The Ashen Crows | Fall of the 11th legion

[TheAshenCrow]

Very cool, the purple lightnings and dots look awesome while it is still in the line of the rest of the army thanks to the orange. It would be great to see a group shot even though to see how it really looks!

Thanks, I plan to do a group shot once my ablaze squad is painted up. at the moment there are just to many characters to squads haha

[TheAshenCrow]

 

Thought I would share a group shot of the priamarch and 2 of the ablaze commanders.

[The Traitor]

What a magnificent thing to behold! Now in all seriousness they look great together!

[TheAshenCrow]

So I've spent about 2 years trying to create a missing legion and over this time I've learnt a lot about the process.
Annoyingly when I started there is very little to guide you other than what other people have done which made the process very slow and difficult.

 

I want to create a guide for people new to the missing legion community and give them a good outline on how to create and develop there own legions. 

Though i'm far from the most experienced (that going to the lightning bearers and the Brotherhood of the Lost community) I have a lot of knowledge on the don'ts.

 

What do you guys think? what sort of things would you want to see explained?

Edited February 7, 2017 by TheAshenCrow

[The Traitor]

I like a lot your idea brother, the Forgotten and the Purged Master Guide! When starting my legion something I found quite difficult was to not be too similar to any other legion, as I found that a lot of interesting topics were already picked, so maybe something about that could be written. You have all my support on this, be sure to pm me if you need anything!

[TheAshenCrow]

I had a fantastic conversion with someone (annoyingly forgot his name) about my missing legion for a good 3 hours at my local Games workshop. It's really helped my develop the lore for the legion and really made me think about aspects I hadn't before.

I've made some changes to the legions lore accordingly, though only slight changes they will really improve the quality of the lore.

A missing legion project is always evolving and if you are trying to create your own don't be afraid to be criticised or to make changes.

[TheAshenCrow]

VERSION 1 IS DONE.
Mine and Dylan Romero Missing Legion Guide.

This document should hopefully give you a good understanding of how to tackle a missing legion project and the various steps involved. Remember that this is just based of mine and Dylan's experience so you may find you will do thing differently. Any Feedback would be much appreciated

https://docs.google.com/document/d/155b6R46jc2iQ24cPXM4TbGywm5ofC1o9K1_zYT6euoE/edit

[The Traitor]

Wow, you've ended up doing some great work! It will be a very helpful guide for people aiming to start a missing legion, I wish I had had this kind of thinng when I started mine!

[MikhalLeNoir]

Well done. Was a good read. You might add some of the things Athrawes told in the last age of darkness podcast. But very good paper to base your army from.

 

One point to add maybe: ( I might habe overread it thx to insomnia^^)

 

ASK FOR HELP, friends, fellow fraters etc. Don't be shy. And do the.legion for yourself, not to gain attention on a forum. You should totally stand behind it and it should reflect your ideas, but always be open for critic.and suggestions.

Edited February 21, 2017 by MikhalLeNoir

[TheAshenCrow]

Well done. Was a good read. You might add some of the things Athrawes told in the last age of darkness podcast. But very good paper to base your army from.

 

One point to add maybe: ( I might habe overread it thx to insomnia^^)

 

ASK FOR HELP, friends, fellow fraters etc. Don't be shy. And do the.legion for yourself, not to gain attention on a forum. You should totally stand behind it and it should reflect your ideas, but always be open for critic.and suggestions.

Thanks a lot.

I did mention that in the conclusion, at the end of the day it's your hobby do what you find fun.

 

If you don't could you pass on the guide to the rest of the brotherhood of the lost. You guys were a big inspiration for my missing legion project and I'd love to get some feedback from people further on in the project than I am.

[MikhalLeNoir]

See. Insomnia^^

 

 

I will forward it. You could have put some more photos of primarchs into it, mine were missing^^.

 

Edit: Started a call for action in the losts general secundus thread

 

 

Edit the 2nd: Have you considered releasing the guide on other boards like heresy30k amd dakka as well?

Edited February 21, 2017 by MikhalLeNoir

[Sigismund229]

One thing I'd add in to that guide is don't try to make your legion do too much. For an example, the Iron Warriors are siege experts. That defines their entire outlook on the world and warfare. Sieges and attrition are at the core of the legion so they are not also going to be rapid assault specialists. That's something I initially tried to do with my Crimson Lions znd it just ended up as "they are this...and this...and this too". It jist ends up diluting your legion's key theme, unless they're a jack of all trades legion lile the ultras or DA, in whivh case they nees to lose out to the legions who specialize in those fields but win overall due to greater flexibility.

 

It all comes down to what you want their central strategoes to be. So my Crimson Lions are awesome whn using their shield wall but most definitely can't(these days) do armoured or recon warfare.

[TheAshenCrow]

See. Insomnia^^

 

 

I will forward it. You could have put some more photos of primarchs into it, mine were missing^^.

 

Edit: Started a call for action in the losts general secundus thread

 

 

Edit the 2nd: Have you considered releasing the guide on other boards like heresy30k amd dakka as well?

Thanks a lot. I have planned to start up pages on those platforms soon but I have been quite busy with the guide to set them up haha.

 

One thing I'd add in to that guide is don't try to make your legion do too much. For an example, the Iron Warriors are siege experts. That defines their entire outlook on the world and warfare. Sieges and attrition are at the core of the legion so they are not also going to be rapid assault specialists. That's something I initially tried to do with my Crimson Lions znd it just ended up as "they are this...and this...and this too". It jist ends up diluting your legion's key theme, unless they're a jack of all trades legion lile the ultras or DA, in whivh case they nees to lose out to the legions who specialize in those fields but win overall due to greater flexibility.

 

It all comes down to what you want their central strategoes to be. So my Crimson Lions are awesome whn using their shield wall but most definitely can't(these days) do armoured or recon warfare.

Good point didn't think about that. I will have to revisit the guide and add that, thanks for the feedback.

[Pearson73]

Commanders look great, especially the purple accent to Aiken.

[simison]

 

VERSION 1 IS DONE.

Mine and Dylan Romero Missing Legion Guide.

 

This document should hopefully give you a good understanding of how to tackle a missing legion project and the various steps involved. Remember that this is just based of mine and Dylan's experience so you may find you will do thing differently. Any Feedback would be much appreciated

 

 

 

 

 

I appreciate the shout-out to the Brotherhood of the Lost. It's encouraging to know that our hard and lengthy efforts aren't going unnoticed. There's only one revision I would suggest for the current guide. It's not necessary for a Lost Legion to not have any impact on 40k. GW has made it clear that there are chapters who aren't unsure of their roots and could potentially be from Lost Legions or keep secret that they are from Lost Legions for one reason or another. So, as long as someone was careful not to conflict with current lore or make 'super-awesome-marines', I see no reason why a Lost Legion project couldn't 'end' with a DIY chapter quietly based on that legion. 

 

For more positive feedback, I've done quite a bit in analysis for writing a FW-style chapter for a Lost Legion and came up with some systems for creating legion-specific rules. If you'd think they'd be helpful, I'd happily share what I've learned over the years. 

[Kelborn]

Agree with Simison.

 

A couple of my DIY chapters were originally lost legion descendants.

My current work, the Warbeasts, are my atempt of writing them in such a neutral form that it can be used in both, canon and botl universe.

 

And thanks to FW implementing black shields, you already got a decent way to go with for 40k. :)

 

Your guide looks really great. Will download and read it bevor Inferno arrives. ;)

[TheAshenCrow]

One thing I'd add in to that guide is don't try to make your legion do too much. For an example, the Iron Warriors are siege experts. That defines their entire outlook on the world and warfare. Sieges and attrition are at the core of the legion so they are not also going to be rapid assault specialists. That's something I initially tried to do with my Crimson Lions znd it just ended up as "they are this...and this...and this too". It jist ends up diluting your legion's key theme, unless they're a jack of all trades legion lile the ultras or DA, in whivh case they nees to lose out to the legions who specialize in those fields but win overall due to greater flexibility.

 

It all comes down to what you want their central strategoes to be. So my Crimson Lions are awesome whn using their shield wall but most definitely can't(these days) do armoured or recon warfare.

I kind of touched on that when talking about not making your primarch overpowered but thats a good point I will expand on that when I revisit the guide. 

 

 

 

VERSION 1 IS DONE.

Mine and Dylan Romero Missing Legion Guide.

 

This document should hopefully give you a good understanding of how to tackle a missing legion project and the various steps involved. Remember that this is just based of mine and Dylan's experience so you may find you will do thing differently. Any Feedback would be much appreciated

 

 

 

 

 

I appreciate the shout-out to the Brotherhood of the Lost. It's encouraging to know that our hard and lengthy efforts aren't going unnoticed. There's only one revision I would suggest for the current guide. It's not necessary for a Lost Legion to not have any impact on 40k. GW has made it clear that there are chapters who aren't unsure of their roots and could potentially be from Lost Legions or keep secret that they are from Lost Legions for one reason or another. So, as long as someone was careful not to conflict with current lore or make 'super-awesome-marines', I see no reason why a Lost Legion project couldn't 'end' with a DIY chapter quietly based on that legion. 

 

For more positive feedback, I've done quite a bit in analysis for writing a FW-style chapter for a Lost Legion and came up with some systems for creating legion-specific rules. If you'd think they'd be helpful, I'd happily share what I've learned over the years. 

 

 

No problem, I've been following your project for a while now, I've always loved seeing missing legions so finding an entire group of them was great.

I was quite annoyed when I found out you had a place had been going in the brotherhood of the lost but was filled up before I even knew about it haha.

I've never been the biggest fan of 40k so I dont know to much of the lore. I will have to do more research into it so I can suggest that.

Also the part i'm struggling with creating rules and points for my legion so If possible i'd love some help.

 

[simison]

 

 

 

No problem, I've been following your project for a while now, I've always loved seeing missing legions so finding an entire group of them was great.

I was quite annoyed when I found out you had a place had been going in the brotherhood of the lost but was filled up before I even knew about it haha.

I've never been the biggest fan of 40k so I dont know to much of the lore. I will have to do more research into it so I can suggest that.

Also the part i'm struggling with creating rules and points for my legion so If possible i'd love some help.

 

 

That is one of my greatest regrets with the Brotherhood of the Lost. We have to turn people away who come up with all of these neat Lost Legion ideas. That includes the two times we were forced to replace one of the legions. The good news is that will change when we move from the Legion era to the Order (Chapter) era. 

 

Heh, by far, that seems to be one of my skills in most demand. Maybe I should start charging for it. Until that day, I can definitely offer some help. The biggest limit will be time, so I can't promise how quickly I'll reply to questions.

[TheAshenCrow]

WIP Ablaze

So after being a bit hobbied out with creating the guide I've finally gotten round to doing some work on one of my legion units: The Ablaze. what do you think so far?

[MikhalLeNoir]

I think: BURN!!!

[The Traitor]

As always your colour scheme looks great on him, I specially like that only one side of his body has the "lava cracks", making the orange on the PF stand out even more, glad to see that you came back!

[TheAshenCrow]

Whats that? More Ablaze
 

The Squad is almost finished, one more guy then need to do the basing.

[TheAshenCrow]

The Ablaze Are Finished!!!!

 

[Claws and Effect]

Nice!

 

I've been somewhat following your progress and I dig both the paint scheme and the fluff.

[The Traitor]

Your colour scheme really looks good in units, the Ablaze were awesome conversions but painted they're stunning!