Onisuzume Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Well, that new land speeder looks pretty nice. I wonder about that new tank though, given the apparant size. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Yes, I think that terminator armor is the less useful for the Night Lords given their combat style, and tactics of hit and run. The Atramentar is more like a boarding or bodyguard unit, the most specialized in a legion where the most faster is the better. In a legion as the Death Guard or the Iron Hands, with the relentless advance combat style, they would be more in number and more used. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Hmm, interesting how there's no comment on what the Word Bearers are getting. I mean, we know they are getting a unit called the "Circle of Ashes Pyroclast Destroyers". To me, that suggest "pyroclast" is some sort of weapon upgrade for the Destroyer Marines, but I wasn't there so I can't confirm it but since at least two blogs have said the same thing, then it holds some truth to what they heard. Can't say I remember just where I read this, and it might simply have been made up as conjecture by whoever posted the event report, but I read somewhere they were charged with locating and destroying all records of any civilisation/xenos they conquered; Leave no trace of the past, no history, no lore, nothing but the "Imperial Truth"... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I saw the same thing on the Apocalypse40k blog. I was commenting on how everything keeps saying that the Pyroclast is going to be a new unit for the Salamanders but at least Apocalypse40k called the Circle of Ashes "Pyroclast Destroyers". Edit: THIS is where I gound it at least, in case it is different from where you found the same description. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 If anything I'd say the Word Bearers at Istvaan V should get the option for the Gal Vorbak. Or come to that the Calth book would be more appropriate since it had become more widespread by then but the greedy part of me wants to see Vakhra Jal (don't quote me on the spelling) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevatar Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Ah, that has made me feel better. Elite Morlocks and Elite Breacher Squads. Very happy now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Well, I think that might be part of it. It looks like the new Legions are getting two special units vs where the old Legions only got one in Betrayal and then a new one in Massacre. Although I'm not sure how that will work out since the Emperor's Children had pics for Noise Marines and Phoenix Guard, which are two new units. Unless the Phoenix Guard is just a cosmetics upgrade for Terminator units in an EC army. Which would be kind of lackluster I admit. So I think Forgeworld gave us some teasers and then said something like "at least two new units" but it got lost in translation as "only two new units" sort of like the "Gorgon Terminators" and the "Pyroclasts are a new unit for the Slamanders but somehow the Word Bearers Destroyers shown have the descriptor "Pyroclast Destroyers". I imagine things will become clearer as we draw closer to the actual release of Massacre. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Maybe "Pyroclast Destroyers" is a general definition for a unit with advanced flame weaponry and the Circle of Ashes is a special unit within that category. So the salamanders could have another kind of Pyroclast Destroyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 True enough Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 I saw the same thing on the Apocalypse40k blog. I was commenting on how everything keeps saying that the Pyroclast is going to be a new unit for the Salamanders but at least Apocalypse40k called the Circle of Ashes "Pyroclast Destroyers". Edit: THIS is where I gound it at least, in case it is different from where you found the same description. Yes that was it. Hadn't realized you were referring to rumours of Salamander Pyros (I had dismissed the idea, since the Circle of Ashes Pyroclasts makes so much sense). On my end the one reveal that has me psyched the most is Erebus and the WB line, although I've been wishing for a few years now that I hadn't sold my Bearers 10 years ago... Only 'trace' of them that remains is my old BnC username 'ChaplainErebus' - which I thought had long been deleted already. (To be fair, the "current" Erebus we've all learned to love hate is a far more imposing figure than mine, who was simply Lorgar's standard bearer). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3376927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 21, 2013 Author Share Posted May 21, 2013 Insert crying here: well if then the EC are getting kakaphoni sonic marines (that word is titillating) and phoenix gaurd and then SoH are getting reavers, then what are the DG and WEs getting? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Insert crying here: well if then the EC are getting kakaphoni sonic marines (that word is titillating) and phoenix gaurd and then SoH are getting reavers, then what are the DG and WEs getting? The Devourers?...I'm joking, don't kill me please Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of the Raven Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 First marines with two bolt pistols, now with two hand flamers? Destroyers really are stealing the Seraphims' thunder. I'm gonna tell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Idk, I haven't really seen any rumors about what the World Eaters and Death Guard are getting. To be honest, I wouldn't even know what to give them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Assuming DG and WE would get something additional.... for the DG I'd imagine a new tactical veteran squad or destroyer squad. As for the WE... I have no clue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Yeah, they're pretty cut-and-clear-dry Legions and the Death Guard in particular don't go through any major changes until they were on their way to Terra when they were hit by the Destroyer Hive Virus. Maybe it'll be something like a non-Chaos aligned Plague Marine unit. Like "These guys are well known for using chemical weapons" or some such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share Posted May 22, 2013 Insert crying here: well if then the EC are getting kakaphoni sonic marines (that word is titillating) and phoenix gaurd and then SoH are getting reavers, then what are the DG and WEs getting? The Devourers?...I'm joking, don't kill me please yeah special rule: Angron doesnt give a damn- devourers can follow Angron as a "retinue" but don't count as being in a unit with him and must remain 6 in from him. Devourers automatically destroy units performing a fall back movement from losing combat against Angron. Upon destruction of the unit, enemy doesn't receive a VP because Angron doesn't give a crap about them. .......Hire me Forge World Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbero666 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Insert crying here: well if then the EC are getting kakaphoni sonic marines (that word is titillating) and phoenix gaurd and then SoH are getting reavers, then what are the DG and WEs getting? The Devourers?...I'm joking, don't kill me please yeah special rule: Angron doesnt give a damn- devourers can follow Angron as a "retinue" but don't count as being in a unit with him and must remain 6 in from him. Devourers automatically destroy units performing a fall back movement from losing combat against Angron. Upon destruction of the unit, enemy doesn't receive a VP because Angron doesn't give a crap about them. .......Hire me Forge World Dude, I would buy them haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Insert crying here: well if then the EC are getting kakaphoni sonic marines (that word is titillating) and phoenix gaurd and then SoH are getting reavers, then what are the DG and WEs getting? A Bolt round to the head ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor13 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Insert crying here: well if then the EC are getting kakaphoni sonic marines (that word is titillating) and phoenix gaurd and then SoH are getting reavers, then what are the DG and WEs getting? A Bolt round to the head Not that this will stop them from giving you a chainaxe or rad blast to the face, loyalist ;) The Devourers and their applicability to the FW books sure are intriguing. As far as the DG are concerned, don't they have some sort of elite, Destroyer-like unit called the Graven? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Haha, actually I'm collecting Iron Warriors, so less of the loyalist ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visitor13 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Apologies - in that case trench rat ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Haha, actually I'm collecting Iron Warriors, so less of the loyalist Didn't the true Iron Warriors fight against the traitors? I seem to remember a squad of them holding off horus's forces for a year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Haha, actually I'm collecting Iron Warriors, so less of the loyalist Didn't the true Iron Warriors fight against the traitors? I seem to remember a squad of them holding off horus's forces for a year. 1.) Depends on how you define "true" Iron Warriors. 2.) If you are referring to Warsmith Dantioch, not really. It was more like his small Grand Company with an army of gene-bulked clones simply kept another larger Grand Company from killing him and his and won at such a great cost that he and like two others plus that Ultramarine were really the only survivors and they captured a ship because they killed the only Space Marines on aboard and then commandeered the mortal crew. Unless you're referring to something else. Then it would be something that I haven't read most likely since it isn't ringing any bells. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Or maybe he's refering the defense of Olympia. Which was under siege by two loyalists legions (IIRC) and held two years with a few dudes. Those were traitors too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/270656-incoming-heresy-models/page/10/#findComment-3377703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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