Imperial Guard Commissar Graves + Centaur RSV + Hippogriff AFV

[Tastyfish]

5 hours ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

But the issue is that this thing does not pose a threat. Seriously, look at the damage output, and remember that in the new edition cover will be -1 to hit. It is anaemic. No one is scared of one lascannon that misses two thirds of the time. Like sure, if this thing cost 50 points or so, then it might be good, but I bet it is gonna be more than that, possibly quite a bit more. 

 Don't forget that only infantry gets cover, vehicles just have to stay out of LOS.

[Sir Clausel]

30 minutes ago, Tastyfish said:

 Don't forget that only infantry gets cover, vehicles just have to stay out of LOS.

 

Not quite true. Vehicles and monsters can still get cover.

 

 

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Larger units, such as vehicles and monsters, will also be able to contribute to claiming objectives in greater safety. While not able to use Terrain Areas to gain cover, they can still perch behind ruins, trees, and rubble to gain the benefit of cover, which will be most of the time when holding an objective, as objectives ARE ruins, trees or rubble.

 

This is from here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lxzwueun/new40k-terrain-objectives-make-the-battlefield-your-mission/

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Sir Clausel said:

 

Not quite true. Vehicles and monsters can still get cover.

 

 

 

This is from here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lxzwueun/new40k-terrain-objectives-make-the-battlefield-your-mission/

Because that wording makes so much sense.

[Tastyfish]

5 hours ago, Sir Clausel said:

 

Not quite true. Vehicles and monsters can still get cover.

 

 

 

This is from here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lxzwueun/new40k-terrain-objectives-make-the-battlefield-your-mission/

I took that to mean, "peek from behind area terrain to limit LOS from other angles".

They can benefit from cover rather than getting the "benefit of cover", but ultimately we'll need the book in our hands to know for sure*.

 

*Ahahahaha, sorry. Obviously I mean the FAQ.

[Sir Clausel]

12 hours ago, Tastyfish said:

I took that to mean, "peek from behind area terrain to limit LOS from other angles".

They can benefit from cover rather than getting the "benefit of cover", but ultimately we'll need the book in our hands to know for sure*.

 

*Ahahahaha, sorry. Obviously I mean the FAQ.

 

I guess you are right it can mean that but i highly doubt vehicles and monsters cant get cover in the new edition. Im positive they would have made it way clearer.

BUT we dont know for sure until we know the full rules + FAQ :P 

Warcom aint exactly correct all the time. 

[Karhedron]

16 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Because that wording makes so much sense.

 

We have only seen the preview of the cover rules. Hopefully the rules as written will be clearer. 

[Mazer Rackham]

26 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

We have only seen the preview of the cover rules. Hopefully the rules as written will be clearer. 

 

You mean they'll...cover everything? 

 

Spoiler

 

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

New detachments revealed.

 

armored skirmishers allows infantry officers to order squadron units, and has a  Strat that removes cover from enemies for ‘armored skirmishers’ which is a keyword all infantry and vehicles seem to get but not infantry.

 

so the concern about the lascannon hippogriff not being able

to do damage is pretty significantly mitigated.

Order hippogriff to take aim, use a weaker unit to take benefit of cover away, hitting on a 3+, 2+ if you can drive it up a big enough hill.

 

edit

being able to use infantry officers to order squadron units means I can shift from a tank commander to a normal demolisher and open up points for another officer , infantry unit, or scout sentinel 

Edited April 20 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[HeadlessCross]

Character Baneblades is pretty hilarious. It won't be the best detachment (probably) but it'll be cinematic with a few Baneblades vs a few Knights regarding tank vs walker supremacy. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

5 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Character Baneblades is pretty hilarious. It won't be the best detachment (probably) but it'll be cinematic with a few Baneblades vs a few Knights regarding tank vs walker supremacy. 

Yeah the tank detachment seems fun in a fluffy way but from what we’ve seen probably won’t be too competitive 

edit

rereading the armored infantry detachment bit about the armored skirmishers keyword.

 

it says a unit with one or more models that have 13 or more wounds.

 

could russes be getting consolidated back into a single data sheet coming in units of 1-3 again?

 

the combined fire strat actually gives the hippogriff a massive boost in lethality, particularly with the vigilator cannon.

d6 blast S10 AP-1 D2 shots is huge for hurting big armor and monsters.

 

if you can manage getting to shoot at the same target, a scout sentinel under take aim, and that Strat, shoots armor. The exterminator shoots as well.

followed up by a hippogriff under take aim, so you’ll be hitting on 3+, with the v-cannon hitting at blast Ad6 S10 AP-2 D2. Rerolling 1s to hit.

thats not bad.

Edited April 21 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Casual Heresy]

Points now available.

 

Can't help but feel Centaurs are over priced. But Graves on wagon is cheaper than I expected and Hippogriffs are about what I hoped they'd be.

 

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[DemonGSides]

Graves being a bargain and the centaurs being slightly overcoated makes sense to me. Yarrick is also pricey.

 

They are for sure worried about the firing deck on the Centaur. Not sure why, it's not that scary, but being forced to dedicate 200+ points to make the Las-Taur seems a bit silly. Might as well use Catachans too so you get a little extra scout juice. 

Edited April 22 by DemonGSides

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Yeah, I don’t remember the centaur’s ability, but 85 points seems like way too much.

it should be 55 or 60 tbh.

[DemonGSides]

For how quickly its going to die if for sure needs to lose at least ten points.

 

What I really want is a transport than can convey a 20 man. Give me a covered centaur without firing deck but can transport a full 20 man (make it 22 so it stays usable but isn't a command vehicle). That'd make me happy. 

[SteveAntilles]

Y'all are missing the most important thing. 30pts to make a Baneblade commander have the option to give two orders.

[Casual Heresy]

30 minutes ago, SteveAntilles said:

Y'all are missing the most important thing. 30pts to make a Baneblade commander have the option to give two orders.

 

I have not missed it. I may have spent some down time at work today writing a silly list involving a Baneblade, a Doomhammer and a Banehammer. Will it be effective? Absolutely not. Will it be fun to plonk down three super heavies? Absolutely yes!

[Emperor Ming]

2 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Yeah, I don’t remember the centaur’s ability, but 85 points seems like way too much.

it should be 55 or 60 tbh.

Yeah, theres no way it should be 85

 

and the hipogyph points are joke...what a pile of trash

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

58 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

Yeah, theres no way it should be 85

 

and the hipogyph points are joke...what a pile of trash

Hippogriff points are fine.

i think it could use to drop 5 points but i don’t think those 5 points are make or break for the unit.

 

Scout sentinel is 55pts

armored sentinel is 65pts

hippogriff 70pts

 

hippogriff has better firepower than either

hippogriff has better mobility than both 

armored sentinel is slightly more durable.

 

 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Double checked unit composition and with units of 2, for a hippogriff heavy army, i think I’d personally go with 2 las, 4 VC variants, or 3 of each.

[Mandragola]

I painted up a hippogriff for a review on Tabletop Battles (formerly Goonhammer). 
 

it’s a very nice kit. I built mine without instructions due to someone else having them. Managed it without any major issues. There are some nice features and they get a lot of detail on not that many pieces, so it builds reasonably quickly.
 

I had a spare Death Rider torso, which I used as the commander instead of the Cadian you get with the kit. That will match my infantry (and cavalry) better. 
 

Review here: https://www.goonhammer.com/40k-centaur-hippogriff

 

[MoriyaSchism]

Just now, Mandragola said:

I painted up a hippogriff for a review on Tabletop Battles (formerly Goonhammer). 
 

it’s a very nice kit. I built mine without instructions due to someone else having them. Managed it without any major issues. There are some nice features and they get a lot of detail on not that many pieces, so it builds reasonably quickly.
 

I had a spare Death Rider torso, which I used as the commander instead of the Cadian you get with the kit. That will match my infantry (and cavalry) better. 
 

Review here: https://www.goonhammer.com/40k-centaur-hippogriff

 

 

How does the Hippogriff compare to the Chimera in size? I've had the old Pegasus armoured car on my mind since it was revealed. I'm curious about the conversion potential of its lower frame and wheels. 

[Laurence]

I just noticed that Commissar Graves on foot is wearing her belt the opposite way around / upside down compared to her mounted version; the prongs are on the other side!

[Mandragola]

11 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

How does the Hippogriff compare to the Chimera in size? I've had the old Pegasus armoured car on my mind since it was revealed. I'm curious about the conversion potential of its lower frame and wheels. 

Much smaller. I also thought about making it into an APC but the footprint is too small I’m afraid.

[MoriyaSchism]

1 hour ago, Mandragola said:

Much smaller. I also thought about making it into an APC but the footprint is too small I’m afraid.

I had something like this in mind. 

Transplanting the suspension and some of the plates onto the top half of a Chimera, but that would leave me with 4 loose wheels. I could maybe build a Puma lookalike with 8 wheels and one Pegasus/Minotaur out of two Hippogriffs and a Chimera. 

[Mandragola]

8 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I had something like this in mind. 

Transplanting the suspension and some of the plates onto the top half of a Chimera, but that would leave me with 4 loose wheels. I could maybe build a Puma lookalike with 8 wheels and one Pegasus/Minotaur out of two Hippogriffs and a Chimera. 

That’s interesting. It kind of looks like someone has tried to make a hippogriff before it existed. Nice conversion. 
 

i actually have a very old chimera. I’ve taken a few pictures for a size comparison. The hull is very roughly the same length and width, without the tracks. But then it has no engine!