BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 People may have missed it scrolling to the model pictures but today's WHC says: "Since the new edition of Warhammer 40,000 was announced, we’ve had questions about the future of the Horus Heresy game. Warhammer 40,000 models from Forge World, as we already know, will get full rules for the new edition, but what about those games set in the bloody time of the Age of Darkness? Well, we can let you all know today, Forge World will be talking about the future of Horus Heresy games at Warhammer Fest this year." Wait, what?I thought they get 8th rules and that's about it. In a perfect world they'd get full 7th rules for ALL Legions with all units +THE EMPERAAA and THEN they'll get converted rules. We all know this will never happen so why keep beating a dead horse ?! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4726789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I'm crossing my fingers hoping that the online red books get a free update :O Go go gadget customer service! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4726833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 I'd assume the digital ones will... Otherwise there will just be a pdf for everything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4726860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 So, me having bought LA:AODL in both physical AND digital wont come to bite me in the ass and will instead be a "Just as planned *glances around nervously*" type scenario? Possibly? Cool. Otherwise.... Awww. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4726874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Withershadow Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 The physical definitely will, but you knew that when you bought it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4726888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghorgul Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Moving to 8ed is good imo. And to be honest, wishing that they would stay with 7th Ed. is a pipe dream, there is already an precedent case of edition change (6th to 7th) and Horus Heresy has always been built up as a supplemental game to 40k, not as a 'stand-alone' game that just happens to use 40k rules. A thought did occur to me about the new vehicle rules: If the vehicles become much more robust than they are now, for example land raiders and spartan, this might cause problems for some legions. Also the different rules for melee are welcome, that thing of having your whole squad swept due to few bad rolls is brutal. Essentially having a few bad rolls in fight and thus ending up losing the fight after which you get unlucky with the Ld test and watch 300-400 point unit get swept of the table. I'm saying this because sometimes I get notoriously unlucky with my rolls, and too much of random effect really kills the enjoyment for me sometimes. This is also why in general in board games I like so-called "Euro-games" where random effects are minimized and the outcome depends on your and your opponent's decisions. Games with more random effects are generally more casual, but lets be honest, you can't expect people to play only casually a wargame where they spend considerable amounts of time, money and effort to plan and build an army - Just to see your beloved toy army getting obliterated because few unlucky streaks of rolls. To me the 8th Ed. looks like it's taking out some random effects, or more like taking out the most grievous instances of random effects, such as getting your whole squad swept after only 1-2 casualties. And this is a welcome change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4727369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 So, me having bought LA:AODL in both physical AND digital wont come to bite me in the ass and will instead be a "Just as planned *glances around nervously*" type scenario? Possibly? Cool. Otherwise.... Awww. We don't know for sure if they'll get updated. But hey, the Crimson Slaughter and Black Legion digital books got updated after a few years of release so who knows! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4727411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 They didn't update them with anything but formations, which, as far as I'm concerned, is a downgrade. It's pretty clear that 8th is going to come to HH at some point. As for vehicles, don't be worried; going by the dreads statline lascannons will annihilate vehicles Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 They didn't update them with anything but formations, which, as far as I'm concerned, is a downgrade. It's pretty clear that 8th is going to come to HH at some point. As for vehicles, don't be worried; going by the dreads statline lascannons will annihilate vehicles I don't really see it that way. Going by the dread stat line, It can no longer be one shot (huge plus) and you will need slightly above average rolls to 2 shot it, which takes it to 3 wounds before saves. Which is a great increase in survivability compared to now with 3 HP - at worst it's the same, at best it's much tougher. Lascannons being -3 to saves also means 3+ or better get a save against regardless of cover. I would cautiously say that vehicles will be in better shape than they currently are, especially with the damage table presumably going away. No more getting immobilized with your melee dreads! That is of course as long as they have proper amounts of toughness, wounds and saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Heavy Weapons having the -1 to shooting if moved as opposed to snap shooting excites me though as it means if my opponent doesnt want to let me infiltrate my Sniper Recon squad in an Orbital Assault list (which in my opinion feels damn fluffy and I don't see why Infiltrators weren't allowed as standard) I can pod them in the one I've paid for and not have them be absolutely useless for a turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 The more we find out about 8th the more excited I get for it , and the more excited I am to see how Forgeworld adapts its rules to suit the game as it changes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Had a good chat about the upcoming changes with a GW Store Manager the other day. He obviously has a bias, but I found it a very positive conversation! :) We discussed the issues with 40k currently, such as Independent Character shenanigans (Deathstars), Psychic phase, internet "wisdom", etc. What I found interesting was that neither of us disliked Formations, just when they're abused with the other issues above. When Age of Sigmar hit, I was a little disappointed in the loss of WFB, but I was willing to jump on board. Some AoS aspects had a lot of promise, and by all reports it is now a pretty damn good game (not perfect, but still good). Perhaps it was the shock of the change, or the lack of "ranks & flanks", but either way my group never really gave it a shot. We also never had the drive to learn Ninth Age, and with no official support, we haven't stuck with WFB as it was. Luthor Harkon's Zombie Pirates are still undercoated brown, and I don't have the heart to get rid of their converted awesomeness! Age of Sigmar has been improving through trial & error, play-testing and community interaction. There seems to be a lot that can be ported over to 40k, such as keywords, magic, and (de)scaling abilities on Monsters (read: Vehicles & Monstrous Creatures). The FAQ Q&A's gave me hope that 8th Edition will utilise the best of those rules. Which leads me to 30k. There's no doubt about it - 40k is changing, for good or bad (and I highly doubt it will be bad). As much as I love 30k in its current format, it's future is uncertain - FW may go for a whole new ruleset, or they may be working on 8th Edition rules as we speak. I'm starting to lean towards 8th Edition being a reality though. And I'm not going to make the same mistake with 30k as I did with WFB - if 30k goes down the 8th Edition route, I will be jumping on board whole-heartedly. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 I just can't wait to see Angron and Sanguinius' wounds Enrage tables.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Angron will be over 9,000 by his last wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Why should he get that kind of rule in the first place? Haven't seen one story where he gets better by being wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Why should he get that kind of rule in the first place? Haven't seen one story where he gets better by being wound. In AoS there are some creatures that when they are more wounded get more attacks/ stronger through anger. Seems appropriate for ol' Angry Ron, eh? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runefyre Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 I imagine Angron will be able to pile in 6" or his full movement or something cool like that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Why should he get that kind of rule in the first place? Haven't seen one story where he gets better by being wound. In AoS there are some creatures that when they are more wounded get more attacks/ stronger through anger. Seems appropriate for ol' Angry Ron, eh? No, not at all. :/Quiet the opposite if you ask me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Then Gorgoff you are the first who has disagreed with me on that point! Which is fine - we'll see when the rules come out! I hope the charts are interesting for the Primarchs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghorgul Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Then Gorgoff you are the first who has disagreed with me on that point! Which is fine - we'll see when the rules come out! I hope the charts are interesting for the Primarchs. Konrad Curze should dive deeper into madness the more wounded he is, this could be for example giving him more melee power, but then having him suffer Perils of the Warp attacks or maybe he could be burdened by dark visions, i.e. zero attacks with certain roll unless there is Night Lords Psyker within 6" of him. Psyker would soothe his broken psyche like in fluff. The amount of melee buff and probability of minus attacks/other nerf could be balanced and scaled by how many wounds he has remaining. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 The Celestant Prime is the closest comparison I can think of in AoS to Primarch, and doesn't reduce in effectiveness as he's wounded. I wouldn't bank on the Primarchs doing so either. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Skarbrand gets angrier as he takes wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 The Celestant Prime is the closest comparison I can think of in AoS to Primarch, and doesn't reduce in effectiveness as he's wounded. I wouldn't bank on the Primarchs doing so either. Primarchs are kind of on that tricky fine line between characters and monsters. The former in AoS don't reduce in effectiveness while the latter do... the celestant prime is closer in size to a normal dude than a primarch is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 It's a demigod made of lightning fluff-wise though, eight wounds as well, so it's nigh-monster statline in terms of durability. That's where I'm getting my thoughts from, with previewed Robby G having just one W more. I could be very wrong, but I feel it's less likely to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Celestant Prime isn't a monster has regular infantry hero statline with like 2 extra wounds over a regular Stormcast hero. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/333151-hh-to-remain-using-7th-ed-rules/page/8/#findComment-4728965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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