Valrak 2026 release rumours video

[Evil Eye]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Also good riddance to Tacticals and Devastators. They held on far longer than they had any right to on nostalgia alone, so maybe once they actually go people will finally shut up about Firstborn and realise that by now the original Primaris wave predates GW's current target audience, so them going was inevitable and not GW shoving "new" Marines down their throat.

On the contrary; your last hope of not getting people complaining about the loss of real Marines for their oversized Poochie replacements was actual upscaled Mk.7. If this is true and real Marines are actually going the way of the dodo, you will have to endure the (justified) grumbling about the engakkification of Space Marines, forever.

[Scribe]

2 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

On the contrary; your last hope of not getting people complaining about the loss of real Marines for their oversized Poochie replacements was actual upscaled Mk.7. If this is true and real Marines are actually going the way of the dodo, you will have to endure the (justified) grumbling about the engakkification of Space Marines, forever.

 

Once the final Marine kit disappears, I give it one more edition before its "Primaris? What Primaris?"

 

And it's just Astartes again.

[Crimson Longinus]

2 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Once the final Marine kit disappears, I give it one more edition before its "Primaris? What Primaris?"

 

And it's just Astartes again.

 

Hopefully this. The primaris models are a massive improvement, but the lore is rather painful. 

[ThePenitentOne]

1 hour ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

Hopefully this. The primaris models are a massive improvement, but the lore is rather painful. 

 

That's fair. But Torchbearer Fleet Crusade campaigns using the WD rules in 9th ed are pretty much peak 40k. I'm not a huge non-Chamber marine fan, nor am I fan of Custodes beyond the SoS, but those Torchbearer rules actually made me want to play both. Unfortunately my collection didn't lend itself to Torchbearer fleet- like I said, Greyknights and Deathwatch are the only marines that really interest me, and neither of those could be reinforced by Primaris Greyshields, which was what the Torchbearer rules were designed to reflect.

 

 

[MoriyaSchism]

3 hours ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

Hopefully this. The primaris models are a massive improvement, but the lore is rather painful. 

In terms of proportions I agree, but in every other metric they are lacking and a pain to work with if you want some variety. The Space Wolves were a pleasure to build and should be the standard for the reworked intercessor kits and any future Space Marine release. My hopes for the new Speeder multipart are the crewmen being loose parts so I can stick them on the Proteus assault couch pattern of Land Speeder. 

Edited April 23 by MoriyaSchism

[Orange Knight]

Edit: duplicate post

Edited April 23 by Orange Knight

[Orange Knight]

14 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

The Attack Bike was one of those things that, whilst very silly, was the right kind of silly and quintessentially 40K. The ATV always seemed like a half-hearted attempt to make an XTREEEEEME version of the same basic unit, and the design looking straight out of Mario Kart: Double Dash* didn't help, nor did the hollowed-out underside. Can't say I'll greatly miss it. Tacticals and Devastators being sent to the Shadow Realm though, that sucks. Especially as both are great sources of bits to graft onto bigger bodies to make nuscaled real Marines.

 

 

 

 

*The best Mario Kart, in my opinion, so it's got that going for it?

 

Lol stop.

 

If you defend the attack bike then Centurions must be the most beautiful models in your eyes?

 

It looked ridiculous, and it was an ugly model from the day it launched to the day it was retired. Remember the teeny, tiny, little legs of the Marine in the side cart?

 

This must be one of the finest examples of the Primaris derangement syndrome. Defending a truly horrible model against a merely ugly model, because it happens to be... nostalgic? I don't like the ATV, I don't even own one, but there's no question that it looks better than the attack bike.

 

To clarify, my above comment is intended to be funny, not offensive (and yes, it is funny to see people wax lyrical about the Attack Bike of all things). Getting back to the rumours, I wonder if the new Speeder really is intended to replace the ATV. I fully agree that it would be more suitable for that role. If they go down this path then I hope they also release jet bikes that resemble the one used by the White Scars character.

 

 

Edited April 23 by Orange Knight

[Interrogator Stobz]

5 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

In terms of proportions I agree, but in every other metric they are lacking and a pain to work with if you want some variety. The Space Wolves were a pleasure to build and should be the standard for the reworked intercessor kits and any future Space Marine release. My hopes for the new Speeder multipart are the crewmen being loose parts so I can stick them on the Proteus assault couch pattern of Land Speeder. 

Primaris are an improvement on the old Tactical minis.

But the remodeled Horus Heresy armour marks, of which Tacticals used many of are just as good, easier to kitbash, and far more creative.

And for hobbyists like us who like to build variety into our armies, a great source of bitz and gubbinz.

[Robbienw]

Surely no one actually really thinks the old attack bike was worse than the ATV?! 

 

The attack bike was basically a standard space marine bike, a design that was well received, with a heavy weapon sidecar added on.  Inspired by a WW2 motorbike/sidecar combo.  Hardly anything wrong with it, a design lineage that came from the original RT bikes.

 

Meanwhile the ATV is an absolute mess of a design with no similarity to the Outrider bikes it goes with, or any other marine vehicle.  Maybe the intent was something like the warthog in Halo, but the end result was a Mario Kart reject. 

 

The outrider bikes look like an update of the previous marine bike, should have done the same with the attack bike.  Maybe they will with the rumoured upcoming multi-part outriders.

Edited April 23 by Robbienw

[Robbienw]

6 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

In terms of proportions I agree, but in every other metric they are lacking and a pain to work with if you want some variety. The Space Wolves were a pleasure to build and should be the standard for the reworked intercessor kits and any future Space Marine release.

 

This is true, in particular the Blood Claws.  Their style of amour removes some of the plates and knee rims, looks smoother and much better than regular MKX.  Should have made it the standard MKX look.  Particularly with the MKVII style faceplate.

[Blindhamster]

23 minutes ago, Robbienw said:

 

This is true, in particular the Blood Claws.  Their style of amour removes some of the plates and knee rims, looks smoother and much better than regular MKX.  Should have made it the standard MKX look.  Particularly with the MKVII style faceplate.

give me the mkIV style faceplate thank mkX uses every day. I also prefer the higher gorget. I'd not be bothered if knee rims went away, but I don't hate them either. 

 

- spoken as a person whos favourite mks were always mkIV and mkVIII

[phandaal]

13 minutes ago, Blindhamster said:

give me the mkIV style faceplate thank mkX uses every day. I also prefer the higher gorget. I'd not be bothered if knee rims went away, but I don't hate them either. 

 

- spoken as a person whos favourite mks were always mkIV and mkVIII

 

The knee rims are my least favorite part of MkX armor. Scrape those down and it looks much better to me. Personally, I also prefer it without the gorget, but that part doesn't bother me as much as the rims.

 

I am happy that more armor marks are being incorporated into the Intercessors kit though.

[Crimson Longinus]

8 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

In terms of proportions I agree, but in every other metric they are lacking and a pain to work with if you want some variety. The Space Wolves were a pleasure to build and should be the standard for the reworked intercessor kits and any future Space Marine release. My hopes for the new Speeder multipart are the crewmen being loose parts so I can stick them on the Proteus assault couch pattern of Land Speeder. 

 

Sure, they should have more variety, and I really love the new Space Wolves, Blood Claws in particular. Presumably this is what these retro bits in the updated Intercessors are for. Though personally I have always customised my primaris with a bunch of old style bits.  

[templargdt]

Really bummed about the rest of the firstborn going to legends.  I have so many great memories of playing my tactical, devs and razors.  I dont have the time to build and paint any more so I guess if I ever get to game again I'm SOL.  

 

The fact that centurions are sticking around is amazing.  I have a box in wrapping still on my shelf, and I built three when they came out.  From 5th through 9th I never once saw one on a table other than mine.  No way GW made money on that kit.

 

Can't understand the ATV going, isnt it basically new?  I liked it a lot more than the attack bike.

[Karhedron]

22 minutes ago, templargdt said:

Really bummed about the rest of the firstborn going to legends.  I have so many great memories of playing my tactical, devs and razors.  I dont have the time to build and paint any more so I guess if I ever get to game again I'm SOL.

 

There are some work-arounds. Now squads are pretty much fixed, you can represent them however you want. You see that 5-man tactical squad with a missile launcher? As far as your opponent is concerned, that is now a 5-man Intercessor squad with auxiliary grenade launcher. Not everything can be proxied but there is certainly no need to shelve your Firstborn stuff, particularly if you like the models and would struggle to paint a new army.

[Robbienw]

3 hours ago, Blindhamster said:

give me the mkIV style faceplate thank mkX uses every day. I also prefer the higher gorget. I'd not be bothered if knee rims went away, but I don't hate them either. 

 

- spoken as a person whos favourite mks were always mkIV and mkVIII

 

For me the MKX faceplate is the worst of them all.  Whilst its clearly based on MKIV, its not enough like it to be good.  The side pipes are too large and encroaching, and the front part doesn't look right being flat. The MK7 style MKX faceplate on the other had is pretty much an exact copy of the MKVII faceplate.  

 

If MkX was setup like blood claw MKX with MK7 faceplate, whilst still not as good as the MK7 look, i'd have brought into it.

[DemonGSides]

28 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

There are some work-arounds. Now squads are pretty much fixed, you can represent them however you want. You see that 5-man tactical squad with a missile launcher? As far as your opponent is concerned, that is now a 5-man Intercessor squad with auxiliary grenade launcher. Not everything can be proxied but there is certainly no need to shelve your Firstborn stuff, particularly if you like the models and would struggle to paint a new army.

 

Yeah there's no one stopping you from just getting close enough. I get there's some internal rationale for people who want to field an exactsies type of force... But they're toys, they're meant to be played with, use some imagination and we can all have a good time. 

[Rowland]

As a noob I thought the ATV might have been a useful low point unit when you’re making up an army list (but what do I know)…

[Orange Knight]

41 minutes ago, Rowland said:

As a noob I thought the ATV might have been a useful low point unit when you’re making up an army list (but what do I know)…

 

It was very useful in this role, yes. Often times you have some points left over and nothing else you can fit into the army.

 

Hopefully the new Speeder will fill this role.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

2 hours ago, templargdt said:

Can't understand the ATV going, isnt it basically new?  I liked it a lot more than the attack bike.

 

It was released basically at the start of 9th, the same day as the Space Marine Codex and the Firestrike Turret. So both of those kits (as well as the ETB Outriders kit, which is rumored to be going away in favor of a multipart kit) have been on the market for a little over five and a half years.

 

Contrast that to the ETB Space Marine kits from Eighth Edition, which were all removed at the beginning of 9th (some of the Death Guard ETB kits stuck around, but they also didn't have multipart counterparts to compete with). By that metric, the ATV and Firestrike will have been available for about twice as long.

 

Assuming the ETB Outriders are replaced, that would only leave the Chaplain on Bike as a general-release push-fit kit still on the market from 9th Edition(*) and maybe the only kit available by any means if the "Honoured of the Chapter" sprue winds up being replaced by a similar characters-and-hangers-on sprue from the Armageddon box in the same way the Dark Imperium sprue was s-canned in favor of the new "Heroes of the Chapter" sprue from Leviathan.

 

So in comparison to multipose Marine kits, the turrent and ATV are going away earlier than expected, but compared to other ETB kits, they were already on borrowed time.

 

* Again, speaking purely of the Marine range and not the opposition forces from the launch boxes

[Nephaston]

Bikes might also get a Chaos Knights (AoS) treatment, where instead of outright replacing the kit they simply add another sprue for extra options.

Or they add the ATV sprue to it so it's technically a 5-man squad.

[Antarius]

12 hours ago, Robbienw said:

 

For me the MKX faceplate is the worst of them all.  Whilst its clearly based on MKIV, its not enough like it to be good.  The side pipes are too large and encroaching, and the front part doesn't look right being flat. The MK7 style MKX faceplate on the other had is pretty much an exact copy of the MKVII faceplate.  

 

If MkX was setup like blood claw MKX with MK7 faceplate, whilst still not as good as the MK7 look, i'd have brought into it.

I think the Mk X helm looks good on Deathwatch, as they're slightly more "sci-fi" and "tactical" in my mind, but for everything else, I just can't bring myself to like it no matter how much I try.

As for Marines in general, I think Primaris have good and bad points, design-wise (fluff-wise, I find them horrendous, but I can ignore that, so it's no big deal to me). For most of the things, like the bolt rifles, armour plates and knees, I have no problem with going "it's just Space Marines to me", but there are a few sticking points, like the neck guard (which is easily trimmable) and the "ankle bulb" (which is less eaily dealt with, but eaiser to ignore). Honestly, I think we'll end up seeing most of these design choices fade away as everything slowly morphs into one big "Space Marine" design melting pot.

Some of the newer minis are among the best Marines they've ever done, but I still look forward to them blending more old design cues in there. As for the fluff and new units, well, 40K is a long-running franchise that only really exists to move product, so I think it's just common sense to accept that the "true" creative work has been done a long time ago and now the creative and artistic spark is going to have to come from oneself.
It's like when my friends complain about Star Wars (or I complain about the Simpsons). I mean, yeah, it can annoy you sometimes, but trying to put one's finger on some big reason beyond "it's been running since forever, of course it's not great art anymore" is a fool's errand. Factor in nostalgia and one can be frustrated from here to eternity, if one does not accept that it's our own job to make it speak to us. But GW does provide some great raw material most of the time.

[Orange Knight]

This topic has opened my eyes to the secret world of Attack Bike lovers 

[templargdt]

50 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

This topic has opened my eyes to the secret world of Attack Bike lovers 

Hard to imagine, it was by far my least favorite model in the range

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

This topic has opened my eyes to the secret world of Attack Bike lovers 

I'm still divided on how much of it is actual attack bike love and how much is simply old=better.