. He's probably the second oldest behind Caphius (which suddenly makes me realise that Escalus must have done well to be selected as First Captain). You say that one of his first actions was the Hellstar Purge, avenging the Ultramarines. I like that idea, that in his earlier years, Sirius was quite the firebrand, a ferocious hot-blooded zealot, eager to prove his worth. And as such, he led his Company into war to defend the honour of Guilliman. As he's aged, he's mellowed somewhat, but still holds relatively strict, conservative viewpoints. As such, he would likely hold quite a bit of sympathy for the stance of Captain Caphius.

 

One thing I forgot to mention to you was that the Third Company was honoured for their actions in the Garrett Insurrection. I've been trying to decide whether they were awarded the Iron Skull or the Wreath of Thorns - it was an award as a Company, and so it was stitched into their banner.

 

- How did they cope with a Librarian from the Black Consuls? It strikes me they'd be caught between two conflicting impulses - to abhorr the witch, and to honour their gene-fathers. You should add some more detail into what they were doing during this campaign. (That goes for most of them, really - I am intending on having a 'notable campaigns' section on the site.)

 

Tell us more about Krmylic, too!

[Tyrannicide]

I really do like your standpoint on Sirius's beliefs and philosophies. He would strike me as a more radical captain, than a moderate, but he slowly tunes this done and is now more in between the two 'factions'. Astartes are often seen as bland individuals, and I disagree with how they are often portrayed in some of the fluff. They do have feelings, although sometimes they are hidden, deep behind their armored battle plate. I think that giving Space Marines personality above all else, is what makes them unique, not just the genetically enhanced killers approach.

 

Regarding the third company banner. I think that, as cool as a wreath of thorns would be, it might be too much, with the starburst and all already. I think the Iron Skull could tie into the banner, quite professionally. It could be inside the middle of the starburst, shining like a metallic star.

 

I plan to have more on the Black Consuls, and their Librarian, Alektas. I would think all the Castigators would be utterly repulsed to fight next to him. Who knows, would some marines come to blows with one each other over both of the Chapter's different ideals? :lol: I understand it's their father chapter, but the Castigators have some stern and stubborn personas, in the bunch.

 

As for Krymlic. We may just have to keep him undercover, for now. :huh:

[Commissar Molotov]

Not quite sure what you mean by 'Radical' in this sense - whilst the Inquisition can use 'Radical', for the Castigators it conjures up the sort of imagery I'd be keen to leave to those mutated scum in the lesser Chapters. ;) I tend to use 'Puritan', 'Zealous' or 'Conservative', with Captains like Timon and Anteas being called 'Moderates'. After all, they're not liberal in the slightest, they're just not as hardcore as Captains like Caphius.

 

I'd considered the Iron Skull, too. So shall it be - the Third were awarded the Iron Skull for their actions in thwarting the Word Bearers, and it's been incorporated in their banner, in the heart of Sirius's starburst.

 

With regards to the Librarian, I think you're right; the Castigators would detest working alongside a Librarian. (What is a Librarian doing leading a force, anyway? It suggests that the force was understrength, or split off from the bulk of the Company...? You really need to detail the campaign somewhat.) Yet I think for the sake of Baraquiel, they would do what they could to suppress that revulsion, until it reached breaking point. I'm keen for the Castigators to have relatively cordial relations with the Black Consuls, so I'm not entirely up for the Third Company trampling over the Consuls - not physically, at least.