Imperial Guard Commissar Graves + Centaur RSV + Hippogriff AFV

[EmprahsStrongestGuardsman]

New sdkfz models rolling out in the 42nd millennium...

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

4 hours ago, Cleon said:

 

Far, far too close to their inspirations for me. a bit more imagination please GW...

Bro the chimera is almost exactly a BMP…

[grailkeeper]

[Evil Eye]

Just now, grailkeeper said:

The perennial classic!

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

9 minutes ago, Galron said:

Was hoping for real plastic Centaurs and Venators and they give us a Hanomag and a Dingo. They look nice but not what I was looking forward to since a transport isnt a role that needed filling. Not impressed at all with the Graves character and his ride. 

Guard already had every role filled for vehicles 

[Armchair Warlord]

That right there is Begging to be converted into an Adeptus Arbites 'Riot Van' for Necromunda/Kill Team Urban environment games.

[Orange Knight]

I really, really like these vehicles.

But... are they perhaps a bit TOO similar to real world examples?

[Cleon]

After a moment's reflection I think what's annoyed me the most is they HAVE a 40k model on the commissar version, they then stripped all the bits off it for a generic Sci fi half track.

[roryokane]

2 hours ago, grailkeeper said:

This is what peak 40k looks like. You might not like it, but it's still true.
All iterations of it get a free pass in my book.
But yes, it would have been nice to get a proper Fortress of Arrogance kit.

[Evil Eye]

Graves' ride looks like it'll make a delightful Genestealer Cult Limousine/Chaos cult demagogue's conveyence with a little bit of work, actually. Now I'm tempted!

[dalmer]

55 minutes ago, Armchair Warlord said:

That right there is Begging to be converted into an Adeptus Arbites 'Riot Van' for Necromunda/Kill Team Urban environment games.

GSC armies are cheering.  Oh the possibilities

[Dark Shepherd]

Am not a fan of the current GW obsession with co axial guns, makes the Hippo look a bit too Tonka/Hasbro looking IMO

 

that said, main melta gun with co axial smaller melta gun is peak 40k :)

 

In gen these tanks will probably look much better in non Cadian/olive drab paint schemes

[lhg033]

I cant find it again (not looking too hard) but I saw a mock up of that new Commissar vehicle as Mr Plow from the Simpsons and now I cant unsee it,... or stop myself humming the mr plow song each time I see the vehicle.

Guard stuff is interesting though does feel like a fair shift is aesthetic from what I am used to.
It is a dangerous time for me and guard! I 'accidentally' picked up a reasonable amount of the Guard combat patrol issues. I find myself with a lot of infantry/heavy weapons teams and some ordinance and sentinals but surprisingly no tanks (bar one dusty Chimera in the loft somewhere)
what will help stop me is a lack of hobby funds

[redmapa]

Not a fan of the new vehicles, Im sticking with classic trio of Chimera+Sentinel+Hellhound. That being said the new Commissar is top stuff! Absolutely bonkers in a good way.

 

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

I really, really like these vehicles.

But... are they perhaps a bit TOO similar to real world examples?

No more similar than the taurox, or the chimera.

the taurox is just a boxy MRAP, and the chimera is a boxy BMP with a hull mounted weapon.

 

i think the hippogriff would fit in more if it had a hull mounted heavy stubber.

 

26 minutes ago, lhg033 said:

I cant find it again (not looking too hard) but I saw a mock up of that new Commissar vehicle as Mr Plow from the Simpsons and now I cant unsee it,... or stop myself humming the mr plow song each time I see the vehicle.

Guard stuff is interesting though does feel like a fair shift is aesthetic from what I am used to.
It is a dangerous time for me and guard! I 'accidentally' picked up a reasonable amount of the Guard combat patrol issues. I find myself with a lot of infantry/heavy weapons teams and some ordinance and sentinals but surprisingly no tanks (bar one dusty Chimera in the loft somewhere)
what will help stop me is a lack of hobby funds

I think they’ve been shifting the aesthetic since the taurox came out. It was a pretty radical departure from vehicles based on designed from WWI-1960s. Being a modern MRAP. It got some pushback so the next new vehicle was a 1950s MBT inspired tank, that retained sponsons and a big hull gun, but dropped the hard angles and edges for a more smooth and rounded look.

 

the centaur is literally just a taurox but open topped and a little bit longer, and front wheels. It’s like a taurox mk2

 

hippogriff is a fairly big departure from traditional guard design imho, but it doesn’t look much more ‘real’ than the chimera, especially with that double melta turret. That one looks very 40k

[Marshal Rohr]

I like the half track but do not like the scout car. I’ve never liked scout cars though so that’s a personal preference thing. 

[Arikel]

I love both the tanks and the new commissar. Kind of glad I didn’t pick up any chimeras or tauroxes yet, for my (currently on sorue) army, neither of those felt fitting and was looking at proxies instead.

 

The half-track fits the roll of a cheap, light, possibly fast transport. The chimera/taurox are well armoured and armed vehicles that would take a lot more resources to produce I’d assume, and serves both as a transport and as light armour, whereas the halftrack is just a transport. Points wise I’d expect them to be quite a bit cheaper than the previous transports.

 

Armoured car is a light scouting vehicle, also likely to be faster than most other guard armour, and armoured cars just look cool anyways. Sentinels are cool but more for city or jungle fights. They wouldn’t have the speed to act as effective scouts in an open environment of flat wastelands as Armageddon is depicted, but would be very useful in the hives I imagine. 
 

For similar reasons the chimera variants would also be outclassed, while tracked vehicles have a bit more versatility, in flat relatively open terrain, wheeled vehicles would generally run circles around them.

 

They’re also perfect as armaments more likely to be possessed by PDF regiments and Guard regiments that specialize in “policing” type actions like repressing rebelling populations or pacifying recently conquered planets, where any insurgents or other hostiles would be much less likely to possess anti vehicle weaponry, while regiments with heavier armour would be on frontline invasions.

[MoriyaSchism]

I have mixed feelings on the Guard release. I like the idea of the half-track and the Puma styled armoured car, but the execution of both is flawed in a couple of minor ways. The windows on both models are strange and really chunky compared to the vision ports seen on previous Guard vehicles. There are no periscopes or vision ports on the cupolas of both the half-track and the Hippogriff. Both vehicles also have blind spots between the sides and the front reminiscent of the re-done Sentinel's blind spot. The Hippogriff somehow looks more primitive than most armoured cars of the Second World War and the Puma it was clearly inspired by. The vision ports and windows that open on the back compartment of the half-track seem insanely redundant when the model itself shows the crew popping out from the troop compartment. The turret cupola on the half-track also has no vision ports, it's strange how they copied the hatch design from the AdMech vehicles but forgot the 360 degree commander's cupola present on the Onager and Skorpius. Can't believe I'm saying this but at this point I like AdMech vehicles more than any of the new Imperial Guard offerings. Disappointed they decided to bury the original Centaur with this half-track release. 

 

Commissar Graves sucks, she's really off balance and the gigantic power fist with the massive power supply is terrible. I don't know why they scrapped the power fists scaled for the Guard that were present on the old metal junior officers and the FW Cadian command squad. Somehow her retinue is even worse. They don't look like Guard miniatures at all, they look like they came straight from the Helldivers 2 warbond store page. Her vehicle is more interesting than her, I like the extra armour on the wheels and tracks and the Aquila decoration but it's ruined by its main armament being a casemated punisher cannon that looks like it can't be aimed at all. 

 

Edit: A somewhat expensive silver lining here is that the suspension, lower frame and wheels from the Hippogriff could be used with a Chimera to create the classic Pegasus armoured car conversion. 

Edited March 26 by MoriyaSchism

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I have mixed feelings on the Guard release. I like the idea of the half-track and the Puma styled armoured car, but the execution of both is flawed in a couple of minor ways. The windows on both models are strange and really chunky compared to the vision ports seen on previous Guard vehicles. There are no periscopes or vision ports on the cupolas of both the half-track and the Hippogriff. Both vehicles also have blind spots between the sides and the front reminiscent of the re-done Sentinel's blind spot. The Hippogriff somehow looks more primitive than most armoured cars of the Second World War and the Puma it was clearly inspired by. The vision ports and windows that open on the back compartment of the half-track seem insanely redundant when the model itself shows the crew popping out from the troop compartment. The turret cupola on the half-track also has no vision ports, it's strange how they copied the hatch design from the AdMech vehicles but forgot the 360 degree commander's cupola present on the Onager and Skorpius. Can't believe I'm saying this but at this point I like AdMech vehicles more than any of the new Imperial Guard offerings. Disappointed they decided to bury the original Centaur with this half-track release. 

 

Commissar Graves sucks, she's really off balance and the gigantic power fist with the massive power supply is terrible. I don't know why they scrapped the power fists scaled for the Guard that were present on the old metal junior officers and the FW Cadian command squad. Somehow her retinue is even worse. They don't look like Guard miniatures at all, they look like they came straight from the Helldivers 2 warbond store page. Her vehicle is more interesting than her, I like the extra armour on the wheels and tracks and the Aquila decoration but it's ruined by its main armament being a casemated punisher cannon that looks like it can't be aimed at all. 

I mean her retinue likely aren’t members of the guard ‘proper’ but scions or some minor branch of the officio prefectus. Maybe less specialized scion washouts? Scions are supposed to be special warfare dudes so the washout rate would be pretty high in the middle to late portions of the training cycles.

those washouts would still have lots of uses as garrison troops, body guards, etc. 

 

and the helmets look rather sciony.

[Lord Marshal]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I mean her retinue likely aren’t members of the guard ‘proper’ but scions or some minor branch of the officio prefectus. Maybe less specialized scion washouts? Scions are supposed to be special warfare dudes so the washout rate would be pretty high in the middle to late portions of the training cycles.

those washouts would still have lots of uses as garrison troops, body guards, etc. 

 

and the helmets look rather sciony.

 

Iirc the Commissariat have their own Storm Trooper units, per the Gaunt's Ghosts novels.

[TheVoidDragon]

 

3 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

 The Hippogriff somehow looks more primitive than most armoured cars of the Second World War and the Puma it was clearly inspired by.

 

 

 

It doesn't seem overly inspired by the Puma to me. It's a British Alvis Saladin armoured car, from the 1950s.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 26 by TheVoidDragon

[MoriyaSchism]

47 minutes ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

 

It doesn't seem overly inspired by the Puma to me. It's a British Alvis Saladin armoured car, from the 1950s.

 

 

 

 

It has elements of both. It curves down the rear like a Puma and it has a similar engine compartment.  The underside of the front is ribbed a bit like a Schwimmwagen. It's all over the place and it just lacks any of the appeal these vehicles have on their own. I have to say the Hippogriff turret is the weakest part of the design. I wish it took more inspiration from the Saladin and Puma turrets. One periscope on a turret and nothing else is unacceptable. 

 

Edit: I just noticed the incredibly visible turret ring on the Hippogriff. That's rough. 

Edited March 26 by MoriyaSchism

[TheVoidDragon]

48 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

It has elements of both. It curves down the rear like a Puma and it has a similar engine compartment.  The underside of the front is ribbed a bit like a Schwimmwagen. It's all over the place and it just lacks any of the appeal these vehicles have on their own. I have to say the Hippogriff turret is the weakest part of the design. I wish it took more inspiration from the Saladin and Puma turrets. One periscope on a turret and nothing else is unacceptable. 

 

Edit: I just noticed the incredibly visible turret ring on the Hippogriff. That's rough. 

 

If you mean the very slight angling at the back:

 

 

I wouldn't say that's some sort of distinctive feature that clearly shows they took inspiration from it. It's just going to be a design choice because they didn't literally just copy the Saladin in the same way the Centaur isn't literally a M5A1 Halftrack exactly, they're a 40k version based off that so some variation and differences are going be there. 

 

I can't see a clear view of the engine area so not sure what you're saying is similar, but the underside being ribbed like that is just something they'll have done to help it keep in line with the Rogal Dorn tank, which has the same thing. Several features of it are there to maintain a somewhat similar style to the Rogal Dorn as that's clearly the direction they want new vehicles to go. 

Edited March 26 by TheVoidDragon

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

4 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

Iirc the Commissariat have their own Storm Trooper units, per the Gaunt's Ghosts novels.

IDR anything about that in gaunt’s ghosts,  but that could fit what these dudes are.

 

58 minutes ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

If you mean the very slight angling at the back:

 

 

I wouldn't say that's some sort of distinctive feature that clearly shows they took inspiration from it. It's just going to be a design choice because they didn't literally just copy the Saladin in the same way the Centaur isn't literally a M5A1 Halftrack exactly, they're a 40k version based off that so some variation and differences are going be there. 

 

I can't see a clear view of the engine area so not sure what you're saying is similar, but the underside being ribbed like that is just something they'll have done to help it keep in line with the Rogal Dorn tank, which has the same thing. Several features of it are there to maintain a somewhat similar style to the Rogal Dorn as that's clearly the direction they want new vehicles to go. 

I’d also point out that a 6x6 vs 8x8 is a pretty massive difference 

[GSCUprising]

7 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

Graves' ride looks like it'll make a delightful Genestealer Cult Limousine/Chaos cult demagogue's conveyence with a little bit of work, actually. Now I'm tempted!

I've already mentally converted it in a ride for my Primus.