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apologist reacted to a post in a topic: What if 40K had good guys?
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It does make them good guys. Protecting mankind from corruption and extinction is an unalloyed good, there is no greater goal. As I said earlier there are bad parts in the imperium, due to the scale of the empire they aren’t able to stop all corruption and infiltration, but overall as a faction they are the good guys. Much of the terrible stuff done is out of necessity because the galaxy is so harsh and the opposing factions really are horrifically bad. Survival trumps being nice to everyone all the time. Being extreme and sacrificing parts for the whole is the only way to the ultimate goal at this point. These are human beings, it’s not realistic to say a faction can only be good if they do good things all the time. The human race would be gone in seconds if that were the case. You can argue 2 or 3 of the xenos factions are good guys, from their perspectives maybe they are, but every single xenos faction has negative intentions towards humanity, so to us they are still bad. It’s clear from the lore there is no alternative to the imperium now. It could have been better of course if it weren’t for Magnus
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40k First Founding Champions + Combat Patrols
AenarIT replied to Lord Marshal's topic in + NEWS, RUMORS, AND BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS +
I hope they realised a second SM codex so late into the edition would've not been received well and so they dropped it. If rumours are to be believed, we're less than a year away from 11th edition and the obligatory SM codex to launch it. -
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Horus Heresy New Edition, or Just Horus Hearsay?
Doctor Perils replied to Marshal Loss's topic in + WARHAMMER: THE HORUS HERESY +
Veteran Tactical Squads have access to the legion special weapons list and the legion heavy weapons list for 1per5 models -
'A story', but not a full novel. Still: I'll take anything from McGOD, and I'm in love with the Trench Crusade setting. Dunno about any other authors, sorry. My hyperfixation extends only to the man himself.
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Rhavien reacted to a post in a topic: First Founding Champions + Combat Patrols
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Perhaps I'm just reflexively recoiling at the idea of more Fo-isms, but the TD stuff really raises my choler. It just doesn't seem to make sense. I don't think the Decree could have been put into place pre-Siege: Titan's gone into the Warp, the Emperor has already given his instructions to the Grey Knights (which don't say anything about him and the Throne, and there is absolutely no reason not to mention this then, or have Malcador mention it). The Emperor has absolutely no reason to say 'hey yo if I fail on the Throne, fix it' because the Emperor's one, total, absolutely inflexible character trait is 'nah I'd win'. He is totally prepared to sit there forever and die. If the Emperor gets off the Throne/dies, then there's not going to be a Throne (much less a Terra) to put him back on since the Webway Breach is gonna eat it (and the Talisman is going to go off, don't believe Abnett's lies). Malcador doesn't get the Throne idea until post-final confrontation with Horus, and he's not in any position to make a Decree afterwards. The Emperor isn't, either. And I don't think Veritus would let anybody else do it even if they could. I dunno. I thought we had a very neat 'Terminus Decree' with the Talisman of Seven Hammers. That was simple, artful and made it impossible for the Emperor to leave the Throne anyway: because it was effectively a suicide bomb. The Emperor can't get up because if he does, Terra explodes in the world's angriest shaped charge, directly into the Warp. That was neat. It was cool. Then the Terminus Decree seemed to be Fo's bioweapon, which was also fine. The ultimate double-edged sword, the great leveller: no more Space Marines, good or bad (and god knows what else it would kill into the bargain). Unleashing a galactic phage from a totally mad scientist was a very reasonable 'last resort',.. and particularly nasty because it meant the GK had to kill themselves if they used it. So much for the 'final gift', eh? This 'new' Decree doesn't gel with what people knew or decided at the only time it could have been written by who the blurb suggests it was written by. It's too late post-Siege, and the Throne!Emperor wasn't the only or forseeable conclusion before that, by the time of Buried Dagger). This then suggests the Decree is a plant from someone else to screw over the Emperor, and the person best-placed to do that - the person who's just become one of the founding members of the Inquisition and who personally hates the Emperor just that much and whose wheelhouse this dickery falls right into is Basilio Fo. Means, motive, opportunity.
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I think yes it would have been slightly depressing and grim dark…. Especially right after the big guy landed on the throne. Buuuut there would also be a lot of hope aswell coming out of this period. The imperium would return to it’s strongest state since the GC. The traitors would be fed or exiled…
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I guess it really depends what you mean by good. Is it moral and just by the standards of 21st century humans? hell no. Would it be considered good enough 'within the bounds of a monarch's remit' by a medieval King/court? Maybe. Is most of it better than what would happen to those worlds under the thrall of Chaos or Genestealer cults? Yeah, mostly. To put things another way - What is a 'good' faction? The first that comes to mind as even trying to live up to that moniker (in sci fi, rather than in a simpler fantasy setting) is the United Federation of Planets in Star Trek and even for them the highest of moral standards are a target or a starting position, not a final outcome. Fiction is a set of trolly problems 'Do the right thing by your rules and allow suffering, or bend your principals to achieve a better outcome', otherwise it wouldn't really be interesting - who wants a story where doing the right thing always leads to the right outcome with no grey areas? (it'd be lovely in real life, but a boring story). Not really sure where I was going with this, but I might as well leave it now I've typed it.
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Graham McNeilln is writing for trench crusade? A novel or flavour text? I'd love to read it. Are any other BL authors writing for it?
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New book coming out by R. S. Wilt. Don't know anything about him, not even what R. and S. stand for. I'm always a bit suspicious of authors who go by initials. Yours- G. R. Ailkeeper
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I think that is what everyone assumed but it turns out the Terminus Decree is just a sealed order for the Grey Knights. It states that if the Emperor ever recovers, reincarnates or ascends to godhood, the Grey Knights have to put him back on the Golden Throne. It provides no guidance on how they are supposed to do this in the face of the Custodians, Silent Sisters, Imperial Fists, Minotaurs and umpteen million Mortal troops on Terra.
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RIP Self Healing cutting mat....You did your job....
Beef commented on W.A.Rorie's blog entry in In Service of the Imperium- W.A.Rorie's Blog
Did the store staff say why thats been happening alot with the extra thin glue? -
I don't really follow the codexs. What has been said about the TD? Last I recall from SoT was the Custodes trying to squirrel it away (I've actually forgot how that plotline ended). Was it what Fo created?
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The main thing to keep in mind is that, the moment you run into an AoC equivalent strat, youre stuck back at AP-. The real question is do you want the Sustained Hits from the Chainswords or the Lethal Hits from the Power Weapons.
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I wonder how the authors will make the series not depressing as heck? I know 40k is supposed to be grimdark, but most of the established sources we have post-Horus' death about pretty much every major player in The Scouring is 'they went into a big depression, argued with a lot of people, and the eventually died a fruitless death or were lost to chaos'. Again, I understand about grimdark. But as a reader at least on paper The Scouring seems to have its hands tied. How will the authors make this interesting as a series, rather than as a setting? I don't really want every book simply documenting the mental decline and death of the characters were followed for 100+ HH, SoT stories.
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30k Hobby Chat
No Foes Remain replied to Marshal Vespasian's topic in + WARHAMMER: THE HORUS HERESY +
Red Warden does the old Mk3s as well, which you can also get from Archie's Forge (though that all depends on your location), and they look a hell of a lot better on the new Mk3 than the new kit's helmet. -
Well I think the Selanar labs on Luna are pivotal, the traitors would have put production in overtime during the Seige when they took them, and then when the loyalists take retake them, there’s potential to put these to use again. It’s an escape point for the writers to take if they explain it properly, what does everybody else think? As for legion numbers in the novels around the siege I feel they were very vague on traitor legion numbers, this could have been more accurate or specific in black books and the like.
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The Just - Dr. Ruminahui's new Emperor's Children
Tallarn Commander replied to Dr_Ruminahui's topic in + EMPEROR'S CHILDREN +
He looks great! Bob Ross would be proud of your happy accident. -
40k Leagues of Votann Second Wave
Lord Marshal replied to Lord Marshal's topic in + NEWS, RUMORS, AND BOARD ANNOUNCEMENTS +
Looks like that youtuber was correct; it's Votann pre-orders next week. I think that Collector's Edition cover is new art too? -
I just read through the last two years of these, and they’re amazing. Incredibly inspiring designs and it’s been very cool to see the shifts in layout and style for the individual minis. Cheers!
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Even if the Imperium was the only thing protecting humanity from extinction (which I'm not prepared to grant without qualifiers) that's a direct result of the Imperium spending 200 years destroying all the other human civilizations that survived the Age of Strife. "There's no alternative" isn't a very sound justification when you're the reason there's no alternative, especially when you'd rather blow up whole planets than countenance any alternative existing. The Great Crusade forced all of humanity's eggs into one basket and then dropped that basket on the uncarpeted floor of the Dark Gods, bouncing it off the table corner of the Pharos on the way down.