Captain Semper Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 I [brother-Captain Sicarius] answer the challenge of the Unforgiven and vow to complete [Emperors Champion] from Codex: [black Templars] of total value [X] on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to [The Black Templars] and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end sorry for the late showing, a couple of things had me unable to show up (and the vow would have been larger if i was sure i had primer enough for any modells at all... one question though: as i currently am not making a completly legit unit (as the empereors champion is forced to take a vow from a list, and you cant model or paint a vow) what do i do? dont add points for a vow, take any vow and pay the points or the middle way add the cheapest vow to make it a legit unit... no vow: X=90 any vow: X=140 cheapest vow: X=100 this way you will know what to place in the points cost for my vow depending on your ruling :) Welcome to the ETL Brother Captain Sicarius. Your question has come up before and the answer is the you cannot claim points for things that cannot be physically represented on the mini. So vows, special rules like "furious charge" etc won't give you anything. The argument is that if it was allowed people would include the most expensive vow and in the case of the EC they'll get 50pts with no effort at all. I've made a similar ruling for Chaos sorcerers that have to take a phychic power according to their rules. However it will not count for the purposes of the ETL. So I'm updating the table with your vow for 90pts - Good luck :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 “I Brother Lysere answer the challenge of the Unforgiven and vow to complete 6 Sword Brethern Assault Terminators, (3 lightning claws, 3 thunder hammer storm shields, all with crusader seals) and a Reclusiarch with Crozius, Storm Bolter, and Terminator Armor from Codex: Black Templar of total value 377 points on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to The Templar Order and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end” Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I Brother Raeven answer the challenge of the Unforgiven and vow to complete 5 Sword Brethern Assault Terminators, (All lightning claws, all with crusader seals), Chaplain Grimauldus and Cenobyte Retinue, Dreadnaught (AoBR) with MultiMelta, Smoke Launchers, and Searchlight, 2 Crusader Squads with 7 BP/CCW Initiates, 1 Meltagun, and 1 BW/PF each all with Crusader Seals, Frag, and Krak Grenades, and 2 Rhino's with smoke launchers from Codex: Black Templar of total value 1058 points on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to The Templar Order and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
civsmitty Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Three new brothers take the Vow in the time it takes me to drive to work! Well done, brothers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 Wow! You guys are now a single vow and only 200 pledged poitns behind the BAs!!! You're doing great! Table updated and good luck! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larden Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Hello, i answer for the challenge from the unforgiven,and pledge to paint: Marshal (161) - LC - SS - Artificer armor - Frag grenades Castellan (120) - PW - PP - Iron Halo 7 initiates (140) - Pf - Flamer - Frags Dreadnought (145) - Lascannon - Missile Launcher Grand total: 546 points Will paint them on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to The Templar Order and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end P.S1 might go for venerable dread,but not sure as my paintings skills arent impressive,so i pref to stick to standart dreadnought. P.S2 might include some neo and another squad,but depends on time issues. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 That's great Larden I'll update the table in an hour or so. Good luck! :mellow: P.S1 might go for venerable dread,but not sure as my paintings skills arent impressive,so i pref to stick to standart dreadnought.P.S2 might include some neo and another squad,but depends on time issues. Keep in mind that you can modify your vow until Friday. After that you have to complete your previous vow before you make a new one - no changes on submitted vows will be allowed. And the new one should again be a legal unit. So adding Neophytes to a previously vowed (and completed) squad would not be an acceptable vow. Consider this and think if you want to make any amendments until Friday. EDIT: TABLE UPDATED TO THIS POINT. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Scipio Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 You make me proud to your brother, brothers! Glory to the emperor! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eberious Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I Brother Eberious answer the challenge of the Unforgiven and vow to complete the below list from Codex: Black Templars of total value 996pts on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to the Black Templars and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end. Marshal Thunderhammer Combat shield Jump pack Terminator honours 3 Typhoons 2 Rhino 1 with hunter killer missile 10 Initiates Power fist Meltagun Frag/krak Seals 10 Assualt initiates Power fist Flamer http://i1178.photobucket.com/albums/x370/EberiousTemplar/DSC08357.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthanor Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 And the Master of the Forge joins us! With a hefty vow no less! *Cheers* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 Welcome Eberiuos to the ETL - Your vow is in - Good luck! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3084937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplaincliff Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Cousin Semper, I have several magnetized parts for my terminators, would I be able to paint say a 5 man terminator squad and then also have all of the upgrades they can have as they are all magnetized and modeled, so have 2x assault cannons, 2x missile launchers, and 2x heavy flamers, as well as 5x chainfists and the normals, all adding into the points as they are modeled or is this a bit confusing? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthanor Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I'm sure that I've seen this be asked somewhere else but can't find it... The answer was that you can only submit complete models, so best submit the most expensive ones. 2xCyclones + 5xChainfists make a pretty expensive vow! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaplaincliff Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 ok, well I shall have to post up my latest completion, and then my second vow; first up is my latest completion, a chaplain, a dread, and a tech marine and for my 3rd vow I will complete a single land speeder typhoon w/ a multi melta for 85 points. and also a 5 man terminator squad w/ 2x cyclone missile launchers and 5x chainfists and 5x crusader seals for 285 points. this brings my 3rd vow total to 370 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eberious Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Updated vow with pic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 @ Chaplain Cliff: Congratulations on your completion! Updated the table accordingly and added your new vow - keep going! @ Eberious: Updated your vow for the H/K missile. Looks tre cool! Good luck! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Dovian Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Hello Brothers, if possible I would like to tweak my first vow. Change to..... 1x Vindicator - DozerBlade ExArm Search Light Pintle Mount Storm Bolter Smoke Launcher Hunter Killer Missile 189pts 1x Terminator Unit - 2x LC 3x TH Crusader Seals 210pts 1x Terminator Unit - 2x Cyc 3x ChainFists Crusader Seals 275pts Edit:Total 674pts forgot all about crusader seals :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystech1 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 “I Mystech1 answer the challenge of the Unforgiven and vow to complete 1 Marshal with Artificer Armor, Adamantium Mantle, Terminator Honors, Holy Orb of Antioch, Combi-Plasma, and Power weapon and 1 Emperor's Champion from Codex: Black Templars of total value 285 on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to The Black Templars and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end” The Combi-Plasma on paper is Master Crafted, but I did not add the points as I was not sure if I could properly represent it. My idea is to add chapter symbols to the weapon with either green stuff or creative sprue carving. Would this work or would it need more, any ideas to allow those extra 15 points would be appreciated. Also, I will be scratch building several drop pods from plastic bottles and cardboard, would these be legal to add? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 @ Marshal Dovian: Your vow is updated! Crusader seals indeed! :) @ Mystech1: Welcome to the ETL! Regarding your Master-crafted question, you could add something simpe like the targeting device, or some fancy painting (like gold). If you want to go as far as using green stuff, then even small additions would qualify you... It's way too much effort for such a small benefit, I'll gladly award the points! ^_^ Regardng the scratch-build drop pods - I'd say no, let's keep this within the official confines of GW products for this event. Conversions are fine, "count as" is fine but total scratch build? I'd say no. what you can do though is enter them as out-of-competion items. A lot of people do that, adding non-ETL eligible models without claiming the points for them but they sure claim the honour - and get some motivation to build them too! Anyway, I've updated the table with your vow but let me know if you want to add the mastercrafted thingy - so I'll change it again! Good luck! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystech1 Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 @Captain Semper: I will indeed be adding the extra touches to my Marshal's weapon. Please Amend my Vow to include the Master Crafted points. Also thank you for the tips, I will be incorporating those into the model as well. :) It's a shame about the drop pods, but I understand. I will still build them as non eligible models as you suggested, until I can get a more legitimate transport option. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 OK, done! check it out and let me know if there is a problem! Good luck again! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Sicarius Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 vow updated with pic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trask Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 “I Trask answer the challenge of the Unforgiven and vow to complete A Crusader Squad of 7 initiates, and 2 neophytes, with a meltagun and a powerfist, and a rhino with smoke launchers and extra armor from Codex: Black Templars of total value 215 on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to The Black Templars and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end” These will be the first miniatures I've ever painted, so they won't be quality, but they'll contribute to this noble crusade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Semper Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 “I Trask answer the challenge of the Unforgiven and vow to complete A Crusader Squad of 7 initiates, and 2 neophytes, with a meltagun and a powerfist, and a rhino with smoke launchers and extra armor from Codex: Black Templars of total value 215 on or before August 15. Success will bring eternal glory to The Black Templars and failure will doom me to bear the sign of damnation until the year-end” These will be the first miniatures I've ever painted, so they won't be quality, but they'll contribute to this noble crusade. Table updated - good luck - especially with the extra armour! B) It's developing in a race between the BTs, the BAs and the Codex forums!!! This is great guys - competition is peaking! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roesor Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Already posted this in the other thread concerning this but I suppose here is the correct place. If I didn't in fact ask when I first saw it and forgot. I have finished my Templars. However, I do have a Templaresque DIY chapter who are seeded from Rogal Dorn, and who make no secret of their firm allegiance. May I be permitted to add what I do for them to the Black Templars roster? As the Shields of Sigismund, their entire purpose is to aid his Sons and the Sons of Rogal Dorn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/252369-e-tenebrae-lux/page/9/#findComment-3085446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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