Horus Heresy Weekender 2015 news: Book V Tempest

[Conn Eremon]

I'd do the Iron Snakes and go Alpha Legion hunting with them. Gotta hunt those Serpents whether they be astartes or giant serpentine bioforms on an iceworld!

I'm trying real hard to get over being miffed that it wasn't Dorn and actually appreciate Guilliman's mini for what it is. :x

I don't get why people were so sure it would be Dorn.

The string of Imperial Fists releases, the Seminar named "Stone and Iron : Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors", a few tidbits on the first day about Dorn (his chainsword and mustache lol) That and only book 3 Primarchs needing sculpts.

You tell me

Honestly, it seems more like those who want to see Dorn worked themselves up into a froth in expectation. The seminar could have meant Perturabo just as much as it could have meant Dorn, and someone answering a question about Dorn's chainsword doesn't mean anything beyond someone answering a question posed to them.

[Cpt. Lacerus]

 

 

I'm hoping they have info in Tempest on either the Novamarines or Iron Snakes. Most likely the Snakes though. If I can field the precursor Iron Snakes Chapter of the Ultramarines Legion I WILL be buying models.

 

Edit: Beat me to it Slipstreams. I applaud you, sir.

The founder of the Novamarines pops up in Sedition's Gate.

How dare you just tease me with information on Corvo. Give me more info you fool! Seriously, tell me what happened. PM?

[Chapter Master Valrak]

Has anyone got any details that was talked about in this seminar:

 

I'm hearing stuff about Dorn being immune to Chaos.

[Slips]

I'd do the Iron Snakes and go Alpha Legion hunting with them. Gotta hunt those Serpents whether they be astartes or giant serpentine bioforms on an iceworld!

I'm trying real hard to get over being miffed that it wasn't Dorn and actually appreciate Guilliman's mini for what it is. :x

I don't get why people were so sure it would be Dorn.

The string of Imperial Fists releases, the Seminar named "Stone and Iron : Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors", a few tidbits on the first day about Dorn (his chainsword and mustache lol) That and only book 3 Primarchs needing sculpts.

You tell me

Honestly, it seems more like those who want to see Dorn worked themselves up into a froth in expectation. The seminar could have meant Perturabo just as much as it could have meant Dorn, and someone answering a question about Dorn's chainsword doesn't mean anything beyond someone answering a question posed to them.

Ehh I accept that; was looking forward to it too much and placed by bets on who I wanted to see and it played out just like a gamble at a Casino - not in my favor.

Everything else about the event I loved - the Primarch reveal only left me disappointed that I didnt get what I want, oh well. Luckily, Dorn and Guillimans aesthetics (one just wears more gold than the other and even thats debatable..) should be the most similar out of the Primarchs so when we do see a finalized Robute, I'll at least have an idea as to what to expect.

[Brofist]

I'm pretty disappointed, having waited ~2 years for upgrade kits so I can finish my IW squads. Instead they're rolling forward with models that don't even have a book. Fists get better rules and most of their models before us... well, I know exactly how Perturabo felt!

 

You poor guys without rules OR models. That really really sucks. At least Raven Guard got some love, finally. Forgeworld is definitely walking down a road that will disenfranchise people.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

For any of you with an account over on Heresy 30k, there's a Q&A thread with some interesting chatter / background from the Seminars:

 

http://heresy30k.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/2936-horus-heresy-rapid-response-thread/

 

Seemingly Book 6 will  focus also on the Shattered Legions alongside the Shadow Crusade - interestingly the Meduson book is supposed to take place during the Shadow Crusade (could he turn up in book 6?).

 

Apparently John French was discussing some fluff aspects around Iron Hands 'senior Captains' (presumably Iron Lords / Cheiftans) - take from that what you will

[Atia]

http://battlebunnies.blogspot.co.at/2015/02/notes-from-tempest-seminar.html

has also a nice summary of the seminar read it, it's worth it!

[Fire Golem]

Do you mean book 6?

 

Little tidbit I haven't seen mentioned, according to Alan Bligh, the Sokar Stormbird is the smallest pattern. Could explain why it's a bit more Thunderhawk like?

[Conn Eremon]

Mind quoting the relevant bits here? I don't have an account there.

[LongGone]

 

 

 

 

*snip*

Dude tag your spoilers, come on!

Considering how long it's been out versus that Night Lord short by Gav Thorpe, I figured everyone already knew.

I've been waiting for the small paperback to come out. Student budget doesn't like the big books :(

The 'legacy' paperback is out. Picked up my copy about two weeks ago. It's sitting on the shelf in barracks room.

[Atia]

also, it looks like we may get blood angels and dark angels with book 6 .... take it with salt though:

Khall Sithis, 8 February 2015 at 21:31, Battle Bunnies

Sanguinius and Lion due to the whole Imperium Secondus thing. Also a good place to put in the small Thrammas and Signus conflicts. Sorry this was confusing :s

I was not aware of Edgar working on a Primarch, but now I am; my opinion has changed to Simon - Guilliman then Corax as above and Edgar on Perturabo

[Ordo Machinum]

What Would Dorn Have Us Do?

 

‘We presume to feel the hand of destiny on our hearts. We believe we should have our Primogenitor Rogal Dorn lead all of our armies. We believe that we see more clearly than Dorn would, than the Emperor does. Those are the virtues of a traitor.’

 

‘What is that you say? We are no traitors. Do the words sounded fragile in your ears.'

 

‘No? I say our duty is to obey, to accept that which comes to us from the great Forge World of the Emperor. To not accept it is arrogance.’

 

‘Our purpose has been defined for us. We are not humans that have the luxury of choice. We are the Emperor’s warriors. We exist to serve, not to rule our own destinies. Turn away from that truth and we corrupt the illumination we were made to spread. It is not just on which side you fight, it is why.’

 

[yes, these words are paraphrased from our Father, but they do ring true, don't they?]

[Leif Bearclaw]

also, it looks like we may get blood angels and dark angels with book 6 .... take it with salt though:

Khall Sithis, 8 February 2015 at 21:31, Battle Bunnies

Sanguinius and Lion due to the whole Imperium Secondus thing. Also a good place to put in the small Thrammas and Signus conflicts. Sorry this was confusing :s

I was not aware of Edgar working on a Primarch, but now I am; my opinion has changed to Simon - Guilliman then Corax as above and Edgar on Perturabo

No offence to the Angel fans, but I so hope this is BS. Not only are (to my knowledge at least) Signus and Thramas at least on the same approximate scale as Phall and Paramar (and therefore can justify their own book, not being bolted on to what looks to be the Ultras show, for better or worse), but putting yet more Legions before the Sons/Wolves? That leaves all kinds of bitterness in my mouth.

[Daemon2027]

To be honest. I would rather seen the remaining legions and primarchs done right, then Forge World throwing out some half arsed stuff just to make us happy. If the sculptor of primarchs felt that they had a good idea for Gulliman, then I would rather they made him rather then rush though Corax, Alpharius, Purturabo or the yellow guy, to get to him.

 

As for you other Leguons, the Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and Dark Angles are really popular chapters with good plastic kits made by GW, so when your time comes I'm sure you will spoilt immensely, and you will be able to do some special stuff mixing in plastic kits. And the Thousand Sons and White Scars are intresting Legions with a good following so will also get some cool stuff and won't be giving with 3 other legions for release schedule.

 

The fact the Word Bearers are getting more love is promising as it shows that Forge World aren't just going to leave covered legions, so when Thramas comes round maybe the Night Lords will get more, same with the Seige of Terra. And hopefully they will use books like the IVth book to bring us more from the likes of the Salamnders and the Raven Guard who don't feature in the big battles as written.

 

The only Legion I think has sufferd this weekend is the Iron Warrios who have only had the Contemptor and shoulder pads, but it sounds like Bligh has a handle on them, so hopefully they will get love soon. He is the master of this endeavour after all.

[Emperor's Furor]

Noticed from that battlebunnies page that the ultramarines will have a similar unit to the Imperial Fist breacher unit, I hope they have Mk III, Mk IV doesn't do it for me.

[Fire Golem]

 

also, it looks like we may get blood angels and dark angels with book 6 .... take it with salt though:

 

 

 

Khall Sithis, 8 February 2015 at 21:31, Battle Bunnies

Sanguinius and Lion due to the whole Imperium Secondus thing. Also a good place to put in the small Thrammas and Signus conflicts. Sorry this was confusing :s

I was not aware of Edgar working on a Primarch, but now I am; my opinion has changed to Simon - Guilliman then Corax as above and Edgar on Perturabo :)

 

No offence to the Angel fans, but I so hope this is BS. Not only are (to my knowledge at least) Signus and Thramas at least on the same approximate scale as Phall and Paramar (and therefore can justify their own book, not being bolted on to what looks to be the Ultras show, for better or worse), but putting yet more Legions before the Sons/Wolves? That leaves all kinds of bitterness in my mouth.

Phall and Paramar were 'bolted on' to the Isvaan books though... They were just subsections in Extermination, like Signus and Thramas would be in book 6.

 

However I'd say Signus and Thramus are bigger than Phall and Paramar. Although if there's Daemons in book 6, Signus would make sense there.

[Relict]

The Battle of Calth and the Shadow Crusade, finally. 

 

It was definitely unexpected to see Our Spiritual Liege unveiled so early. The Ultramarines upgrade kits look fantastic - hopefully they get released just before at the same time as Book V so I can finally get my Loyalist force started. I am not terribly interested in the airbrush paints (firm believer of the hand brush here) but I do want to see the Master Class books. 

 

You know, I'm far from an Ultramarines fanboy (as the many hacked up Smurf corpses decorating the bases of my World Eaters can attest) but I'm very happy that Forge World is releasing so much information about the Legion in one go - this allows for a more intelligently planned army from the beginning - I'm very much looking forward to starting my Ultramarines (after all, my World Eaters need a worthy enemy to face). 

 

I can understand the frustration coming from the Imperial Fist fans but not seeing your Primarch yet is smoothed over by the fact that you have recently received lots of models specific to your Legion. The folks I truly feel sorry for are the Raven Guard and Iron Warriors fans. 

[Emperor's Furor]

 

 

I'm hoping they have info in Tempest on either the Novamarines or Iron Snakes. Most likely the Snakes though. If I can field the precursor Iron Snakes Chapter of the Ultramarines Legion I WILL be buying models.

 

Edit: Beat me to it Slipstreams. I applaud you, sir.

The founder of the Novamarines pops up in Sedition's Gate.

How dare you just tease me with information on Corvo. Give me more info you fool! Seriously, tell me what happened. PM?

 

 

He leads the defence of a world that's not really important but the Word Bearers still descend just to kill people to power the ruinstorm. He moves to intercept a titan lander and it contains two titans however the first titan is a dead warhound who gets thrown out of it a long with tons of blood, the second however used to be a reaver that has become possessed and now resembles a bronze bull. Anyway the giant bronze bull goes on a rampage and is hard to target with their shadowswords, so they create a trap for it using a giant statue of Konor as a giant club. Anyway he's now famous for killing a titan, he returns to maccragge for a celebration parade, he's called up to receive a victory laurel from the Primarch, Sanguinius and the Lion. He refuses to restate his oaths explaining how his first oath was strong enough and that is all they needed, Guilliman is proud of him, the Lion questions why he is wearing such different attire to the normal ultramarines as he's wearing quarters white and blue, turns out he made a promise to his father as he was the last of his families male line that he would bare it again in future.

 

That's a general run down of it

 

[SillyDreadnought]

 

 

I managed to get a brief and enjoyable chat with Alan Bligh about the Shattered Legions and the Solar Aux as well towards the end of the event.

 

 

Any interesting points?

 

Those of us who are relegated to "shattered legions" would like to know.

The gist of it was that in terms of the narrative, the Shattered Legions still have parts to play in the unfolding Heresy. Some of them are able to muster chapter sized forces ( Autrek Mor was the example given ) but don't have the manpower to take and hold ground in the face of the numerically superior traitors, so they focus on high intensity, rapid strikes instead of trying to garrison. I missed the John French/Meduson stuff so I can't comment on that.

 

Also, the Iron Hands will appear in the eventual Anvilus narrative in some fashion, as well as Tallarn and several other 'nexus' points, I inferred that the Salamanders and Raven Guard would also get similar treatment as that was the only time the Iron Hands were explicitly mentioned, but I could be mistaken or looking too deeply into it.

 

Honestly, what I gleaned from the chat was that we Shattered Legion players aren't out of the Heresy plot wise. And specific Shattered Legion content is something that he'd really like to do as a standalone book, as Conquest simply became too big to have the Knights, Solar Aux, Camapign system, Raid missions ( which were intended to show the new modus operandi of the Shattered Legions ) and the Shattered Legions themselves.

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Finally confirmation that the Iron Hands will turn up at Tallarn - I was really worried they were getting canned in favour of focusing on the Imperial Army vs Iron Warriors

This makes me very happy

[SillyDreadnought]

Basically, Tallarn, like Anvilus and some other places, become conflict 'black holes' that suck in forces, Traitor and Loyalist, in their droves. This includes Shattered Legion forces. We might not have a huge part to play in the events on Tallarn, but Iron Hands do appear there in some fashion.

 

Although I'm putting that together from both the chat with Alan Bligh and the Tallarn seminar, where John French mentioned the Iron Hands off the cuff, alongside the Dark Angels and other loyalist Legions just appearing and helping out.

 

I'm honestly more excited for a dedicated Shattered Legions book where we get to see all sorts of micro narratives covering notable actions. We also discussed the Iron Hands and how they essentially splinter as a Legion, that the Keys of Hel and forbidden technology would become more notable in both the Mechanicum and those Legions allied closely to them, with the Dark Mechanicum going full bonkers daemon tech, so the Loyalists go deep into forbidden tech to keep up.

 

Lots of exciting stuff really!

[Theredknight]

Looks like world eaters will hopefully get a little update in the shadow crusade book then, maybe even angron as a daemon? ( nails representation here in the rank and file)

 

Think the other older ones will get something to bring them into line with the rest?

Thinking the purple perverts seeing as they are probably the ones who devolve so rapidly compared to the rest.

 

Mutants, mutant experiments for all!!

[Raktra]

Now Forge World, give Meduson some rules. Something along the lines of ":cussin' you up with a squad of Fire Raptors: Meduson will totally :cuss you up with a squad of Fire Raptors. Pew pew pew".

[Ishagu]

I am so excited to see Guilliman. The model is looking better than I would have hoped!

 

The Ultramarines concept art, the honour guard, the upgrade kits...

 

Thank you Forgeworld! I don't understand why so many are upset. The Ultramarines -a most venerated Legion and frankly Superior Chapter to any other in 40k have been almost ignored by FW for years! End of the day, Guilliman will outsell Corax, Alpharius and Perturabo combined, and the sculpt is looking incredible.

 

I'm actually going to buy 2. One I paint myself for use in gaming, and one I'll send to a master painter to use as a display piece. Exciting times!

[Lord Tharand]

Well, I do think this thread is a perfect example of why they decided to release Guilliman before the others.  So many people have expressed excitement for him, players I don't see posting much in the 30k forum.  Ultramarines are popular and sell well in 40k.  They're probably banking on that for 30k and hoping to draw in even more players with the bait of the Ultramarine Legion.