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Nova_Dew Battle-Brother

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I'm drooling.

 

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I'm wondering how it will look with the helmet from the Blood Angels upgrade set, the one with only the tear drop under the eye and the halo-esque head dress, maybe with some of the gold filigree from the transfer sheet on the other side to the tear 

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With the Forge World Proteus Pattern Land Speeder crew rocking red helmets, does this mean that FW are leaning towards red helms being a standard for the Legion, even Close Support/Fast attack units?

 

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Proteus-Pattern-Land-Speeder-Set-1-2018

I think they're going with the idea of colored helmets being the BAs way of adopting RG's new C:Astartes?

 

With Sanguinius no longer around to argue on their behalf, it's not like they had much weight to say no...

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With the Forge World Proteus Pattern Land Speeder crew rocking red helmets, does this mean that FW are leaning towards red helms being a standard for the Legion, even Close Support/Fast attack units?

 

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Proteus-Pattern-Land-Speeder-Set-1-2018

I think they're going with the idea of colored helmets being the BAs way of adopting RG's new C:Astartes?

 

With Sanguinius no longer around to argue on their behalf, it's not like they had much weight to say no...

 

Even if he was still around, Sangy respected his brother and would've probably agreed.

 

However, I'd imagine that this colour scheme gives us no real insight into the tactical markings of the Legion and could've been painted months ago before the details were finalised!

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With the Forge World Proteus Pattern Land Speeder crew rocking red helmets, does this mean that FW are leaning towards red helms being a standard for the Legion, even Close Support/Fast attack units?

 

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Proteus-Pattern-Land-Speeder-Set-1-2018

I think they're going with the idea of colored helmets being the BAs way of adopting RG's new C:Astartes?

 

With Sanguinius no longer around to argue on their behalf, it's not like they had much weight to say no...

 

Even if he was still around, Sangy respected his brother and would've probably agreed.

 

However, I'd imagine that this colour scheme gives us no real insight into the tactical markings of the Legion and could've been painted months ago before the details were finalised!

 

 

I maintain that the coloured helmets cannot logically be implemented after the BA became nominally codex-adherent, because the coloured helms by their very nature are codex divergent. Same reason BA don't have company coloured shoulder pad trim, and the more codex adherent Blood Drinkers do, etc. 

 

That the codex is a codification of the best tactical doctrines enacted by each of the Legions further cements this - if it's in the codex, then some Legion or other was probably doing it first (Like the Siege Tyrants/Atramentar).

 

Even if it wasn't used by the entire Legion, it had to exist in some form or the other before the codex dropped.

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I have a feeling that we'll see all red as the standard for the IX Legion.

 

A. it's lazy for the painters/designers (being realistic)

B. 30k/HH has a bit of the "planet of hats" thing going

C. traditions evolve and change over time, even in a setting like 40k that literally worships the past.

 

My thought around C is that the helmet colors would be something that evolved over time, especially as the Red Thirst and Black Rage became more prominent the further away from Sanguinius' passing his descendants got.

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I have a feeling that we'll see all red as the standard for the IX Legion.

 

B. 30k/HH has a bit of the "planet of hats" thing going

 

I couldn't agree less!

 

At every turn the pages of the Black books are filled with alternative unit markings, colouration, variants and other quirks of individual forces. While on the very surface yes, Ultras are blue and Fists are yellow, they (and other legions) have a lot of little details that expand their pallet a lot.

 

Red, gold, black (and marble...?) will be our main colours, but we'll probably see at least one scheme that's a bit different to the norm.

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I maintain that the coloured helmets cannot logically be implemented after the BA became nominally codex-adherent, because the coloured helms by their very nature are codex divergent. Same reason BA don't have company coloured shoulder pad trim, and the more codex adherent Blood Drinkers do, etc.

 

That the codex is a codification of the best tactical doctrines enacted by each of the Legions further cements this - if it's in the codex, then some Legion or other was probably doing it first (Like the Siege Tyrants/Atramentar).

 

Even if it wasn't used by the entire Legion, it had to exist in some form or the other before the codex dropped.

It's long been established that the Codex never said how company and squad types had to be identified, just that they should be. The Black Library Index Astartes (back in what, 3rd ed?) was IIRC first to give examples of Codex chapters with Helmet, knee, chest eagle, etc company identification, and canonized the idea that the codex specifically mentioning varying such identification to confuse recurring opponents Edited by Spinsanity
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With the Forge World Proteus Pattern Land Speeder crew rocking red helmets, does this mean that FW are leaning towards red helms being a standard for the Legion, even Close Support/Fast attack units?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Proteus-Pattern-Land-Speeder-Set-1-2018

I sent off a message to FW a while ago asking whether or not Assault Marines have yellow helmets, and the message they sent me back said that coloured helmets was only a post Codex thing and that they had red helmets during the Heresy. One can expand this philosophy to the rest of the legion. Again, this was from FW support, so who knows how accurate they are. Make what you will of that.

On another note, not all Blood Angels had red helmets, case and point, the BA Tartaros Termnator that was previewed.

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I guess no one really knows this, but what are the chances of the leviathan and contemptor releasing before Christmas? I can't wait much longer!

Given the fact that it only when book 7 came out did FW release all the 1KS stuff they made up until that point, I'm guessing they wont release the Levi nor any other BA stuff before book 8 drops probably in March.

The only exception I think we may get is Sanguinius because they did release Primarchs in the past before their respective Books came out.

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I maintain that the coloured helmets cannot logically be implemented after the BA became nominally codex-adherent, because the coloured helms by their very nature are codex divergent. Same reason BA don't have company coloured shoulder pad trim, and the more codex adherent Blood Drinkers do, etc.

 

That the codex is a codification of the best tactical doctrines enacted by each of the Legions further cements this - if it's in the codex, then some Legion or other was probably doing it first (Like the Siege Tyrants/Atramentar).

 

Even if it wasn't used by the entire Legion, it had to exist in some form or the other before the codex dropped.

It's long been established that the Codex never said how company and squad types had to be identified, just that they should be. The Black Library Index Astartes (back in what, 3rd ed?) was IIRC first to give examples of Codex chapters with Helmet, knee, chest eagle, etc company identification, and canonized the idea that the codex specifically mentioning varying such identification to confuse recurring opponents
The Blood Angel codices have sort of said otherwise. The prime example would be the same example Xenith used. It's specifically called out as using codex compliant markings as opposed to the BA. Edited by Arkangilos
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BA Leviathan:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Leviathan-Dreadnought-2018

 

BA Contemptor:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Contemptor-Dreadnought-2018

 

BA Mk IV Praetor:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Praetor-2018

 

BA Tartaros Praetor:

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Blood-Angels-Terminator-Praetor-2018

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