Plastic Legio Custodes Battlegroup + Coronus Grav-Carrier + Venatari + Liber

[Indy Techwisp]

9 minutes ago, hd3 said:

Because Crimson Longinus was advocating for female marines, mainly.

 

Y'know I genuinely didn't notice that.

 

I will note, just because it got brought up, that Female Marines used to exist in the Rogue Trader era.

We still have them now, actually, just with different Lore.

It's the Sisters of Battle.

 

Anyway, my one big complaint with all of this is that it's gonna be so bloody expensive to buy an army of these new minis.

 

The box set is gonna be scalped immediately and listed up on eBay for 9x the price within an half an hour of the pre-orders opening up, mark my words.

Edited January 17 by Indy Techwisp

[Scribe]

Just now, Crimson Longinus said:

Yes, but given that they're a fan of a franchise literally built on such retcons, most of which, do not cause such uproar, it it rather clear that it is the specific politically perceived aspect of this retcon they have an issue with. 

 

Because those other retcons are not politically driven. Its clear, has been clear. I've made it clear.

[Evil Eye]

Just now, Crimson Longinus said:

The whole "keep politics out of my hobby" is almost always disingenuous or confused, because the politics were already in it. 

This is an intentional misunderstanding of what people want. It is possible for there to be political elements to a work of fiction without beating you over the head with them, telling you you're a bad person if you don't agree with the author's chosen political beliefs, or eclipsing the actual narrative of the fiction. Furthermore it's entirely achievable to write fiction that features in-universe political intrigue or whatever without it being an allegory for real-world political ideology.

 

There's also the fact that a lot of the particular political views being pushed in this sort of thing are abhorrent to a very large amount of people, and that the way they are pushed is often completely cringeworthy to behold. See Mike Brooks throwing in a villainous character almost letter for letter named after a YouTuber he doesn't like. (Said YouTuber thought it was hilarious, by the way.) That certainly doesn't date the work or come across as pitiful! "I made you into a bad guy in my book, ner ner ni ner ner!".

[phandaal]

9 minutes ago, Joe said:

Trying to reign it back in a bit - what's peoples hopes / expectations for the broader waves? I'd be pretty ecstatic if the refresh was done and dusted by the end of the year.

 

I'd be super impressed if they came up with a new super-heavy for Custodes. Maybe just back-port the Astraeus and fix it up a bit at this stage.

 

For spoiler reasons, I would not be surprised to see a 40k Valdor to go along with all the new Primarchs.

[Wispy]

3 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

Yes, but given that they're a fan of a franchise literally built on such retcons, most of which, do not cause such uproar, it it rather clear that it is the specific politically perceived aspect of this retcon they have an issue with. 

I mean, I have seen people saying they'd like it a lot more if they said "Primaris are just true scale marine, we're redesigning the line."

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, Wispy said:

I mean, I have seen people saying they'd like it a lot more if they said "Primaris are just true scale marine, we're redesigning the line."

 

I will die on the hill that the reason there was no "Lore reason" for Female Custodes was to avoid a repeat of the Primaris Marine Fiasco.

[Crimson Longinus]

6 minutes ago, Scribe said:

Crimson literally is, every time, all the time, and hes not alone out there in the wider hellscape of the internet.

 

"All the time" being as response to someone saying that they should not exist. But yes, I am hardly alone in this. I also am not delusional enough to believe that GW cares one bit what I think about it, or that what I write on internet will sway their decision making in any way. But hey, if you are correct, and GW actually makes major creative decision based on opinions of random internet dwellers, then I am certainly glad to help!

[hd3]

5 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

This is an intentional misunderstanding of what people want. It is possible for there to be political elements to a work of fiction without beating you over the head with them, telling you you're a bad person if you don't agree with the author's chosen political beliefs, or eclipsing the actual narrative of the fiction. Furthermore it's entirely achievable to write fiction that features in-universe political intrigue or whatever without it being an allegory for real-world political ideology.

 

There's also the fact that a lot of the particular political views being pushed in this sort of thing are abhorrent to a very large amount of people, and that the way they are pushed is often completely cringeworthy to behold. See Mike Brooks throwing in a villainous character almost letter for letter named after a YouTuber he doesn't like. (Said YouTuber thought it was hilarious, by the way.) That certainly doesn't date the work or come across as pitiful! "I made you into a bad guy in my book, ner ner ni ner ner!".

 

Which character was that by the way? I really enjoyed his Alpha Legion books 

[Crimson Longinus]

7 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

The box set is gonna be scalped immediately and listed up on eBay for 9x the price within an half an hour of the pre-orders opening up, mark my words.

 Is it a limited release?

[Scribe]

Just now, Crimson Longinus said:

 

"All the time" being as response to someone saying that they should not exist. But yes, I am hardly alone in this. I also am not delusional enough to believe that GW cares one bit what I think about it, or that what I write on internet will sway their decision making in any way. But hey, if you are correct, and GW actually makes major creative decision based on opinions of random internet dwellers, then I am certainly glad to help!

 

Of course, thats literally the point of social media. "Let me add my voice to the cacophony to force change."

 

Since we are opposed on this item, I have to do the same in reverse, and push back. Such is life in our cursed modern age.

[hd3]

4 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I will die on the hill that the reason there was no "Lore reason" for Female Custodes was to avoid a repeat of the Primaris Marine Fiasco.

 

For me, its they had the chance to broaden SoS and make everyone happy and then chose not to do it 

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, Crimson Longinus said:

 Is it a limited release?

 

The initial box set seems to be.

[Scribe]

4 minutes ago, Wispy said:

I mean, I have seen people saying they'd like it a lot more if they said "Primaris are just true scale marine, we're redesigning the line."

 

Yes, since it was done for naked profit reasons "Lets make the loyalists replace all their armies lol!" I would much rather have had that, than all the detrimental knock on lore changes like Cawl.

[jaxom]

54 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

 

They are different but it is very subtle, and as far as i can tell it is an even 3/3 split; 3 of the squad each have slightly smaller boots and slightly slimmer chests. I think it's easiest to see on this image of the sentinels.

 

It is however very subtle, even on close ups like these and will be even harder to tell on the tabletop.

The angles make it hard for me to tell if the dimensions are actually different; calves have more depth than shins have width. The armors themselves don't have any dimorphism, unlike Stormcast. Then there's the whole thing where the heads are separate and can could go on any of the bodies. We've seen how that was handled with Cadian Shock Troops and Tempestus Aquilons; they don't have any dimorphism across the bodies.

[Evil Eye]

1 minute ago, hd3 said:

 

Which character was that by the way? I really enjoyed his Alpha Legion books 

I forget which book it was but he made a slaver character called "Sarkon of Aggad." Seriously.

 

...You know I'd be interested to see what the reaction would be from the "all art is political" side if we got a new series of novels in the vein of Eisenhorn and Ravenor about an Inquisitor named Amelia...

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, hd3 said:

For me, its they had the chance to broaden SoS and make everyone happy and then chose not to do it 

I will once again point out that they're due to update/refresh the entire HH Custodes range and that includes the SoS.

 

I hope they do expand the SoS options available, but I don't consider making Custodes unisex to be an attempt at bypassing that.

[hd3]

4 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

I forget which book it was but he made a slaver character called "Sarkon of Aggad." Seriously.

 

...You know I'd be interested to see what the reaction would be from the "all art is political" side if we got a new series of novels in the vein of Eisenhorn and Ravenor about an Inquisitor named Amelia...

 

Oh mate. I really enjoyed his Alpha Legion books but that's pretty pathetic. 

[Teetengee]

4 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

I forget which book it was but he made a slaver character called "Sarkon of Aggad." Seriously.

 

...You know I'd be interested to see what the reaction would be from the "all art is political" side if we got a new series of novels in the vein of Eisenhorn and Ravenor about an Inquisitor named Amelia...

really depends on what happens in the series

[jaxom]

Just now, hd3 said:

Sarkon of Aggad

Would a plague marine with metal-rot named Eye-in-a-Ear be better?

[Zoatibix]

For me, the change to offical lady Custodes is a smaller retcon than other changes.

 

Old ‘stodes talking the equivalent of The Long Walk turned into management of galactic spy  networks.

 

Never leaving the Sol System…they’re all over the place.

 

Gaining the equivalent of chapters with subfactions, armour colours.

 

These seem like bigger changes but I guess they were something folks wanted, so those retcons were acceptable?

[Crimson Longinus]

4 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

I forget which book it was but he made a slaver character called "Sarkon of Aggad." Seriously.

 

Named after the ancient king of Sumeria? Seems pretty appropriate for 40K, which is full of such appropriations of historical names. (Yes, I know there is also some bigoted lunatic who calls himself that, but that seems rather irrelevant.)

 

4 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

...You know I'd be interested to see what the reaction would be from the "all art is political" side if we got a new series of novels in the vein of Eisenhorn and Ravenor about an Inquisitor named Amelia...

 

Which is a rather normal name to have... I see no issue. 

[Crimson Longinus]

12 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Yes, since it was done for naked profit reasons "Lets make the loyalists replace all their armies lol!"

 

Worked for me! And I am really glad they did it, and I am happy that marines finally look good. But yeah, the lore mess was no needed, people would have bought better looking marines either way.

 

12 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

I would much rather have had that, than all the detrimental knock on lore changes like Cawl.

 

Agreed. Then again all that pales in comparison to the utter lore destruction that is bringing back the loyalist primarcs, so it is hard to care. But in any case, I think this sort of "always been here" soft retcon like they did with Custodes is preferable. 

[Wispy]

17 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Yes, since it was done for naked profit reasons "Lets make the loyalists replace all their armies lol!" I would much rather have had that, than all the detrimental knock on lore changes like Cawl.

This is why I alluded to you as a bitter, cynical curmudgeon who should not be assumed to have any sort of agenda or motivation beyond being reflexively cynical and bitter! 

[Marshal Rohr]

37 minutes ago, Joe said:

Trying to reign it back in a bit - what's peoples hopes / expectations for the broader waves? I'd be pretty ecstatic if the refresh was done and dusted by the end of the year.

 

I'd be super impressed if they came up with a new super-heavy for Custodes. Maybe just back-port the Astraeus and fix it up a bit at this stage.

The shooty Custodes coming with the classic pantaloons like the Venatarii. 

[Firedrake Cordova]

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