Toldavf Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 ouufff those terminator rules.... thats bad news. Marshal Loss, Lord Marshal, Khornestar and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDops Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I'm really hoping the cult unit thing falls through. Would be out of line of the other armies considering that both 1k sons and DG both can have their cult units as troops Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Cult units being removed from the book? End of an era. It's a little sad in a way. EC getting put into their own codex can't happen soon enough for me. Terminators getting the Blightlord treatment :cussing sucks though, no way around it. Interesting, I wonder if that means we'll see a supplement for Fallen using the existing datasheets, maybe in the next Vigilus book. I'd love to do a small Fallen force, but I'm waiting for them to get something relatively stable as far as army rules go. I've never been quite sure why they don't just make "Fallen" a legion trait like everybody else. The overwhelming majority of them are for all intents and purposes just normal CSM at this point. I am pleased to see Creations of Bile/Red Corsairs elevated; hopefully they have as many traits/options etc as the legions. As much as I love legions and think they should be at the heart of what CSM are, renegades deserve to not feel like second class citizens in their own codex. RolandTHTG, Toldavf, WrathOfTheLion and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Interesting, I wonder if that means we'll see a supplement for Fallen using the existing datasheets, maybe in the next Vigilus book. I'd love to do a small Fallen force, but I'm waiting for them to get something relatively stable as far as army rules go. I've never been quite sure why they don't just make "Fallen" a legion trait like everybody else. The overwhelming majority of them are for all intents and purposes just normal CSM at this point. I am pleased to see Creations of Bile/Red Corsairs elevated; hopefully they have as many traits/options etc as the legions. As much as I love legions and think they should be at the heart of what CSM are, renegades deserve to not feel like second class citizens in their own codex. It would certainly be ideal if they just made Fallen a legion, but we aren't there yet . The main thing holding me back on them is you just don't know if they can be fielded, or whether they'll take something away... For Red Corsairs, I'm a big fan of them getting elevated as well, I'd love to see them get as much as the Legions. Especially as they're taking Legions out (TS, DG and now WE), it'd be cool to see a bit more come in to take their place, instead of it feeling a little bit empty with eventually just Black Legion, Word Bearers, Iron Warriors, Alpha Legion and Night Lords. Marshal Loss and Petitioner's City 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I guess my berzerkers are getting shelved until World Eaters get a codex, so it'll be fun to play with everything else in the book for a change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Really disappointed about the cult units. Im also confused... they get army rules but not legion traits? Does that mean rubrics would benefit from exploding 6s and super doctrines but not legion traits? That is a huge feelbadsy considering how OP drukhari has been for a year now. Their codex was literally top tier every way you could play it but GW thinks that CSM cult troops shouldnt benefit from legion traits? golly gee?? Oh... if zerkers aren't in the codex then how are they going to get 2w? WrathOfTheLion and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Really disappointed about the cult units. Im also confused... they get army rules but not legion traits? Does that mean rubrics would benefit from exploding 6s and super doctrines but not legion traits? That is a huge feelbadsy considering how OP drukhari has been for a year now. Their codex was literally top tier every way you could play it but GW thinks that CSM cult troops shouldnt benefit from legion traits? golly gee?? Oh... if zerkers aren't in the codex then how are they going to get 2w? Hmm good points. The bit on the cult troops is confusing for sure. If they're not in the codex, is there some kind of other reference to them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toldavf Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Terminators getting the Blightlord treatment :cussing sucks though, no way around it. I don't think i've seen anyone who likes the "in the box" weapons format. It's a shame that even if we could get the entire community to petition gw to stop it, they still probably wouldn't listen. Any word on what possesed will be like? their current rules are kinda bad and it would be nice to have them be less random and more reliant. Transhuman for any <legion> <demons> anyone? Marshal Loss, WrathOfTheLion, SillyDreadnought and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I would figure there would be a PDF for Berserkers, it's not exactly a spoiler that World Eaters are coming if they release Codex: Chaos Space Marines and they're not in it, they've given it away at that point. There would need to be a temporal PDF supplement for World Eaters, like they did with Dark Angels/Space Wolves/Deathwatch/Blood Angels when Codex: Space Marines was released. Closet Skeleton and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) If true, at least havocs can continue to be armed however we want. Fingers crossed that the chosen kit has enough parts to equip everyone the same. Even if options are reduced, I'd rather that than sprinkle one of each. Edited January 26, 2022 by Khornestar Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockworkchris Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I would figure there would be a PDF for Berserkers, it's not exactly a spoiler that World Eaters are coming if they release Codex: Chaos Space Marines and they're not in it, they've given it away at that point. There would need to be a temporal PDF supplement for World Eaters, like they did with Dark Angels/Space Wolves/Deathwatch/Blood Angels when Codex: Space Marines was released. I was told a PDF will be release to make them playable while the codex will be released later this year. RolandTHTG and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llagos_Tyrant Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 That's going to be a real feel bad moment if we get 2 wounds CSM and then immediately my two units of Terminators become technically illegal because of how I've loaded them up and converted them. Strange if only Core and Characters can get marks. I guess that depends on what is Core, but shouldn't that mean at least anything with the Daemon keyword so that they have to align with a god? Sad to hear Cult troops might be leaving the codex. That is a real spiritual loss from CSM. They've been in the codex for so long, it's a shame to hear that could be happening. Also causes problems for my idea of building a Black Legion list with Cult troops from each of the four gods. Not sure how I feel on the Warlord Traits, Relics, and Stratagems being largely copy+paste from Faith and Fury. I've loved them and it's great to hear Legions may still get a lot of love, but I was kind of hoping for some new toys rather than a reprint of the same ones from the last few years. Will have to see how the codex pans out. Reasons for optimism and concern. Has anyone seen if there's anything like a Warband Maker, similar to a SM Chapter or Tau Sept customizer? Also very interested in the Crusade rules, and hoping for some sort of Black Crusade/Conquest mechanic like Drukhari, Genestealer Cults, and Tau seemed to get. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 So Terminators become another unit where I get to explain to opponents that GW's loadout psychosis is their own problem, and not mine. Maschinenpriester, Verbal Underbelly, RolandTHTG and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 So Terminators become another unit where I get to explain to opponents that GW's loadout psychosis is their own problem, and not mine. I dont see how terminators will be good now. The kit has 1 of each weapon but 2 claws, 2 fists. It also only has 2 combi flamers, 2 combi meltas, 1 combi plasma. What are we supposed to do with this? Maybe bolter+ whatever is the cheapest 1 dmg weapon? At least that unit would have a defined role. Lord_Starscream 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinpact Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I never thought of Word Bearers as close combat focused but definitely won't be complaining if those rumours are true. Beats the hell out of being the morale legion! Terminators Loadout options similar to DG blightlords Honestly, not that bad - unless they keep chainaxes as the default loadout, in which case I'm going postal. I can see power fists and lightning claws staying as the "any model may replace their X" options like on Relic termies. Crossing my fingers. Combi-weapon bombs are definitely gone, and power weapons...did anyone use power mauls? Losing the ability to take full power swords/axes stings though. Cult units is...pbbbthh. Granted, I always thought it didn't make a lot of sense for Tzeentch renegades to be using Rubrics, but If marks become more than a cosmetic upgrade I could at least see Chosen having a place again. Interestingly, World Eaters not being in the book and no indication of the Purge/Scourged/Brazen Beasts/Flawless Host also suggests EC being the only mark-locked subfaction in the book, which is...strange. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainFireBob Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 <p> Terminators Loadout options similar to DG blightlords 22 years and ungodly amounts of armies and dollars, and I've never been tempted to ragequit before. Surprising myself. My feelings about this are not sanguine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesuVult Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Terminators Loadout options similar to DG blightlords Are you able to ask what the Chosen loadout options are? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I can't. Terminators moving to be like DG loadouts I've already opened the exit door for CSM this edition. I need something amazing to not walk through it at this point if true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Terminators beeing with limited loadouds is concerning. On the one hand i am happy i magnetized everything. But it feels unnecessary. What a horrible price to pay for our second wound. I wonder how my gaming group will handle this. Also wondering about the cult troops bit. So they are available but the datasheets are beeing taken from DG or TS codex? Weird... Wondering what else is in store in the new codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techsoldaten Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Well, this is quite the update. I would not be too broken up about losing Cult Troops. Berzerkers are World Eaters, there's not that many good reasons to take them outside that army. Plague Marines are a little meh right now, the only thing I'd really be missing are Rubrics. Sounds like they would be outstanding with the Black Legion trait, and that would not be useful for them. Not sure it's time to get worked up over Terminator Loadouts, will wait to see clearer language. They've always had options going beyond what's on the sprue, hard to see that changing. Would love to hear more about changes to HQs. Very curious about Dark Apostles / Lord Discordants / Named Characters. Khornestar and tinpact 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Officer Doofy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I wonder if Lucius the Eternal will finally get 4++ or remain the only chaos lord that has 5++ haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Underbelly Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I'm similarly interested in the equipment options for chosen and chaos marines. Maschinenpriester and Khornestar 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maschinenpriester Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I am also wondering if the hellbrute is still able to take the noodle brute loadout. (I specifically modelled one line that for fun) Paturabo 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 The loss of weapon flexibility on Terminators is a big shame but not wholly surprising unfortuantely. It makes me scratch my head that they pick certain units and not others to make this change to. A decent compromise (IMO) would have been something similar to the new pricing scheme for Crisis suits in Tau: If you pick the same weapon more than once, the price of that weapon costs more each time. Want to take 5 power fists? Go for it, it'll cost 3 extra points for each one. It would keep the old loadouts that many of us had converted as legal but mean that it's less points efficent. But then I'm no game designer and have no idea what the rest of the book has/the combos that we can use Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Can someone familiar with the existing restrictions elaborate on the Termie issue please? My Termies are mostly axe, sword, and claws with combi-bolters which I would hope is safe from the dread hand of GW's changes? I am also wondering about the EC trait, as it doesn't seem to be a good fit with the Icon of Excess if they're both doing the same sort of thing? Once you hit on WS2+ where else is there to go? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/371366-what-to-expect-from-9e-csm/page/15/#findComment-5788981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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