Kol Saresk Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 The release dates have been a year between Books 1 and 2, 8 months between 2 and 3, 7 months between 3 and 4, 7 months between 4 and 5, 10 months between 5 and 6, and finally 13 months between 6 and 7. If I remember the math for averages right, that's an average of 9.5 months between releases. That would be December-January, which are months none of the books have been released in. More than likely, unless Forgeworld really hauled butt, February or next March would be the earliest we should expect to see Angelus. If they really hauled butt, then October or November are a couple of other months they release books in, which would only be 7-8 months after Inferno. So it could be this year, but I'd look forward to early next year. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4722749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I think it very safe to assume that right now, Angelus, Imperial Armour etc are all benched as FW need to go about re-issuing rules for everything that's currently in 40K in time for launch day - they don't have any alternative seeing as soon as 8th drops everything in every Imperial Armour book currently in print is invalid. And without rules, that means no one is buying the models to game with so they can't afford a single day without those being out in the wide world. HH has a bit of a grace period because they need to sit down and work out how the new rules in place will affect the balance of the game they put in place which is a more time intensive investment. As far as Angelus goes, whether it's loaded for 7th or 8th is up for debate right now, I'd imagine that the content being worked on would be the background/story elements rather than units/points etc purely as they already have a baseline for the LA rules for the DA/BA/NL and daemons are daemons. Not saying they wouldn't make tweaks but the stuff they'd be doing from the ground up would take precedence, also giving them time to make a decision on how the units inside are going to be utilised in terms of their profiles/points cost. I wouldn't expect to see it this year (if 8th wasn't dropping I think it would have) but given the edition change is incoming and (to outward appearances) FW haven't been told (again) then that's likely to bump the workflow back a couple of months, especially since Vol VIII will need a similar size print run to Inferno (yeah DA/BA aren't probably quite as popular as SW but the interest in this book will be huge) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4722777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 It makes no sense to write books for an abandoned system. And we all know how slow is FW. Let's get real. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 It makes no sense to write books for an abandoned system. And we all know how slow is FW. Let's get real. The fact that they are slow is the problem. They probably learned too late in the planning stages that 8th was going to drop and couldn't steer the titanic away from the iceberg. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I really doubt they did not know about 8th from the get go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Which is probably why we havent had an FAQ in a while. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 ^Yup. Or why the rules section in Inferno is a mess but the fluff sections felt pretty clean (anecdotal, but it felt like there were less typos than usual). Or why Fires of Cyraxus seems to have been shelved for a long while now. Or why at the '17 Weekender, they said they hadn't really started on HH Book 8 beyond the art design. I bet FW has known for a while. The real question is how long they've actually been working with the new rules system, or when they were allowed to start looking at it... It means Adeptus Titanicus may find a release slot this year though, as long as they've sorted out what models might be in plastic. It's on a different rules system and its production shouldn't be affected by the 8E switch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 If the info on playtests for 8th is anything to go by, they've been going on since at least Adepticon if not the LVO so roughly around Inferno's official release. So, with lead times for products, we can assume that this has been in production since 2016 if we're being generous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 To me Inferno was an amazing undertaking. It is easy to throw some stones but I say "Great job !" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 It's easy to throw stones when one primarch needs a gentleman's agreement on the psychic tree to roll on, wolves have some bad editing, and custodes having worse editing and missing war gear. This gets compounded when they pushed the book back for so long due to "balance reasons". Is the consensus now that FW just threw their hands up in the air and stopped caring after they pushed it back by 3 books? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1000 Sons Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I'm sure there was talk to push Inferno back again and have it a proper 8th edition release. In the short run though it did push a lot of sales, but the rules were all over the place, it's probably one of the fastest out dated books Fw has released. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I think they had just come too far. I'm sure it was meant to be out with the prospero box so if that did happen, it would of added another 4/5 months to its shelf life. But by this point they had come to far so obviously still had to release it in Feb Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 What does infernos release date have to do with us not having to use Age of Sigmarine rules? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4723771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionnaire of the VIIth Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 What does infernos release date have to do with us not having to use Age of Sigmarine rules? Nothing. I believe the point was people who purchased it would have gotten more value out of the book because the book would have been released 4/5 month longer before the rules were rendered obsolete. More potential games with the rules over a longer time period versus what we will have gotten when HH actually moves to 8th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4724051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 What does infernos release date have to do with us not having to use Age of Sigmarine rules? Nothing. I believe the point was people who purchased it would have gotten more value out of the book because the book would have been released 4/5 month longer before the rules were rendered obsolete. More potential games with the rules over a longer time period versus what we will have gotten when HH actually moves to 8th. Which is weird since they're complaining about the proof editing, blah blah blah. So really, they'd just have four to five months of complaining and moaning more than anything. Especially if all Forgeworld is doing now is just transferring to 8th. So really it's just the usual "It's not fair!" that's been going on since Betrayal was released in 2012 with only 4 Legions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4724135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 What does infernos release date have to do with us not having to use Age of Sigmarine rules? Nothing. I believe the point was people who purchased it would have gotten more value out of the book because the book would have been released 4/5 month longer before the rules were rendered obsolete. More potential games with the rules over a longer time period versus what we will have gotten when HH actually moves to 8th. Which is weird since they're complaining about the proof editing, blah blah blah. So really, they'd just have four to five months of complaining and moaning more than anything. Especially if all Forgeworld is doing now is just transferring to 8th. So really it's just the usual "It's not fair!" that's been going on since Betrayal was released in 2012 with only 4 Legions. ^^ This ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4724461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I was merely stating facts, I haven't even bought the book Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4724529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 It's a shame, I think, 30K in 7th worked pretty well without most of the issues of 40K in the same edition, so I would have appreciated having a complete FW ruleset for it. I guess that was never possible though, since I had overlooked Scars not being in there. And yes, book 7 is a mess but I buy those books for the art and background anyway. Whenever Angelus is released, that part will be the same quality, so I guess the functional crunch doesn't matter as much. Sucks for those three Legions not to have their Primarchs or unique units, though. I guess someone has to be left holding the poo-end of the stick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4724538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Any bets about the book coming up with the First Legion in it? 7th edition or 8th? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4724553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 8th Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4724639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionnaire of the VIIth Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I'm betting 8th, if they plan on going full on 8th (which I assume they will), there is no incentive for them to publish another book in 7th. For everyone that wants it in 7th so that they can ignore the existence of 8th there will be people who are annoyed that it was rendered obsolete do to 8th and have to buy another book for the 8th edition rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4724662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I was partially trolling. Couldn't help myself. Now I'm iffy of the answers of 8th. While so far I like what I've read about 8th, sounds good to me, I'm not sure I like the First legion in the first book using 8th edition rules in 30K. I actually feel bad for the earlier armies that'll have to wait I hope they don't have to wait too long. I know some people will be really annoyed with the wait. Hopefully the formula they're using for 8th will make for an easy update for the earlier army books. Heck I'm sure it's frustrating to the FW staff as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4725002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 All they have to do is first release a couple red books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4725059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionnaire of the VIIth Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 I don't think it will really be a case of the them being the first but being the first black book. They will probably do with HH what they are doing with 40k and will release a new edition of red books putting them into 8th edition before or along side the release of Book VIII (should my assumptions prove to be correct). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4725066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fangbanger Posted April 29, 2017 Share Posted April 29, 2017 most of the vehicles will be done due to having access in 40k. also mk4 marines etc... are available in 40k so stats will be done, it's just the Legion rules and any 30k specific rules. Obvs mechanicum and Auxilia too will take a bit of time I have a feeling they woukd have been working on it for a bit and with the 40k team more than in the past. The GW machine is so much different these days that I just can't see them having this "them and us" divide anymore Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/6/#findComment-4725167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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