knife&fork Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 ok, that's true. DC in particular were awesome back then. ooooh yes, with re-rolls and old rending those were glorious. Not to mention 4th ed consolidation! Surely I can't be the only one who would gladly trade overpriced power weapon upgrades for a straight up rending DC again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3820696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 ok, that's true. DC in particular were awesome back then. ooooh yes, with re-rolls and old rending those were glorious. Not to mention 4th ed consolidation! Surely I can't be the only one who would gladly trade overpriced power weapon upgrades for a straight up rending DC again? I feel the current DC is simply the best ever.. There's just something about Death Company and Boltguns that go well together.. http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_8363/gallery_60983_8363_82335.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3820711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Can honestly say I never bought enough of that box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3820722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 We survived the PDF. BA for life. Its been like that since before the dark PDF days, and I'll ensure it stays that way. I don't think the PDF 'dex was that bad... much better than the anemic 3rd ed codex with all those 'see codex space marines' entries. We had the DC, we had our SCs and our lists didn't look exactly like other PA armies. K&F - it wasnt!! But it was perceived to be terrible! And got a LOT of heat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3820741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I'll be super pissed when they release the new dex and say it has "New Unique Psyker Powers!" It'll be like, well why did you FAQ out the old one? Here's to hoping that our codex has super cheese everywhere and we can ROFLstomp Eldar and Tau in close combat without getting tabled during the first 2 shooting phases!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3820764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 ok, that's true. DC in particular were awesome back then. ooooh yes, with re-rolls and old rending those were glorious. Not to mention 4th ed consolidation! Surely I can't be the only one who would gladly trade overpriced power weapon upgrades for a straight up rending DC again? I loved the rending, particularly because the flavour text described it as being due to tearing their opponents limb from limb. Probably the most literal interpretation of rending in the game. Ok guys, the Warhammer fest this year has a limited edition Blood Angels T as the event exclusive merchandise. I'm taking this as a sign that BA are due to drop, screaming on wings of fire, around that time. http://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/events-hall/warhammer-fest/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3820970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sans Mercy Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I'll be super pissed when they release the new dex and say it has "New Unique Psyker Powers!" It'll be like, well why did you FAQ out the old one? Here's to hoping that our codex has super cheese everywhere and we can ROFLstomp Eldar and Tau in close combat without getting tabled during the first 2 shooting phases!!! I personally would want it balanced with advantages to our perceived 'strengths', although this made me laugh. Ooooh what if we get a slight bonus to charge range? 1"-2"? #pointlesswishlisting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I'll be super pissed when they release the new dex and say it has "New Unique Psyker Powers!" It'll be like, well why did you FAQ out the old one? Here's to hoping that our codex has super cheese everywhere and we can ROFLstomp Eldar and Tau in close combat without getting tabled during the first 2 shooting phases!!! I personally would want it balanced with advantages to our perceived 'strengths', although this made me laugh.Ooooh what if we get a slight bonus to charge range? 1"-2"? #pointlesswishlisting I'd really love the old massacre rules back. Kill a unit, crash into another. @Xenith My god would I love to have back old rending on the DC. I really hope they don't get nerfed because it's one of the great and iconic melee units still viable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Unfortunately, I think rending in this edition wouldn't be too great. In 4th ed, the DC autowounded on a 6 to hit. It made them lethal, along with other units like harlequins. They took a massive hit in 5th, when rending changed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Unfortunately, I think rending in this edition wouldn't be too great. In 4th ed, the DC autowounded on a 6 to hit. It made them lethal, along with other units like harlequins. They took a massive hit in 5th, when rending changed. I'd hands down take todays rending over power weapons. GW is all about radomes nowadays. I just hope they don't bring back old school Lucifer engines. Nothing was more annoying than having Rhinos stall out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 What I hope 2014 will bring - a new BA heavy assault unit. Assault Marines, Death Company, Sanguinary Guard and Vanguard Vets more or less fulfill the same role. I'd like something outside of Mephiston that can stand toe to toe with the best elite assault units in the game. Something that can punch out Wraithknights and Imperial Knights, and can deal with multiple packs of Thunderwolves. Mebbe the mutterings of jump Terminators may fulfill that role Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 DC with a chaplain/reclusiarch will wipe most units on the charge. As long as they get the charge of course... I'm secretly hoping for counter attack and rampage as well. Would make them very well rounded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I've got to echo k&f here. 10 DC with a Chaplain or Reclusiarch has never failed to tear even the most dedicated assault units a new one. They're already plenty brutal enough, providing you get the charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHarrower Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 DC with a chaplain/reclusiarch will wipe most units on the charge. As long as they get the charge of course... I'm secretly hoping for counter attack and rampage as well. Would make them very well rounded. Counter-attack and Rampage would be sweet. I'm worried they are going to drop to WS4 and 1 Attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sans Mercy Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I hope Liturgies of Blood makes the cut too!"35 attacks? 30+ wounds. That was a delicious horde." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartali Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 DC with a chaplain/reclusiarch will wipe most units on the charge. As long as they get the charge of course... I'm secretly hoping for counter attack and rampage as well. Would make them very well rounded. That's the thing though. Against today's elite assault units, your not likely to be getting the charge. Unless you fork out for jump packs, and we know how that turns out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemisor Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 i'd love to see a death company upgrade for any unit. pay x points to upgrade this terminator/SG/HG/VV squad to DC. retain all rules and wargear but gain fearless, +1 WS, rage etc etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 DC with a chaplain/reclusiarch will wipe most units on the charge. As long as they get the charge of course... I'm secretly hoping for counter attack and rampage as well. Would make them very well rounded. That's the thing though. Against today's elite assault units, your not likely to be getting the charge. Unless you fork out for jump packs, and we know how that turns out Yea, awesome. i'd love to see a death company upgrade for any unit. pay x points to upgrade this terminator/SG/HG/VV squad to DC. retain all rules and wargear but gain fearless, +1 WS, rage etc etc Wait for the supplement... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3821970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 That's the thing though. Against today's elite assault units, your not likely to be getting the charge. Unless you fork out for jump packs, and we know how that turns out The way I see it you either run DC as a disruptive or offensive unit. Disruptive you go 10 man in a pod with a mix of bolters and pistols, max 2 axes or a single fist for upgrades. They go some place where they will distract the opponent and force him to make less than ideal calls. If you go offensive we're talking 11-8 DC marines accompanied by a chaplain or reclusiarch. 2 fists or two axes plus fist. Naturally you also take an assault vehicle which should give you the charge more often than not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3822078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 +1 I on the charge is enough change for DC IMO. I don't see what jump pack termies get you over SG (other than the invul save). What's the draw? I worry that we'll lose jump pack honor guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3822085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebymster Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 +1 I on the charge is enough change for DC IMO. I don't see what jump pack termies get you over SG (other than the invul save). What's the draw? I'm with you here- AND I want jump packs for same price as Wolf Guard get them: 3!!! And termis can't sweeping advance! Oh haven't checked that in 7th... Can they? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3822123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 No. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3822243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb447/Brindleysa/Grumpy_cat_quotes_no-5_zps1ce95543.jpg Fixed that for you. :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3822351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Dark Eldar Painting Guide If this is anything to go by, we can probably expect a BA version to available for £20. Would any of you actually buy it though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3822462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted October 1, 2014 Share Posted October 1, 2014 Dark Eldar Painting Guide If this is anything to go by, we can probably expect a BA version to available for £20. Would any of you actually buy it though? Why ANYONE would bu this when the number of available free tutorials on the web are multitudes better than EAVY METAL quality beats my senses stupid.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/38/#findComment-3822472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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