IL XIII - The Eagle Warriors

[MikhalLeNoir]

Uhmmm. Doesn't work as Alexos is foind way before Gwal. Because of this he was outraged by gwals calm refusal and teard his mask down. With dire consequences. Nut the points i habe listed are somewhat contrasting. I wanted to poikt oit that alex is next to icarion the figure with the biggest impact in broverse and jis decision.influence so much more. And really? Now hec amd alexos best buddies too? And then they fight for big guns? Rethink?

 

And i had alreDy another motivation for gwal to join the cause of the great crusade. But i ned a reason for him to trust Alexos. Gwal may be somewhat naive but he is no idiot ro trust a maniacal oitcast. I think we should rethink.some.parts so thst the arc is believable.

[AlphariusOmegon108]

Ahh that explains that. That is not too hard to changekin the timeline. Hectarion and Gwal have always been stated as friends, hell, we have even joined this project together in that way. This should have been VERY obvious through this whole project.

 

And like in the timeline, alex is not a complete maniac outcast, he is loved by some, hated by some. This trust between him, azus, hectarion and even a tiny bit dearddd was very real in the first 6 decades of his reunion. This was spoken about in the beginning of the project.

 

The only fault in thee timeline is the alexos-gwal meeting, and I will see to that

Edited July 9, 2016 by AlphariusOmegon108

[AlphariusOmegon108]

How about this?

 

To point it out:

 

Alexos lands on Mexicatii, Sagitarrius lets Alexos under his wing.

 

Alexos is manipulated by sagittarius and starts worshipping gods, he also gets science and matrial arts lessons.

 

Sagittarius dissapears, and 10 days later starts living in Alexos' soul with wards of invisibility. He feeds of all mortal souls nearby (just not much, enough to stay unnoticed)

 

Alexos gets found by the emperor and he comes with him (with some cages etc.. as the emperor kinda steals alexos away). Alexos gets tortured to forget his old self and give up his ways. This breaks him immensely, at some point he meets gwal when still in his torture fase. Alexos was on and off the ship alot of the emperor, as he was send to many EW ships so he could see and meet his sons, and learn how to be a general.

 

Alexos meets Gwal together with the emperor, Alexos "dies"after ripping of Gwal's mask, the emperor revives him and leaves a hole in the soul of alexos by accident. Sagittarius fills this hole and starts his whispers.

 

Gwal feels sorry for Alexos and they become friends because of the mutual feeling of loneliness. They start a decade long campaign together (the first ten years of Alexos as general) and so get to trust each other.

 

Alexos leads his legion for 6 decades, but kinda goed mad because of the voices.

 

Alex is calmed by Gwal

 

Alex is calmed by Icarion

 

Alex is calmed by both(pic in the head)

 

Alex and Azus are combat buddies

 

Alex and Gwal are best buddies

 

Alex and Hectarion have the same view for a long time, so become buddies

 

Alex is a maniac outcast to the rest

 

Alex is a high priest and scientist

 

Alex can do nothing, control is by his army after the 6 decades of his control

 

Alex introduces warrior lodges

 

Alexos starts sending expedition fleets for proof of deamons and the lies of the emperor.

 

Alex and generals are very sneaky about corruption.

 

Alex fights against the quarith

 

Alex is using quarith dna to improve himself and legion

 

Azus is shocked

 

Gwal is not shocked to see his bro with wings

 

Lions claim to have bigger guns so that eagle warriors fight for the title of big guns

 

Eagles are hated through the galaxy, eagles hate the CL as if they are arch enemies.

 

Eagles get rid of all loyal elements over the time, sending them to the front lines, ensuring that only those loyal to alex survive.

 

Warriros lodges start to worship chaos.

 

Day of reveleation: dark ritual -> wardens and still loyal EW are sacrificed and wards are broken

 

 

That the clash with the WoL is later is clear as it s on the day of reveleation ( by the way: big kudos to icarion for planning that out)

[bluntblade]

OK, all those changes I'd suggested were to avoid the "hated throughout the Galaxy" thing. Hence my idea of a hidden segment of the Legion that gradually grows and gives itself over to Chaos, while Takar and his fellows are used to give the idea that the Legion as a whole is utterly loyal.

 

Also, Sim rightly (in my view) vetoed the possibility of Alexos giving himself wings before the Insurrection kicks off. Too many people would flip, to the point that Pionus and Daer'dd would demand the Legion's disbandment. If anything, it should be moves back until he convinces Icarion to pledge himself to Chaos.

Edited July 9, 2016 by bluntblade

[AlphariusOmegon108]

It has been mentioned multiple times now that first a small segment of the legion becomes corrupted secretly and then that slowly flows into the legion.

 

Takar himself was traitor for a while, but in the end he did choose to betray his legion, and help escape the many many loyalist EW.

 

The wings are just a small part, they are there right after the quarith wars. He is able to hide them very well as they are still small, almost no one would notice, except the people who really are close to him. This would keep publication of his gene tests to a minimum, and so cause no upshake in the imperium

Edited July 9, 2016 by AlphariusOmegon108

[bluntblade]

Sim definitely objected to that some time ago. And... just small wings? Well, he might as well not have those.

 

I suggested most of this on the last page and you seemed fine with it then. I just feel that you're taking the Legion in that direction so fast that it makes everyone else look foolish not to realise that something's up.

[AlphariusOmegon108]

I apologize if I insulted anyone, I reallly did not mean to do that

 

The reason of those wings, that even tough they are small, they are later the reason for the deamonic wings for Alexos when he has his ascension, this could ofcourse be removed if you guys really dont agree to it, alexos wil then just randomly grow wings when he ascends.

[bluntblade]

I think the wings as implants are a good idea, I just feel the timing should be altered. Which was the basis of Sim's objection, sorry I didn't explain that but I end up sprinting to keep up with debates sometimes.

 

As I said, my concern is with finding the right balance of drama and plausibility. Hence my preference for Takar being an embittered, betrayed man than an Insurrectionist who gets cold feet - Kozja and Jade cover that base nicely.

[AlphariusOmegon108]

I can change that Takar leaves the legion after the CL incident together with his brigade, these wil first just become renegades, and then become black shields (or what our equivalent is of that) theere would then still be loyalists left in the legion for sacrificing, but also explain how so many EW loyalists survived Edited July 9, 2016 by AlphariusOmegon108

[bluntblade]

OK, the sacrifice issue is probably the biggest problem I have. It just seems way too big a transgression to keep a lid on it. I still favour the option where Takar and co are used as bait and scattered after the Day of Revelation by those they had believed to be brothers. Then they go Blackshield.

 

Takar could be a major factor in earning the trust of other Legions after the bust-up Lions.

[AlphariusOmegon108]

Indeed, we would need to write on that.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Why does he need to sacrifice his loyal sons? In my understanding alexos get rid of them long ago. Using them as human shields and with takar taken flight, i can't see how anyone could survive so long and still serve under alexos. I. Like the idea of takar branded traitor. A bitter, brandished man who searches for his place in the universe. But in the end it is revealed that he wasn't the traitor but alexos

Some reversed luther lion situation ( well some may claim it is the exact same situation^^)

 

About the wings: must be after the quarith triumph and as far as I know they are knew when he met Gwal on the Day of Revelation. So i think Gwal will be surprised. And Azus sees them too as was suggested in a story looooong ago. Damn...we nearly worked a year on the brotherhood.

[AlphariusOmegon108]

Not all die in those years, many becomme prisonners or slaves. They are usefull for possesion and the like

[bluntblade]

I feel we should delay the possession shenanigans. We'll have plenty of room for those later on.

 

The idea that the Loyalists are used as a decoy, not really comprehending how much their Legion is changing, was my attempt at a compromise.

[MikhalLeNoir]

But who would kill his slaves and experiments then? They are already powerless and stripped from the legion.they are already used as sacrifices. Why emphasizing on the matter. I cpuld see that abord alexos ship the dark priests kill them to infuse alex with power. Then they get to the wardens. Something like a kickstart. But as mentioned. Or how did you envisioned the sacrifice?

 

@Blunt: A decoy for what?

Edited July 9, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir

[AlphariusOmegon108]

I think he means decoy more like meat for the meatgrinder

I will post later on the sacrificing

[bluntblade]

But who would kill his slaves and experiments then? They are already powerless and stripped from the legion.they are already used as sacrifices. Why emphasizing on the matter. I cpuld see that abord alexos ship the dark priests kill them to infuse alex with power. Then they get to the wardens. Something like a kickstart. But as mentioned. Or how did you envisioned the sacrifice?

 

@Blunt: A decoy for what?

All on the previous page. In brief, my idea was the Loyalists would be kept in the dark by Alexos and essentially pass for the Legion as a whole, so they would continue to be seen favourably by most of the Imperium. Then, when the Day of Revelation comes they are already mingling with the Wardens of Light when the "real" Eagle Warriors attack.

[MikhalLeNoir]

But what speak against the "real" eagle warriors using deception? Wouldn't it be a real massive feat to have a big number of the legion kept in the dark while a massive number is essentially evil? Wouldn't be far easier to kill the loyalists off and brand those who escape the meat grinder traitors? I mean what speaks against the evil eagles to pass as loyalists? The word bearers did the same.

[bluntblade]

It spun off from the whole secret cloning stuff AO had come up with; I was thinking this could be a way for us to see that serving a purpose beyond more marines.

 

Minimal contact, gradual wearing down. It really depends how many of the Eagle Warriors choose to follow a father who seems to hate them; they don't seem to have the unquestioning loyalty of the Word Bearers, nor do they have Lorgar to convince them.

Edited July 9, 2016 by bluntblade

[Sigismund229]

Um...what's going on? How much of the already written fluff do I need to change?

[bluntblade]

We don't know yet. This is the trying-to-disentangle-everything stage.

 

I'm not adding anything I didn't already run by Alpharius, for the sake of clarity.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Neither do I.

 

We need a clear oversight of everything to be sure.

 

But i like your take on the clone marines. But how hide the fact? Of course the loyalists could question how all those "new" brothers appear and why alexos is sending the veterans always to the melting pot.

[bluntblade]

I was trying to avoid the veterans all being stuck in the melting pot. How about the cloning is done far from the Eagle Warriors' domain, in locations controlled by Abyssii?

[MikhalLeNoir]

But the abyssii are.loyalists. isn't cloning forbidden? Then morthera wouldn't attempt it.

[bluntblade]

Damnit, wrong faction. Which one does Xander lead?