MoriyaSchism Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said: They're completely different stat lines with the units doing completely different things. No, it was never going to be a replacement, it was just about being patient for GW to release a Terminator kit where the proportions weren't comical. Just be patient and wait 6 years. Interrogator Stobz, HeadlessCross and phandaal 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 19 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said: I seriously doubt they will do that. They had the chance to make all the Deimos vehicles bigger but they didn't. They also had the chance to make the Sisters Rhino chassis bigger too. Not everything new has to be 1.5 size. That is simply not true. When the new Calgar model came out they said they turned his Terminator armour into his Gravis suit. It was all over the promotional material and in the 8th edition Ultramarines supplement. If that's not a sign that Gravis was originally meant to replace Terminators than I don't know what is. I really hate repeating myself. Well, if it makes you feel better, I spent two entire editions telling people that gravis wasn't a terminator replacement because the gravis units never felt close to sharing the same niche. Then termies were released without any major changes besides size, and I'm still being told that I'm wrong even though the models exist... there are no winners lol. 18 hours ago, Mogger351 said: 30k rhinos dont have to fit primaris and want that sweet nostalgia cash. HH marines are slightly smaller and the deimos fits the scale in people's heads. Sisters are smaller than primaris, chaos rhinos arguably could be dual role with a new loyalist one. The biggest complaint of the Rhino is "10 marines can't fit in it". It's perfect timing for a bigger one. I expect for it to either be bigger or for the razorback to still be a variant you can build from the same kit. Mainly because I can't see them releasing it at the same price point, and they seem so bent on making it so that you don't use minis from their other ranges. FarFromSam and Karhedron 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecanojavi99 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 4 hours ago, Northern Walker said: The Impulsor is not the razorback's replacement at all, other than having the same transport capacity - one is rapid transit and the other is a transport with heavy weapon support. Both are IFVs instead of APCs like the Rhino, they are both meant to deliver a unit and support said unit with appropriate firepower, their role is exactly the same. This is like saying that the Gladiator isn't a replacement for the Predator even tho both are MBT. Edited April 18 by mecanojavi99 CastellanDeMolay, sitnam, HeadlessCross and 7 others 1 4 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Praetorian of Inwit Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 The Impulsor replaces nothing. It's just plastic disappointment. Updated tracked vehicles would be great. The existing ones look awesome but you can really tell the age of the kits. Especially the Land Raider. ThaneOfTas, kooper, Marshal Loss and 4 others 4 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper.McGuirl Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 I have been saying since the Triumph of St Katherine came out, that that is how they should represent a Court of the Archon. A new Vect would be great as long as they do something big and crazy and advance his story a bit. Ideally a plastic tantalus would be involved. I would honestly prefer them leave most of the Drukhari line alone. Just give us plastic replacements for the lost units and a new treat or two. Don’t rehash things we already already have before replacing what has been lost. 01RTB01 and Detjan 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Walker Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 1 hour ago, mecanojavi99 said: Both are IFVs instead of APCs like the Rhino, they are both meant to deliver a unit and support said unit with appropriate firepower, their role is exactly the same. This is like saying that the Gladiator isn't a replacement for the Predator even tho both are MBT. Are you talking about the right unit? Because that's a pretty wild claim. Also, the gladiator isn't a replacement for the predator - one is a rapid strike vehicle, one is an MBT. Karhedron and mecanojavi99 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 24 minutes ago, Northern Walker said: Also, the gladiator isn't a replacement for the predator - one is a rapid strike vehicle, one is an MBT. I disagree. Functionally the Gladiator is exactly a replacement for the Predator, even if it is not explicitly described as such in the lore. Their stats are nearly identical the only reason the Gladiator costs more is the slightly better weapons and rules. Even the "grav" part is now largely cosmetic since they no longer have the FLY keyword. Rhavien, Interrogator Stobz, FarFromSam and 2 others 1 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneOfTas Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 6 hours ago, Northern Walker said: The Impulsor is not the razorback's replacement at all, other than having the same transport capacity - one is rapid transit and the other is a transport with heavy weapon support. It's closer to the Razorback than it is to a Rhino. The Impulsor might not be able to mount good guns, but the guns that it does mount, or the shield Dome, are a lot bigger than a storm bolter. They're both light transport with support weapons. The Impulsor just trades versatility for less dakka (and aesthetics imo). Detjan and sitnam 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LameBeard Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 6 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said: … are so awful they make my eyes bleed. And not in a good way. There’s a good way!? Edited April 18 by LameBeard Double trouble Antarius, Maritn and Interrogator Stobz 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said: The Impulsor replaces nothing. It's just plastic disappointment. I like it with Infernus Marines. It’s kind of niche though. I do think the Rhino APC has a place in many lists, unlike the Impulsor. I think taking an Impulsor means having a specific plan for it. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mecanojavi99 Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, Northern Walker said: Are you talking about the right unit? Because that's a pretty wild claim. Also, the gladiator isn't a replacement for the predator - one is a rapid strike vehicle, one is an MBT. Do you even know the difference between an APC and an IFV? The first one delivers the unit and disengages because it has barely any firepower (Rhino) the second one delivers the unit and stays engaged in combat providing fire support, because they carry more firepower than an APC (Razorback and Impulsor) And lol, are you seriously trying to tell me that the Gladiator isn't a MBT? This quote comes directly from the announcement article all the way back "This brutal armoured behemoth is the first dedicated battle tank to emerge from his forges on Mars" You can argue all you want but this are the facts of the matter, anything else is your personal headcanon Edited April 18 by mecanojavi99 Cpt_Reaper, Detjan, SvenIronhand and 2 others 2 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadlessCross Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 11 hours ago, HeadlessCross said: They're completely different stat lines with the units doing completely different things. No, it was never going to be a replacement, it was just about being patient for GW to release a Terminator kit where the proportions weren't comical. Anyone saying they disagree with me needs to prove that Terminators and Aggressors hold the same role. phandaal and MoriyaSchism 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneOfTas Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, HeadlessCross said: Anyone saying they disagree with me needs to prove that Terminators and Aggressors hold the same role. Does the slow, elite heavy infantry with devastating melee and decent shooting have the same role as the slow, elite heavy infantry with devastating melee and decent to good shooting? Are you for real right now? Yes they have differing statlines, due to them both continuing to exist, but at a conceptual level they fill essentially the same role. Edited April 19 by ThaneOfTas sitnam, Interrogator Stobz, Marshal Loss and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lansalt Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) I think it would be great if GW gave Predators a bigger turret with more modern aesthetics, like in this kitbash with the Sororitas Castigator that appeared in a White Dwarf: Regarding the Rhino's size and capacity, I'd leave it at 6-7. Given the interior, even with the old scale marines minis it never made sense that 10 could fit inside despite the infamous Imperial Armour diagram. Edited April 19 by lansalt DemonGSides, Mmmmm Napalm, Bouargh and 2 others 4 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoriyaSchism Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 17 minutes ago, lansalt said: I think it would be great if GW gave Predators a bigger turret with more modern aesthetics, like in this kitbash with the Sororitas Castigator that appeared in a White Dwarf: Reagading the Rhino's size and capacity, I'd leave it at 6-7. Given the interior, even with the old scale marines minis it never made sense that 10 could fit inside despite the infamous Imperial Armour diagram. That looks cool, but not including the commander's cupola from the Mars pattern tanks bothers me a little. I was going to do a Sicarian with a Castigator turret at some point. Nice to see a good scale reference and conversion like this. A larger turret would be nice but they need to keep the Mars pattern shape. I don't want new patterns or new Cawl style weapons. There's plenty of stuff that was available in resin that GW discontinued and would make for a fine line of plastic kits. The Deimos line and the Heresy Dreadnoughts are examples of successful resin to plastic conversions. Interrogator Stobz 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 9 hours ago, HeadlessCross said: Anyone saying they disagree with me needs to prove that Terminators and Aggressors hold the same role. 8 hours ago, ThaneOfTas said: Does the slow, elite heavy infantry with devastating melee and decent shooting have the same role as the slow, elite heavy infantry with devastating melee and decent to good shooting? Are you for real right now? Yes they have differing statlines, due to them both continuing to exist, but at a conceptual level they fill essentially the same role. There’s like 3 pages about this in the topic below. No need to rehash it here. Tanks in 40K were originally down scales 50-75 percent. 2 hours ago, lansalt said: I think it would be great if GW gave Predators a bigger turret with more modern aesthetics, like in this kitbash with the Sororitas Castigator that appeared in a White Dwarf: Reagading the Rhino's size and capacity, I'd leave it at 6-7. Given the interior, even with the old scale marines minis it never made sense that 10 could fit inside despite the infamous Imperial Armour diagram. Lathe Biosas and DemonGSides 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preliminary Bombardment Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Think they will come up with a reason why the sisters rhinos are smaller? I have literally just built one, just a bit disheartening if it is about to become obsolete! Same with my two chaos ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 I really can't imagine them being rescaled - but the moulds definitely need updating given they were first cut over twenty years ago. ThaneOfTas, Detjan and MoriyaSchism 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 Size variation can also be explained by patterns and STC shenanigans; like the Land Speeder Storm being a lengthened variant, or a situation like the Spartan where it's a nominally different but very similar vehicle. SvenIronhand 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xirix Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 6 hours ago, Preliminary Bombardment said: Think they will come up with a reason why the sisters rhinos are smaller? I have literally just built one, just a bit disheartening if it is about to become obsolete! Same with my two chaos ones. Surely it wouldn't be obsolete even if they up-scaled them, I thought GW were fine with older models? A replacement doesn't make the model before it unusable, that's a bad mindset to have, especially if you like your models, which well, you bought them, so I assume you do. Hell, nobody's ever had a problem with a couple of my Rhinos being 2nd Edition ones. Edited April 20 by Xirix CastellanDeMolay 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 More T'au? Interesting. Broadsides, I'd love them to redo the FW ones. I don't mind the current kit, am unsure if I'd want to go back to the shoulder mounted ones. Crisis Teams, could be interesting, could be concerning. Things I'd love to see: ●Generic XV22 Commander with weapon options. ●Devilfish- I don't think it needs much updating aesthetically but maybe an "Electronic Warfare" variant or something (And please include options in the box for Smart Missile System) and some upgrade options like from the old command vehicle sprue. ●Tetras, Pathfinders are the first unit I played 40K with so am fond of them in all forms and the Tetras were cool looking vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadlessCross Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 22 hours ago, ThaneOfTas said: Yes they have differing statlines, due to them both continuing to exist And different bespoke rules which goes into two different roles Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) Emperor knows what GW intend. Remember that there is a disconnect between the model designers, the lore writers and the warhammer community promotional staff. What we see on promotional material might not match the lore, and in turn both of those things might make assumptions that the model designer never intended. I think Gravis was probably meant to replace or supplement Terminator armour on some level, but there's evidence to the contrary with all of the Gravis units that have since appeared. I think there is overlap between Aggressors and Terminators, but the Inceptors, Heavy Intercessors and Eradicators are their own thing. If anything, Gravis is a refinement on the clunky Centurions but with more narrow specialisations. As for the vehicles - I really don't know. The Impulsor could well be a replacement for Rhinos and Razorbacks. People fixate on 10 man units being able to fit but generally those aren't a strict requirement when bigger transports exists. The Impulsor having space for 6 elite models and a character went a long way to making it more compelling. The Repulsors are pretty cool - they actually look great and are one of those models that look worse in the promotional images than they do in person, but GW was quick to make them into a Landraider alternative and not a replacement. The Landraiders are still very distinctive due to the Assault Ramp rules. I've gone back and forth on whether GW will update the Landraider or not. I recently bought a Landraider and have since built and painted it up, which means GW will most certainly update the model just to spite me lol. I remember having a chat with a GW designer about 8 years ago. I can't remember the exact event, but I was told in no uncertain terms that they already had plans for 10+ years of Primaris releases. I'm not surprised that we've started to circle back to updates of old units, but new things are still coming out too, such as the new Heavy Bolter Eradicators. Edited April 20 by Orange Knight Ammonius and MoriyaSchism 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phandaal Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 On 4/18/2026 at 9:58 PM, HeadlessCross said: Anyone saying they disagree with me needs to prove that Terminators and Aggressors hold the same role. Finding someone in the year 2026 arguing that Aggressors were not intended to be a Terminator replacement is like finding the last guy on a remote Pacific island, still fighting a war decades after the treaty has been signed. RolandTHTG, Interrogator Stobz, ThaneOfTas and 1 other 1 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 That may have been their original intention (I don't think it's all that controversial to say that there was a pretty obvious indication that GW wanted a wholly new SM force with the idea of Primaris), but that it got quickly abandoned. Strategies change. We like to think of GW as this megalithic corporation that's moving on it's own intertia more than anything but that's just fun personification of a boardroom that is always, at least ostensibly, always looking for money. Interrogator Stobz, CastellanDeMolay and Detjan 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387821-valrak-2026-release-rumours-video/page/3/#findComment-6167252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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