Kill Team - Nachmund - Box and CSM Revealed

[Ruskinses]

Kill team boards are 22" x 30", so a lot smaller than AoS/40K, you could put that pretty much anywhere

[Matcap86]

Some people might not have space for a table big enough for gaming.

 

Sure and those people can get the individual teams when they are released. Problem solved.

[Noserenda]

 

To be fair, what does it actually matter. More terrain is good regardless of what it is, right?

 

In some brave new world where money and space arent a thing, sure? Unfortunately money and space are very much a thing :/ 

 

Its hardly money for a coffee table thats the problem, its always space, which is vastly more expensive! In the UK at least, last i looked at US property prices they were almost comically cheap in comparison, but thats obviously a whole other off topic subject. In any case ive got boxes and boxes of terrain in my garage but no practical space to fit a table.

 

In any case,i ts not terrain im personally objecting to, its the same terrain ive got a giant tub of thats the problem, literally any other set would be useful but i was really hoping the announced Fronteris set would be in this box.

[Cleon]

It's not so much that the terrain isn't welcome, but it's not inspiring. It's the same generic pipes and vats that have shown up in a bunch of places.

 

If the box had some cool Eldar or Chaos terrain like the Ork terrain in the previous box, it'd be exciting rather than 'also there'.

[Matcap86]

That I can agree on, the mechanicus terrain, while cool in itself has been put into a LOT of boxsets, I'd also have prefered imperialis/fronteris/ stuff like the octarius set. 

[excelite]

I like the included terrain, as I barely have any.

 

Sure if you’re in the hobby for 20+ years it’s not needed, but for someone that came back not that long ago it’s a great opportunity to snatch some quality terrain for relatively cheap

[Tyriks]

Part if the problem also is that I actually do want more Mechanicus terrain for my abandoned forge world board - I just already have multiples of all this from previous box sets like this. So it's not only that it's Mechanicus terrain, it's that it's the same terrain that has been used a lot in the past.

[Petitioner's City]

I mean what else could there be, beyond fronteris, containers, and the perpendicular gothic city ruins that fronted Kill Team's first box?

Thinking about it, there could be any of the following as suitable Kill Team terrain:

• wall of martyrs
• deathworld forest re-issue
• nurgle plants
• normal trees 
• indomitus ruins 
• the imperial bastion /  landing pad / aegis defense lines
• zone mortalis (possibly released like hive war, with a small number of columns and walls + two Kill Teams)
• tau terrain (as stated above, Chalnath was really the perfect opportunity here)
• other 40K thematic terrain (necron, chaotic, nurgle, khorne, and so on)

 

More unlikely, though still feasible depending on the moulds GW has retained:

• the first cities of death plastic buildings
• older Citadel trees (the dead copse ones?)
• necromunda bulkheads + retro cardstock
• wfb terrain as feral world terrain

Anything other terrain you think KT could include?

 

Anyway, it is disappointing they didn't use this to include some chaos or eldar  terrain, or go something new for KT (and thus evocative of space) like ZM, or look at including any of the many other imperial-adjacent buildings 

Edited February 22, 2022 by Petitioner's City

[davextreme]

These sets are meant to be complete intro points and you need some terrain to play the game.

 

 

Inscrutably, they’re not. The expansions don’t have the core rules or the tokens & barricades. I can see not including the “essentials” set—current players don’t need them—but why not just toss a stapled pamphlet version of the core rules into every set? (And, honestly, as a free PDF.) Then new players really could start with any boxed set + a separate purchase of the tokens.

[Halandaar]

I like the included terrain, as I barely have any.

 

Sure if you’re in the hobby for 20+ years it’s not needed, but for someone that came back not that long ago it’s a great opportunity to snatch some quality terrain for relatively cheap

 

It's not just a "20+ years" thing; these Sector Mechanicus kits only launched in 2017. Prior to that I had no terrain at all and now without even really trying I've amassed enough of it to fill a 40litre container along with a bunch of sprues of it I've not even assembled yet. It's been bundled in everything from Shadow War Armageddon, Kill Team Starter Set (2019), there was a Killzone expansion, pieces of it came with Kill Team faction sets (like Fangs of Ulfrich), a 40k terrain expansion (Battlezone Charadon); most of it was even in the Conquest magazine subscription which made picking up extra sprues really affordable. 

 

It's great that you personally can make use of it, but there's a lot of us who have this stuff coming out of our ears because GW uses it as it's default terrain to bundle in with other things. This has the two-fold problem of padding out a box set with content we don't need, but also that content not being that easy/worthwhile to sell because it's already so ubiquitous.

[excelite]

 

 

I like the included terrain, as I barely have any.

 

Sure if you’re in the hobby for 20+ years it’s not needed, but for someone that came back not that long ago it’s a great opportunity to snatch some quality terrain for relatively cheap

It's not just a "20+ years" thing; these Sector Mechanicus kits only launched in 2017. Prior to that I had no terrain at all and now without even really trying I've amassed enough of it to fill a 40litre container along with a bunch of sprues of it I've not even assembled yet. It's been bundled in everything from Shadow War Armageddon, Kill Team Starter Set (2019), there was a Killzone expansion, pieces of it came with Kill Team faction sets (like Fangs of Ulfrich), a 40k terrain expansion (Battlezone Charadon); most of it was even in the Conquest magazine subscription which made picking up extra sprues really affordable.

 

It's great that you personally can make use of it, but there's a lot of us who have this stuff coming out of our ears because GW uses it as it's default terrain to bundle in with other things. This has the two-fold problem of padding out a box set with content we don't need, but also that content not being that easy/worthwhile to sell because it's already so ubiquitous.

That 20 years was a bit of exaggeration ;)

 

Nothing wrong with any of what you guys said, just wanted to throw in one more point of view..

[Grand_Master_Alpharius]

 

 

To be fair, what does it actually matter. More terrain is good regardless of what it is, right?

 

In some brave new world where money and space arent a thing, sure? Unfortunately money and space are very much a thing :/ 

 

Its hardly money for a coffee table thats the problem, its always space, which is vastly more expensive! In the UK at least, last i looked at US property prices they were almost comically cheap in comparison, but thats obviously a whole other off topic subject. In any case ive got boxes and boxes of terrain in my garage but no practical space to fit a table.

 

In any case,i ts not terrain im personally objecting to, its the same terrain ive got a giant tub of thats the problem, literally any other set would be useful but i was really hoping the announced Fronteris set would be in this box.

 

Wow, don't I feel admonsihed! Here's a novel idea, if you don't want it, why not sell it to someone who does instead? Saves you the trouble of storing it. And, if you have so much that you can't use, instead of complaining about it, or house prices, or space or whatever else, you could always donate some to a local gaming club, I'm sure they'd be over the moon to take it off your hands.

 

There are always other solutions to problems, brow beating someone you don't know over the internet for making a simple and reasonably innocent comment is not one of them chief. You have a nice day though.

[Tyriks]

 

 

To be fair, what does it actually matter. More terrain is good regardless of what it is, right?

 

In some brave new world where money and space arent a thing, sure? Unfortunately money and space are very much a thing :/ 

Its hardly money for a coffee table thats the problem, its always space, which is vastly more expensive! In the UK at least, last i looked at US property prices they were almost comically cheap in comparison, but thats obviously a whole other off topic subject. In any case ive got boxes and boxes of terrain in my garage but no practical space to fit a table.

In any case,i ts not terrain im personally objecting to, its the same terrain ive got a giant tub of thats the problem, literally any other set would be useful but i was really hoping the announced Fronteris set would be in this box.

Wow, don't I feel admonsihed! Here's a novel idea, if you don't want it, why not sell it to someone who does instead? Saves you the trouble of storing it. And, if you have so much that you can't use, instead of complaining about it, or house prices, or space or whatever else, you could always donate some to a local gaming club, I'm sure they'd be over the moon to take it off your hands.

 

There are always other solutions to problems, brow beating someone you don't know over the internet for making a simple and reasonably innocent comment is not one of them chief. You have a nice day though.

It's not my post, so I may be wrong, but it doesn't read to me like anyone was belittling or brow beating you, frater.

 

The price of this box (or if someone else in my group will pay for the terrain) is probably going to determine if I split one or two. I'm not excited about the terrain but I probably can use it if it's cheap enough.

[Kenzaburo]

First of all: Funny, for me it's rather the problem of storing all the terrain than putting it on a table. I live in an apartment in a major city in Germany - we got a dinner table, sure, but almost no space to store stuff. So far my wife has been very understanding of the boxes and boxes of painted and built terrain in our basement room, but if I were to buy more terrain, I'd would definitely not be SecMec. 

 

As others have pointed out, it's been in most of the "minis and terrain"-bundles for 40k in the past 5 years, everything else being more of an exception. Yes, the terrain is cool, but the way they pushed it, I'm almost drowning in it (so far in a good way^^). What I don't get is, why they don't push their other terrain. I was expecting more imperial sector reprints after chalnath, but again there wasn't any. So the imperial terrain remains scarce. But if you're gonna do a warzone, why not do a bigger bundle of the Wall of Martyrs and even bring back the additional pieces of the big eagle gun and the defense turrets. There has to be some reason to them going for SecMec and the current Indomitus line (which I don't particularly like, tbh - way too many details, wasn't fun painting it). 

 

I'm still looking forward to that new SecFront terrain they previewed recently. That looked like interesting stuff to kit out a table with.

 

And back on topic: The new kill team box doesn't wow me. Part of that is due to me not caring about Eldar. :) The CSM kill team is okayish - the individual sculpts are cool, but don't set themselves apart enough from the standard CSM box or the Shadowspear EtB-CSMs. On the other hand, with this box you now have 30 different troop CSM options, easily enough to avoid clone wars. But it wasn't necessary, I'd say. :)

[lhg033]

to add my few thoughts here..... there aren't many these days to be fair

 

 

I really like both kill teams included in this set - great character to each and factions I am actually interested in

 

Terrain.... I love terrain!

But,.... I have everything in this box multiple times, mainly from other boxes. The exception is the furnace which I only have once and that may be the saving grace here as I wouldn't mind another. I would expect cost wise that the 2 squads and the furnace will be near the base cost of the box +/- a bit so not bad. I'm a bit fed up of the smaller stack/chimneys from the alchomite set. I'd have preferred some more domes from this instead.
 

[Noserenda]

 

 

 

To be fair, what does it actually matter. More terrain is good regardless of what it is, right?

 

In some brave new world where money and space arent a thing, sure? Unfortunately money and space are very much a thing :/ 

 

Its hardly money for a coffee table thats the problem, its always space, which is vastly more expensive! In the UK at least, last i looked at US property prices they were almost comically cheap in comparison, but thats obviously a whole other off topic subject. In any case ive got boxes and boxes of terrain in my garage but no practical space to fit a table.

 

In any case,i ts not terrain im personally objecting to, its the same terrain ive got a giant tub of thats the problem, literally any other set would be useful but i was really hoping the announced Fronteris set would be in this box.

 

Wow, don't I feel admonsihed! Here's a novel idea, if you don't want it, why not sell it to someone who does instead? Saves you the trouble of storing it. And, if you have so much that you can't use, instead of complaining about it, or house prices, or space or whatever else, you could always donate some to a local gaming club, I'm sure they'd be over the moon to take it off your hands.

 

There are always other solutions to problems, brow beating someone you don't know over the internet for making a simple and reasonably innocent comment is not one of them chief. You have a nice day though.

 

Maybe if you dont want people to engage with you... Just dont comment? I was fairly obviously responding to a bunch of things there too. I do love the plan of buying things i dont need and selling them at a loss though ;) 

[thraxdown]

First of all: Funny, for me it's rather the problem of storing all the terrain than putting it on a table. I live in an apartment in a major city in Germany - we got a dinner table, sure, but almost no space to store stuff. So far my wife has been very understanding of the boxes and boxes of painted and built terrain in our basement room, but if I were to buy more terrain, I'd would definitely not be SecMec.

 

 

I can certainly understand that. Back when I had a table and terrain plus all my minis, it took up an entire closet! That's a huge commitment when space is limited. Now that I'm getting back into 40k, and my son has expressed an interest in the Eldar, this box (and the eldritch storm) is perfect for me. I lucked out on the releases this time...

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately that luck has yet to extend to my dice rolling.

Edited February 22, 2022 by thraxdown

[Uprising]

I enjoy the update to the base CSM kit.  Also the corsair are a great mix of space elf range.  I will pick up a box and sell off the terrain.  I just paint, and do not have the room.  

[Antarius]

I know I can come off as a bit of a GW apologist at times, but I seriously don’t see the problem. The Kill Teams will be released later, so if you don’t want both, don’t want the terrain and don’t want the rules, just wait for the Kill Team to be released (or buy one on ebay).

 

As for the terrain, sure, I’d have liked something new and shiny but it’s still cheap terrain and I’m definitely going to be able to find a use for it. Realistically speaking, the completely new stuff likely isn’t going to be in these “season” expansions (or whatever they’re called, but they seem to follow the 40K seasons, afaict).

 

At the end of the day, it's a bundle that gives you a huge discount if you need the things in it; if you don’t, well, I view that pretty much like the holiday Tau boxes not really being something I’m interested in. They put out lots of stuff, it’s okay that all of it isn’t tailored to my specific wants.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Antarius

[Silas7]

I know I can come off as a bit of a GW apologist at times, but I seriously don’t see the problem. The Kill Teams will be released later, so if you don’t want both, don’t want the terrain and don’t want the rules, just wait for the Kill Team to be released (or buy one on ebay).

 

As for the terrain, sure, I’d have liked something new and shiny but it’s still cheap terrain and I’m definitely going to be able to find a use for it. Realistically speaking, the completely new stuff likely isn’t going to be in these “season” expansions (or whatever they’re called, but they seem to follow the 40K seasons, afaict).

 

At the end of the day, it's a bundle that gives you a huge discount if you need the things in it; if you don’t, well, I view that pretty much like the holiday Tau boxes not really being something I’m interested in. They put out lots of stuff, it’s okay that all of it isn’t tailored to my specific wants.

It's the FOMO of the box "discount"+ selling off the items you don't want to lower the buy-in even more. Compounded by how long GW takes to release standalone kits is

 

For someone like me who has no interest in investing into Kill Team and likes/wants/doesn't have all of the contents, the box has a strong pull.

Edited February 25, 2022 by Silas7

[beefeb]

I didnt get the DKoK/Ork box....largely because the scenery wasnt my thing.  This however is definitely on my to get list.  Its like anything else, there will be boxes to different peoples tastes.  I dont even have an Aeldari army, but these will be a fun stand alone painting project (i must keep telling myself that!).

[Antarius]

these will be a fun stand alone painting project (i must keep telling myself that!).

Yes, you just keep telling yourself that (that's what I'm doing too).

[sitnam]

I enjoy the update to the base CSM kit. Also the corsair are a great mix of space elf range. I will pick up a box and sell off the terrain. I just paint, and do not have the room.

Hey man, I totally get the space issue. But if you could make room for the terrain and find a partner, KT is actually really fun

[Mmmmm Napalm]

I like some of the CSM upgrade additions, like the big chainaxe, but I'm wondering how large the sprue itself is. Will it be the standard sprue size, or akin to the new BT upgrade?

 

Hopefully there's more to it, but I get the feeling we've seen all the new options and such included for CSM. Hopefully there are some purely cosmetic bits we haven't seen, like a cool new helmet or something. I understand that the current CSM kit features numerous unique helmets and comparatively few unhelmeted heads, but I'd really like to see a horned Mk. III helm or something.

 

That is one of my complaints with the updated CSM range as a whole; given that the Mk. III and IV plastic kits had been released some time before, in the lead up to their release in 2019 I had presumed that the updated CSM kits would be designed so that components from a variety of PA marks could be identified on the miniatures, contributing to their disorganized and scavenged appearance. While the updated base CSM kit is quite nice, it seems that the majority of the armor is mk. V, with a couple mk. IV helmets. Yes, one could always just use components from the mk. IV and III kits, but even the base CSM are ornate enough that the comparatively bare mk. III and IV bits don't quite match as closely as I'd like.

 

Regardless, I'd like it if the upgrade sprue contains more than we've seen, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Mmmmm Napalm

[Bryan Blaire]

Will it be the standard sprue size, or akin to the new BT upgrade?

Not definitely sure, but I’m guessing that it will be approximately the same size as the Pathfinders upgrade sprue from Chalnath.  For reference:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tau40K/comments/qfhj02/pathfinder_upgrade_sprue_for_kill_team/