Black Book - Insurrection (PUBLISHED)

[simison]

The Vizenko Prosecution

Pro-Genetics
Kozja (Wants to create the One True Legion)
Jade General (Wants to create Pariahs)
Alexos Travier (Cloning Marines)
Sorrowsworn Morro (Improve Astartes)
Raktra (Better Astartes)

Neutral/Undecided
Koschei

Gwalchavad

Yuchau

K'awil

Pro-Purity
THE EMPEROR!
Alexandros VonSalim
Pionus Santor 
Daer'dd Niimkiika (against gene-manipulation, but encourages heavy tech-manipulation)
Hectarion Mycenor
Azus

Jackel

 

 

Here's the updated list. Only 4 Primarchs are unaccounted for.

 

 

Hesh, to address some parts of your wall o' text. The Prosecution has the Emperor presiding over it. It occurs in the brief window of time where Alex is Warmaster, but the Emperor hasn't returned to Terra. Morro revealing his 'corruption' at this point is a suicidal idea.

 

Also, as far as the Molech-Emperor-secret idea from Black Library, I'm ditching it. I didn't like it in the BL novel, and am going with the traditional fluff that the Emperor is able to create the Primarchs on his own without Chaos shenanigans. 

 

I'm hip with the talk of a Neptune exemplary battle.

[Praefectus Invictus]

In case I didn't mention this earlier, Willym was against the use of genetic modification and would've stood with the Pro-Purity side of things.

[Chief Captain Redd]

As far as the Prosecution goes, I'd like offer up Daer'dd in the roll of a pro purity aggressor whom is a hypocrite, as he no issue altering his sones with tech and iron, but to touch the Astartes gene code without the Emperor's blessing is veritable heresy to him. Putting Daer'dd effectively in the Russ roll at Nikaea.

[simison]

The Vizenko Prosecution

 

During the brief interim period when Alexandros was settling into his new role as Warmaster, but the Emperor had not returned to Terra, the Emperor sought to resolve a growing conflict that threatened Imperial Unity. From the beginning, the Great Crusade sought to cleanse humanity of the foul mutations that had infected it. The pure human form was to be restored to its rightful place as as the reigning ideal for what was or was not human. Abhumans, with some exceptions, were terminated to preserve the genetic purity that was Mankind's birthright. Yet, a challenge grew against this foundational aspect of the Imperium. 

 

A call began that merely returning to past roots was short-sighted. Why restore when one could improve? Perhaps it was inevitable when one remembers the elites' infatuation with juvenat treatments, the Mechanicum's endless attempts at mechanical immortality, and even the creation of the space marines that showed what power could be coaxed from within humanity's genome. The loudest and strongest voices for this dissent came from five of the Emperor's sons: Kozja Darzalas, Alexos Travier, Raktra Akarro, Sorrowsworn Morro, and the Jade General.

[Grifftofer]

That looks good to me :) Just wondering if you are in a position to give me chapter 1? I don't mind making changes to it later if needed and I can stick it in a pdf for people to read through so we can get some more eyes on it if you like.

[simison]

That looks good to me Just wondering if you are in a position to give me chapter 1? I don't mind making changes to it later if needed and I can stick it in a pdf for people to read through so we can get some more eyes on it if you like.

 

I was waiting for Sigismund to finish his run through my material, but if you're willing to take over the editing process, I can have the material consolidated and sent to you tonight or tomorrow.

[Sigismund229]

Sorry about how slowly I'm moving with the editing. As ever, real life has a habit of getting in the way

[Grifftofer]

Not to worry Sigismund, I just happen to be relatively free currently so I thought I could try and help out.

 

simison: Anytime when you have a chance, really. It doesn't have to be immediately.

[simison]

It's fine, Sigi. I've had to take a break due to some RL issues recently.

 

Grifft, I'll get started on it after today's classes.

[Raktra]

I'll start writing my stuff for book 2 this weekend. Sorry I've been pretty useless as of late.

[simison]

It's alright, Raktra. You're not useless. Before you start on Book 2, could you post your legion rules here? Since we don't have to reconstruct the standard legion units, I think that space could be better served by featuring all of the legion special rules.

[Kelborn]

Will the Knights be featured as well?

 

If yes, in which book?

As far as I can see, the planned books seem filled enough with the Legions, etc.

 

If not, shall we / I write a supplement? As the rules won't change except the eventual caged psykers, it would just be a fluff thing or not?

 

What do you think?

[simison]

The question is spacing and pacing. We might be able to fit in the Knights in one of the Chaos-focused books, but I'm not sure if we can. For now, write like you're making a separate supplement to BotL. If we do have room, we'll adapt and fit you in. If not, then you'll have already made plenty of progress.

[Kelborn]

Makes sense. Seems like there is nothing more to say except:

 

Challenge accepted! :D

[simison]

Actually, thinking about it, do we want to move the other non-legion organizations into a separate supplement? We do have a couple of Frater who are concerned about how many books we're featuring. This could be a good compromise: allow new members more room & to unleash their creativity without being constrained by a legion viewpoint, and allow the legions to focus on getting the core books out. 

 

Thoughts?

[Demus Ragnok]

That works for me.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Ao we have a book for knights, grand council, abyssi and dark mech?

Worka for me. But which book would it be? Or should they be smaller supplements added when needed?

[Hesh Kadesh]

Honestly? I'd rather keep it all in one. If I'm being honest, the length isn't an issue, IMHO, provided we have the content to put in. If we split it off, we end up with a Book II/III situation, where the information in the two books felt a bit like filler stuff added in extraneously. This is a fan produced thing, which is outside of the need to print off or provide leather bound books, and provide a full cost/analysis and need for mark up so that we aren't constrained too much to making sure that every little page squeezes out its full potential. 

 

Looking at Book IV, we have a Knight House, I'm using Orhlacc here (those who are familiar might recognise why the Drowned have a certain proclivity ;D)

 

1. Red Page; Half page taken up by heraldry, brief boxout detailing house information, opening paragraph.

2. background of house, full page

3. Continued, 3/4 page

4. Material Strength, detailing knight armours and numbers 1/2 page

5. Colour Plate of a Knight Armour, full page

6. continued, showcase heraldry, top down, full page

7. Colour Plate 2, full page

8. continued, showcase heraldry, top down, full page

 

So, that's 8 pages for a Knight House. 4 of which are lacking in depth info, and a 5th of which is only a brief introduction, with around 2-2.5 pages of actual full blown information regardinging it.

 

Legions might afford a bit more, and there need not necessarily be the same amount of colour plates within due to the amount of work needed to get those images in. 

 

Rather than splitting it off and have it feel a bit like an "expansion", why not just include it all within? 8 or less pages is nothing, especially when it's mostly just 2-3 pages of writing. That said, if we can't come up with 2-3 pages of writing for it, then perhaps it isn't worthwhile including within the story. 

[Chief Captain Redd]

I can go either or on this, I can agree with Hesh depending on how much of an Army list there is for the Abssyi/Dark Mech/Navigators/etcetera there is, and we could spread them out between the books based on the Allies they have.

 

But, that being I can also see the argument for a stand alone book for the background of famous or infamous non Astartes forces of the Insurrection. Plus as the Astartes forces are more fleshed out at this point, if we did a stand alone book, more time could be taken to do a stand alone.

[simison]

So, we have two votes for it, one draw, and one opposed. Grifft, I'd especially like to hear your thoughts on this subject since you're the one who'll be transcribing the pages into pdf form.

 

I'd also like to hear from Talonair, since he's the other who's most affected by this decision.

[Kelborn]

Whatever it will be, I'll be fine with it. :)

[simison]

While I'm waiting to hear from the others, I need some info to write out the next section. 

 

Here, I'm going to delve into the philosophies/rationales of the 5 Primarchs who support gene modification. This is the outline:

 

[Jade General's section]

 

[Hesh's piece on Pariahs]

 

[Morro's section]

 

[Alexo's section]

 

[Raktra's section]

 

[Kozja's section]

 

From Kozja's section, I'll transition into the Prosecution itself. But, what I need to write out these sections are the ideas these Primarchs are operating from. Obviously, I know where the Jade General is coming from so I'll probably get that done today. But, the others I need help with. We already have the brief blurbs when it outlined the Prosecution's sides, but any more information will make it easier on me to write them out.

[Raktra]

General outline for the Berserkers will be based around their ability to see people's anatomies. They can see where an improvement could go etc., that and their whole schtick with weakness.

[Grifftofer]

So, we have two votes for it, one draw, and one opposed. Grifft, I'd especially like to hear your thoughts on this subject since you're the one who'll be transcribing the pages into pdf form.

 

I'd also like to hear from Talonair, since he's the other who's most affected by this decision.

Honestly it doesn't make too much difference to me either way, as I'll be working on essentially the same number of pages regardless. And with the page templates mostly ready it's mostly a case of reformatting the text to fit and checking the layout.

 

Also I've put together the first chapter into a pdf for people to look through. I've not had as much time this weekend to read through things as I hoped so there will be missed bits and pieces, but more eyes are always better at spotting these kinds of things. This is also a good opportunity for you guys to give me some feedback on how you think it looks. Do the columns need more space between them, should the format drop to 2 columns rather than 3... All these things will help me to refine things as we work through them to hopefully make a better end document. Anyway here's the link:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7flsffwc2z09mem/BotL%20Book%201-%20Insurrection.pdf?dl=0

 

A couple of things to note. I'm following the FW style of layout so there are quite a lot of blank pages in the beginning. Also on what is labelled as page 1 (page 5 of the pdf) there will be a central image with a short quote underneath, but I haven't got either of those things yet so... Also if you could check that the links I've added into the contents page work that would be great. I've only put in ones for the Preface and the first chapter, as that's all there is so far, but if they work I'll make the whole thing linked through there.

[MikhalLeNoir]

Oh man. Forgot to revise the dawn if the imperium section.

 

I know fw has it the same way. But giving the the text blocktext would look better. And how about an legend were all the homeplanets and the legions are listed by the map?