Commissar Molotov Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 Nice thought. I was going to say that if anyone did that, it'd be Timon, but the thought of Escalus doing it could be good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1591725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fabricator General Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Perhaps I'm biased but i would lean toward Timon 'tutoring' Anteas. Quintilius obviously understands the importance of accepting the astropaths/techmarines of the chapter and would hope that Timons views would reenforce Anteas's already moderate character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 7, 2008 Author Share Posted June 7, 2008 :o  He's alive!  I'm interested in Timon tutoring Anteas, definitely.  (Did you get my PM, Fab?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fabricator General Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 Yes I'm alive. Sorry Mol I didn't get a pm, on that topic shouldn't I have a replie button on my pms? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 7, 2008 Author Share Posted June 7, 2008 Yes I'm alive. Sorry Mol I didn't get a pm, on that topic shouldn't I have a replie button on my pms? Â Click the 'quote' button, and you can reply. Â I'll re-send the PM. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantKaiser Posted June 7, 2008 Share Posted June 7, 2008 The Castigators have a great feel to them, and it is a very well-developed chapter. Tell me, what's your secret, Commissar? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 8, 2008 Author Share Posted June 8, 2008 The Castigators have a great feel to them, and it is a very well-developed chapter. Tell me, what's your secret, Commissar? Â Haha, I wouldn't say I necessarily have a 'secret'. It's just a lot of effort and a lot of enthusiasm. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyrantKaiser Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Yeah, yeah, that's what they all say. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother varen Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 commissar, in your new website are you going to link in the 2 successor chapters ( the Redemptors and the Contemptors)? Have you made IAs on these chapters? Â Is anyone modeling any of the Castigator battle companies? Any pics? Â I like the idea of Captain Malus being a zealot. Seeking any target to prove himself to the emperor, the bigger the better. He must purge the battlefield of all things "tainted", and what better way then an overpowering field of fire power. :tu: Â Captain Lucien, the 7th tactical reserve, i think should be a moderate. My reasoning would be because the 7th reserve can use land speeders. Land speeders must be tactically planned and persise or many lives would be lost. The Castigators can ill afford that, with their slow replacement. Â Captain Ramus, the 8th tactical reserve, I can see him as being a zealot and a close friend to Captain Caphius. Maybe Captain Caphius took him under his wing to make sure that the old ways never die? What better way to make sure Captain Caphius has the best and furious replacements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Minor correction on behalf of the good Commissar; Ramus is Captain of the 6th Tactical Reserve, Tigris is Captain of the 8th Assault Reserve. Â There are a few people working on Castigator Companies, I believe. They've drawn a lot of attention recently and rightfully so! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 (edited) The Fabricator General: He is the only one to have completed Castigator models. :) You can see some of his models here. Â Commissar Molotov: I believe he is going to start up a thread containing his marines soon. Â And there's me. I'm in the progress of collecting bits for the army. I plan on waiting until the new Space Marine Codex is released, to purchase the main force and start progress. 2009 will be the year of the Castigator. No doubt about that. :) I just started a thread today, though. You can see it here . Â They're are a few others that may be doing Castigator models. I know LunchBox will be creating some sort of Castigator figure, there's some additional info. in the DIY Swap threads going on in the PC&A forum. Â EDIT: I forgot to mention the list of Companies being created, and their owners. Me: 3rd Company Fab Gen: 4th Company Mol: 5th Company Edited June 8, 2008 by Darth Potato Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 8, 2008 Author Share Posted June 8, 2008 commissar, in your new website are you going to link in the 2 successor chapters ( the Redemptors and the Contemptors)? Have you made IAs on these chapters? Is anyone modeling any of the Castigator battle companies? Any pics?  I like the idea of Captain Malus being a zealot. Seeking any target to prove himself to the emperor, the bigger the better. He must purge the battlefield of all things "tainted", and what better way then an overpowering field of fire power. ;)  Captain Lucien, the 7th tactical reserve, i think should be a moderate. My reasoning would be because the 7th reserve can use land speeders. Land speeders must be tactically planned and persise or many lives would be lost. The Castigators can ill afford that, with their slow replacement.  Captain Ramus, the 8th tactical reserve, I can see him as being a zealot and a close friend to Captain Caphius. Maybe Captain Caphius took him under his wing to make sure that the old ways never die? What better way to make sure Captain Caphius has the best and furious replacements.  Yes, there'll be pages. The Redemptors are here; I've always liked them. I have a conversion planned for a Redemptor Captain which I'll try to get online soon enough. As for the Contemptors... well, some among the Castigators would try to tell you that the Contemptors never existed.... :o I have something interesting planned for them on the website, which should be cool.  As has been mentioned, Fabricator-General has painted a force from the Fourth Company, under Captain Timon, which he took to Conflict North (I think?) and apparently lost horribly. :) But that experience was incorporated into the Fourth Company background, with them being the most wide-ranged Company in the Chapter. It was a doubles tournament, and Fab-Gen was paired with a Deathwatch player, I'm told - which has led to Timon interacting with the Ordo Xenos. Of course, since I wrote that fluff, my group's acquired a Tau player, so Anteas and the Fifth are going to have to encounter the Tau Empire soon enough...  Then there's Darth Potato, slowly working on a force from the Third, and myself, working on the Fifth. Funnily enough, there should be some news on the Fifth soon - keep a weather eye on the PC+A around the 16th. :) Plus, Ferrus Manus has expressed interest in modelling a small Eighth Company force, so that'll be interesting. Of course, I know the prime tenet of the modeller's code is to procrastinate and renege, so we'll see. ;)  Your ideas on Ramus and Lucien are interesting indeed. With Ramus being Master of the Rites, I'd similarly considered that he would be quite conservative. He's required to look after the Chapter's extensive traditions, after all. That fourteen-yearly celebration would be part of his dominion, I think. Though with regards to Lucien, I would say that the 'zealots' aren't necessarily 'idiots'. (Caphius isn't exactly the greatest spokesperson for the zealous faction ;)) - it's entirely possible to be a zealot and to be tactically sound, too. I'm keen to avoid narrow thinking when it comes to the Castigators' political landscape. Just like the "Assault = Zealot" stance, the "Zealot = Idiot that rushes forwards and burns things" stance should be avoided at all cost. Though I imagine Lucien might well be moderate - more moderate than Ramus, anyway. Of course, equally, we have to avoid just lumping them into two categories; "zealot" and "moderate" as though they're mutually exclusive. I guess it's possible for a person to slide between the two. Sirius would be one example - having mellowed somewhat in his old age, he's not as rabid as he was in his early years, so will have shifted slightly down the scale.  I like the idea of a relationship between Caphius and Ramus, though. I've said before that Caphius hand-picks the recruits he wants from the four Reserve Companies to ensure that his Company maintains 'appropriate' ideals and ideology. Not for nothing are the Second known as 'the Zealots' by those within the Castigators!  They're are a few others that may be doing Castigator models. I know LunchBox will be creating some sort of Castigator figure, there's some additional info. in the DIY Swap threads going on in the PC&A forum.  Yeah, that's pretty crazy. :o I've got quite a few people painting Castigators, which is cool because on the new site I'm going to have a model gallery that'll include all the Castigators painted by other players and painters. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother varen Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 You have me intrested in the Contemptors now to ;) Â So no one has tried to model the 2nd company? What additional info can you give me on the 2nd company. I know they use alot of flamers. What else do you see for the 2nd company? I am waiting for the 5th edition to come out before begining a new army, as the new space marines look to be bigger than normal. Plus the rumor is that there will be older marks of armour. I believe that you told me once that the castigator marines modifiy their armour as they advance through the ranks. so the 5th edition will help. Until then, it gives me time to do some research. Any info on the 2nd company would be helpful, along with your ideas and how you see them. How is every one making the chapter symbol? Is the color used by the Fabricator General, right to you for the Castigators? Â When a Castigator marine earns the right as a battle brother, what mark of armour are they given? If that marines shows promise is he given a different mark of armour? What other wargear relics do the 2nd company have? Any other special characters or Dreadnoughts? Any history on the 2nd company will help with modeling ideas. (enemies they have fought) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1592950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 As far as Malus goes, I am working with Mol to flesh him out more. Whether he will be a Zealot or not is still up in the air at this point, but it seems the more likely. Â As far as modeling goes I am going to throw my hat in the ring and commit to Modeling Cpt. Malus (and maybe a command squad for him). :) Â -T. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1593112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 8, 2008 Author Share Posted June 8, 2008 So no one has tried to model the 2nd company? What additional info can you give me on the 2nd company. I know they use alot of flamers. What else do you see for the 2nd company? I am waiting for the 5th edition to come out before begining a new army, as the new space marines look to be bigger than normal. Plus the rumor is that there will be older marks of armour. I believe that you told me once that the castigator marines modifiy their armour as they advance through the ranks. so the 5th edition will help. Until then, it gives me time to do some research. Any info on the 2nd company would be helpful, along with your ideas and how you see them. How is every one making the chapter symbol? Is the color used by the Fabricator General, right to you for the Castigators? When a Castigator marine earns the right as a battle brother, what mark of armour are they given? If that marines shows promise is he given a different mark of armour? What other wargear relics do the 2nd company have? Any other special characters or Dreadnoughts? Any history on the 2nd company will help with modeling ideas. (enemies they have fought)  One would think if you were trying to do a Second Company army, you'd ask first. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1593169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 One would think if you were trying to do a Second Company army, you'd ask first. -_- Why did you release the Castigators IA to the public in the first place Mol? ;) ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1593342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToyShip Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 oooh dont forget, ther will be a squad or two in the Honor Company, whic i am slowly begining.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1593390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) This post includes my thoughts on the Castigators Captain’s duties, to maintain a sort of homeostasis within the Chapter. I’m using the Chapter’s current list of Captains as an example to make this a bit more comparable.  Second Company Captain: Caphius would have the strenuous tasks of protecting the Chapter’s fortress monastery, the Sanctuary. When the Second Company is not battle-active the Marines would defend the Castigators keep, and would do this with unerring discipline, that the Second is famed for.  Third Company Captain: Sirius’s duty as the Chapter’s Master of the Arsenal would include maintenance checks and the preservation of the Castigators wargear and vehicle distribution. Sirius has access to any relic item or for that matter any piece of wargear in the Chapter.  Fourth Company Captain: Timon is the Master of the Fleet in the Chapter. He would survey all the ships actions and involvements, and sustain the dispense of all the Castigators fleet. He has nominal command over the ships, but has some restrictions. One such episode, could be if there was a higher ranking officer. An example would include if Caphius or Escalus showed up in the mix, during a campaign. One could easily claim they have command of the ships involved, over Timon‘s word.  Fifth Company Captain: Anteas is the Master of Marches. I honestly haven’t a clue of what his tasks would include.  Sixth Company Captain: Ramus, the Castigators Master of Rites. His assignment would encompass the duties of preserving the Chapter’s traditions and they’re history. He would know a considerable amount of data, including the Chapter’s background, previous battles fought, past Captain’s history, etc. Certainly an extremely intelligent Marine, to earn such a place in the Chapter. Ramus could further, possibly be linked to the Chapter’s librarium.  Seventh Company Captain: Lucien is the Chief Victualler in the Castigators Chapter. He definitely has an interesting job, to say the least. He would upkeep the Chapter’s provisions and this could range from many things. Molotov mentioned it could be from collecting food for the Chapter’s serfs to fuel and ammunition for the Castigators.  Tenth Company Captain: Venatus a grizzled veteran of the Chapter, is the Master of Recruits. His chores consist of mainly overseeing the Castigators recruitment, and finding young healthy initiates for the Chapter. Venatus would also have another responsibility though. He could coordinate with the other Captains and the Chapter Master of the mutual distribution of the scouts, to all the campaigns and battles the Chapter‘s involved in, that call for reconnaissance help. Edited June 9, 2008 by Darth Potato Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1593415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Tiberius Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (Commissar Molotov @ Jun 8 2008, 08:12 PM) One would think if you were trying to do a Second Company army, you'd ask first. Why did you release the Castigators IA to the public in the first place Mol? Â Well they ARE his creation afterall. I mean if someone wanted to to make an army of one of your chapters, wouldn't you want them to ask first? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1593434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother varen Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 my apologies Commissar, I guess i did forget that. Was in a rush, life was calling. I would like to ask permission Commissar, if life can be given to the Castigator 2nd company. :P Â if you give permission, i would like it if you shared your insights on the 2nd company with me. Hope to hear from you soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1593435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 Interesting post. The point about homeostasis is an odd one, but I can see where you're going with that - all the Captains must work in conjunction to ensure the Chapter can endure. And especially in a Chapter like the Castigators, with those tensions between the more moderate Captains and the more zealous ones - there is one thing that unites them all. They're Castigators. Â The issue of the roles of the Captains is one I've always been interested in. There's an article in the Librarium, but I don't think it quite does it justice (and I personally think some of it is wrong). Â Master of the Watch: Obviously the Master of the Watch has the duty of protecting the Chapter's Fortress Monastery. The Apocalypse rulebook suggests that as 'custodian of the Chapter Fortress and protector of the Chapter' the Master of the Watch would bear a Storm Shield. I think that's somewhat of a symbol of office, which Caphius could use if he wished. Though it would be up to him, really. We've seen him with a Power Fist, and I've imagined that the new plastic Captain from the starter box looks like he would hold no small promise as the base for a Caphius conversion. His duties, to my mind, would consist of the defence of Losanco Secundus, the Losanco system itself (to a lesser extent) and that of the Sanctuary. I imagine that the Losanco system would have system defense craft patrolling (like in Warriors of Ultramar) and the Sanctuary would boast massive defences, cannons and the like. Though they've never been needed, the thought of enemies on Losanco would be abhorrent to the Castigators. Though like many of these positions, it's somewhat nominal - Caphius might be responsible for it, but the Second aren't going to be sitting in the Sanctuary all the time - I imagine that defending Losanco would be rotated throughout the Companies. At different times, different Companies would be refitting, resupplying and the like. Plus there would be a fairly substantial force of Reservists and Scouts training upon the Sanctuary at any one time. And then you can factor in the Chapter serfs. Â Master of the Arsenal: 'Unfettered access' to the Chapter's wargear. I think your assertation is correct, for the most part. Sirius would have to work with the Chapter's techmarines to ensure that the Chapter is capable of waging war in the Emperor's name. Obviously, he has nominal control over the weaponry, there would be certain situations where he wouldn't. For example, sometimes weaponry and equipment is gifted to a Marine for his service, which means that Sirius wouldn't just be able to take it away. An example would be when Quintilius gave the Chastener (the Chapter's only combi-plasma) to Timon. Sirius wouldn't be able to take it back off him, because the Chapter Master's issued an edict. Â Master of the Fleet: There was a PDF released by Specialist-Games a while ago that talked about fleet organisations. Whilst interesting, it conflicted with a lot of existing fluff. Â Whilst these serfs make up the vast bulk of crews aboard Space Marine vessels, the Master of the Fleet also has a number of Space Marines under his command... in some cases, it will be the Master of the Fleet's own company who provide these Marines, with each of his Veteran Sergeants acting as Captain to a different vessels within the fleet... in other cases, squads from different companies within the Chapter may be charged with manning the fleet, serving under the command of the Master of the Fleet in just the same way as a Space Marine battleforce may be made up of squads drawn from several companies across the Chapter under the battle-comand of a single, nominated force commander. At an absolute minimum, the Master of the Fleet typically needs eighty to a hundred Marines to properly crew the fleet, its Thunderhawks and its landing craft, and most Chapters have measures in place to ensure that a standing force of this size is permanently available to the Master of the Fleet. Â This presents somewhat of a problem, as if you took at its most literal, the Fourth Company would never actually fight, as they'd be too busy serving as ship crew for the other Companies. I'm inclined to suggest that the Castigators have troops from various Companies (most notably the reserves, I would think) that crew the fleet. The PDF goes on to suggest that whilst nominal Command of the fleet goes to the Master of the Fleet, typically individual Captains will find themselves in charge of a battle-force and the accompanying vessels, giving them additional honorific titles such as 'Regent of the Fleet' or 'Commander at Sail' for the duration. Timon's role is still important, though: Â Captain Timon is a long-serving Castigator, and a staunch ally of Chapter Master Quintilius. As Fourth Company Captain, Timon holds the ceremonial title 'Master of the Fleet'. As such, he is nominally in charge of every vessel owned by the Chapter and all of the serfs crewing them. Typically, these responsibilities are delegated to others in order to allow Timon's Company to fight, but the Captain takes his duties seriously, diligently overseeing every arrangement made to ensure the Chapter can fight effectively. Such arrangements include dealing with the fleet's Navigators, Techmarines and Astropaths. Â There would be some situations, though - for example the Strike Cruiser Inviolate is traditionally a Second-Company vessel, even going back as far as Hero-Captain Lycidius. So there sometimes might be precedent for the Second Company (over other Companies) to use the Inviolate, as it's a faithful vessel. Tradition means a lot to the Space Marines, after all. Though the Second have been depicted using other vessels, they might favour the Inviolate. Â What you said regarding Caphius or Escalus turning up - I think even if Quintilius turned up, Command of the Fleet would typically be Timon's responsibility. (Although Marneus Calgar is depicted as leading the fleet against Tyranids). I figure the Space Marines have got a tradition of delegating responsibility to where it's needed and required. Â Master of the Marches: The Master of the Marches is an interesting one, actually. This article seems to refer to the Marches as a 'Border Region' and then I found this reference to Marcher Lords: Â Marcher Lords were strong, trusted Lords appointed by the King to guard the borders with Wales and Scotland...From the Norman conquest of England until the reign of King James VI of Scotland, who also became King James I of England, border clashes were common and the monarchs of both countries relied on Marcher Lords to defend the frontier areas known as the Marches. They were hand-picked for their suitability for the challenges the responsibilities presented. Â So you could easily make the argument that the Master of the Marches is responsible for defending the Chapter's borders with other regions. I think that might clash somewhat with what I said earlier about Caphius being responsible for the system defences. Which is interesting, when you think about the strained relationship between Caphius and Anteas... they're both jointly responsible for keeping the Chapter's home safe. Â Master of the Rites: Yes, to my mind Ramus is in charge of the Chapter's traditions. As I've mentioned before, he would be responsible for the fourteen-yearly celebration. He'd also be responsible for the Chapter's other traditions - ensuring that long-dead heroes are venerated, that days are honoured, so on and so forth. You're probably right that he'd have some contact with the Librarium. I also imagine him having some contact with the Dreadnoughts, too. He'd perhaps have a strong sense of 'the old days' - the Chapter's heritage and such. He would've loved to have fought alongside the Black Consuls! :P Though I can imagine he would've supported Sirius's assault against the Tyranids in honour of the Ultramarines. Â Chief Victualler: This would be to do with the supplies. And I certainly can't imagine Lucien having too much knowledge of the food in the Serf's kitchens - his job would be more to oversee things. Signing reports and order forms and such. Though he might well have relatively close contact with the AdMech and the like. And the Serfs, of course. But as said, he would be responsible for much of the Chapter's needs, from food through to ammunition or fuel for the fleet. So he would coordinate closely with many of the other Captains. Â Master of Recruits:: Tasked with overseeing the training of the Chapter's neophytes. Venatus would be responsible, to my mind, for selecting the best recruits and then giving them the best training. He would have to work closely with the Apothecarion and the Reclusiam. I imagine him having a good relationship with his Recruiting Sergeants. They would be responsible for the Chapter's future, and it is no small duty. Yes, I agree that he would be in close communication with the Battle-Company Captains, to ensure the Scouts are put to good use and given adequate training. Â Of course, the one missing would be 'Chapter Regent' - That would be Escalus, responsible for Losanco itself when Quintilius would be unavailable. Â Varen: I'll PM you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1593442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (Commissar Molotov @ Jun 8 2008, 08:12 PM) One would think if you were trying to do a Second Company army, you'd ask first. Why did you release the Castigators IA to the public in the first place Mol? Â Well they ARE his creation afterall. I mean if someone wanted to to make an army of one of your chapters, wouldn't you want them to ask first? Don't worry Tiberius, I'm just poking fun at Molly he knows I'm just joking around :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1593456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother varen Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 The Castigators appeal to me spiritually. Their purity/light trying to fight back the growing darkness of the galaxy appeals on so many levels. I think this is why the Castigators have so many supporters. For they strike a spiritual cord in us all, each decision made in our daily lives helps us fight the growing darkness around us. I would eventualy be doing the whole 2nd company with support, not all at the same time though. My daily life limits the time i have to that which makes me happy. :) Â I know the importance of the 2nd company to you, Mol. I guess i should ask if i can call you Mol, huh? :huh: The 2nd company will be very hard to get their zealous feel to them. With your insights and thoughts, i believe we could make it work. Â How do you invision Captain Caphius? You said that Caphius styles himself after hero-captain Lycidius. What info do you have on Lycidius? What wargear does Captain Caphius have? Has he been seconded to the deathwatch? What honors does he hold? You have said that Caphius has a powerfist, is it the same one as Lycidius's? Â What battles and enemies have the 2nd fought? What other wargear relics do the 2nd company have? Any other special characters or dreadnouhgts in the 2nd? When a castigator marine earns the rite as a battle brother, what mark of armour does he get? If that marine shows promise, is he given a diffrent armour type? Is there anything in your mind that sets out the 2nd company from the rest of the Castigators? Do the 2nd company use a certain mark of armour more than the rest? What about weapons? Â Is the color used by Fabricator Gerenal right to you for the Castigators? How is everyone making the chapter symbol? Â The way i see a standard marine from the 2nd company is a marine with a bolter, chain sword, a boltpistol holstered on one hip and a hand flamer holstered on the other. They must be prepred for any situation with zealous action. Is this how you see them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1594105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share Posted June 9, 2008 Is this how you see them?  Not at all. Not in the slightest.  -----  I'll try to deal with your questions in order.  Hero-Captain Lycidius:  http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Castigators/CaptainLycidius.jpg  Lycidius rose quickly through the ranks of the Castigators. His uncompromising views garnered him many supporters within the Chapter, and he was seen as destined to eventually become Chapter master. However, there were those within the Chapter who criticised him for his ideological inflexibility and his outright hostility towards the techpriests, navigators and astropaths under his command. He first rose to prominence in 635.M37 with two back-to-back victories that brought the Chapter huge honour and glory. The Cheng Exculpation, at the start of the year, was a massive assault on an orbital hive-city riven to the core with the corruptions of Chaos. The Boarding Torpedoes of the Second Company penetrated the hull, allowing the boarders to destroy the gravitational anchors holding the hive in place. The massive construction crashed to the planet's surface, destroying it completely. On their way back to the Sanctuary, Lycidius and his men received a distress call from the colony of Aeteron Point, under attack from the Dark Eldar. The Company was understrength and underequipped, but Lycidius was determined to assist the colony. Many Marines wounded in the Cheng Exculpation took to the battlefield, ignoring their injuries. Captain Lycidius dispatched the Eldar Archon himself in single combat. With the slave-ships in orbit crippled and the remaining Dark Eldar forces routed, the colonists of Aeteron Point were spared the terrible fate of living as slaves in the service of the torturous aliens. The prisoners taken were returned to the colony and the Castigators returned home in glory. By 701.M37, Lycidius had been appointed Captain of the First Company. His first duty was to lead the Terminators of the First into the space hulk Horror of Malediction. He served as First-Captain for several decades, until the Truth War, a dark time that stretched the bonds of honour the Chapter enjoys with the Inquisition to breaking point. A time that saw the Castigators charged with heresy and ended with the death of the Lycidius. He never reached the position of Chapter Master, and was buried in the Sanctuary.  Caphius:  http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Castigators/Caphius.jpg  Caphius idolises Lycidius. He styles himself after the Hero-Captain, but the irony is that he's far older than Lycidius was when he became First-Captain - and Caphius is still part of the Second Company. He's not served in the Deathwatch, no - though he's caught the attention of puritan Inquisitors before. After all, Caphius is the very model of the avenging Astartes warrior, fulfilling the Emperor's design for the Space Marines (that is, annihilating their enemies). No, his power fist wasn't worn by Lycidius. Caphius wears the Hero's Mantle, a cloak once worn by Lycidius; his weapons are his own. You could make a case that Caphius fights with power fist and power sword. In some circles, the sword is the traditional weapon for the Captains, and Caphius is certainly one for tradition.  Company II:  I've not detailed the Second Company extensively - I was content for Caphius and his merry band of zealots to be (very influential) background characters. Their most recent recorded battle was in 995.M41, the defence of Maethax - Caphius's plans fell through entirely, and the Fifth Company under Captain Anteas had to save the day. The ironic thing is that Caphius stole all the glory for the decisive victory of the Castigators over their hated foes, the Word Bearers.  Before that, I have a record of them fighting in 969.M41 against the Ork Warboss, Duffdreg da Destroya. Though Caphius was able to stymie the Ork hordes, Duffdreg managed to elude the Castigators, escaping into the warp. At the time, it was sene that his role in the vicinity was over, and that was victory enough. Still, Caphius and his Company swore fell oaths of vengeance against Duffdreg, determined to crush him utterly should their paths cross again. In 939.M41, Caphius fought against the twin Ork empires of Warboss Bigmaw and Warboss Grimskar. In 900.M41, the entire Chapter fought the Garrett Insurrection, crushing a Word Bearers force. (Though Third Company won most of the honours in that campaign, as they were the ones that took the fortifications.)  So on and so forth, for the Chapter's history.  When a Marine is inducted into the Castigators, he gets whatever armour is available. It seems ridiculous to say that as a Marine goes up in rank, he swaps his armour for a different mark. A Space Marine and his armour are near-inseperable - it keeps him alive and allows him to fight with a superiority that excells all other fighting forces in the galaxy. I imagine many Castigators would be loath to swap their armour, unless important circumstances mandated such.  The typical Marine of the Second Company would fight with a Bolter, Bolt Pistol and Monomolecular Combat Blade. The Castigators adhere to the Codex. They don't need hand flamers. They don't need chainswords. They must be prepared to meet any situation with zealous action, certainly. But their faith and their force of will enables them to do that. They don't need to rely on gimmicks. They are, they believe, the finest in the Chapter. Among the finest in the Galaxy. They're the Emperor's Will made manifest. There is nothing they can't accomplish with a prayer on their lips, faith in their hearts and a fully-loaded Bolter.  -------  With regards to the colour schemes and Chapter symbols, I'm an advocate of hand-painting. It's what I'm doing. It's what Fab-Gen did. Darth Potato is keen to wuss out and get decals made, but I'm seriously not in favour of that.  This was done by Fab-Gen:  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/Cormack/Castigators/DSCF2010.jpg  Leads to this:  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/Cormack/Castigators/DSCF1898.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1594318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToyShip Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Your last post was a great read Mol. Looks like you are heading in the direction we had talked about. Quick question though, are you going to have a piece of artwork done for each company captain? I cant wait to see Anteas if so!! Im always rooting for him, the youngest and most misunderstood Castigator. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/14/#findComment-1594326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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