ChapelXIII Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 This is actually an interesting problem in all game design. There is a difference between symmetry and balance. Bringing our beloved Angels into it, if you have to armies that are exactly the same then you have both symmetry and balance because they are exactly symmetrical and perfectly balanced due to that exact symmetry. Then you can have asymmetrical balance where you could take a shooting army and an assault army that were balanced against each other. Both armies play differently, but based on the mechanics of the game are balanced. These games provide a more interesting game due to their asymmetric nature. The sixth edition rule set has caused an issue with asymmetric match ups by weakening the role of assault, and increasing the strength of shooting. This was made worse due to releases that have further increased the relevance of shooting. Games workshop, based on the most recent release of the Tyranids book, seems unlikely to back pedal these changes. My worst fear for the future of the Blood Angel codex is that they will substantially change the army to try to make it more viable in the new edition. I like the way the Blood Angels play, their focus on maneuvering and movement to put pressure on specific parts of the enemy force. They are ferocious and methodical. I would rather they leave that sort of emphasis even if it means that they won't be as competitive. I would rather wait for the core book to come back into balance than have our book try to become balanced in the current rule set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3592545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durundal Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Chapel makes a good point. Releasing the BA codex and conforming it into the 6th shooty style MAY just take the ba-ness out of the BA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3592630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Maybe being one of the last codices released...BA will be more in line with 7th... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3592636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 depends on when '7th' happens really, if the rumours of a replacement for DV in september end up being true, id guess on 6th being with us for at least a year or two longer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3592670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durundal Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 And hopefully the updated rulebook might fix some stuff as well as including many FAQs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3592681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 dont think so, my guess is it will contain FAQs but the book itself wont be a requirement to play games if you also own stronghold. Else it would actually be a new edition. If that ends up being the case, getting the LE rulebook will indeed feel like a terrible waste lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3592686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Nothing will change other than the current FAQ amendments. Unless we get an uber mobile deathstar, Zed's dead baby, Zed's dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3592698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durundal Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 A Sanguinary Priest HQ that gives FNP on a 4+ would be nice to have. A potential 4 priests. Not that its good or OP but gives nice options Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3592707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Milkman Of Baal Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 You never know i could be a cut and paste with points drop and nurfs ala the Nid dex............................ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3593475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durundal Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 The worst I can imagine is if they took out mephiston and something else. And/or made us banilla Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3593719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenderDead Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Leave Mephy alone! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3593735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durundal Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Plot twist, mephiston turns into demon prince. We can field him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3593801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Plot twist, mephiston turns into demon prince. We can field him This supports my previous idea that we will have to buy a chaos marine codex and pick only units with mark of khorne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3593974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durundal Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I bet they'll nerf his stats, I would hate to see it though Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I'd be fine with dropping S&T by 1 point each then giving him back Independant Character and giving him a 5+ Invulnerable. In fact... what are current Vampire Lord stats like in Warhammer? He used to have stats the same as a vampire lord when he was first created... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orblivion Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I bet they'll nerf his stats, I would hate to see it though I wouldn't expect a Mephiston nerf as he is already overpriced for his current rules, and that isn't just based on my opinion of the character. In comparison with other characters in the game with similar roles he is both more expensive and less impressive. I'm pretty confident we will either see a slight buff or just a cost reduction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I'd be fine with dropping S&T by 1 point each then giving him back Independant Character and giving him a 5+ Invulnerable. In fact... what are current Vampire Lord stats like in Warhammer? He used to have stats the same as a vampire lord when he was first created... A keeper of secrets actually. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durundal Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 If his S & T went down 1, I would most definitely want EW on him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Wolf? Are you sure? Im 99% sure he had vampire lird stats in 2nd edition (angels of death) this was also long before the hints at daemonhood (although if you read the two first person mephiston stories he doesnt know what he is, but knows hes loyal to the imperium and the blood angels... I personally bet on sanguinius somehow reborn through gene memory ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Vampire lords are T5 S5 4 wounds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orblivion Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Wolf? Are you sure? Im 99% sure he had vampire lird stats in 2nd edition (angels of death) this was also long before the hints at daemonhood (although if you read the two first person mephiston stories he doesnt know what he is, but knows hes loyal to the imperium and the blood angels... I personally bet on sanguinius somehow reborn through gene memory ) Yeah the codex states that his geneseed "reawakened" and brought on even further changes, so I'd say he's as close to Sanguinius as an Astartes can be in a physical sense. I think both Dante and Mephiston are in need of reworks, and not just simple stat tweaks. I'd like to see the rules rewritten as if they were new characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Dante Veteran of a thousand wars - Dante's has honed his battlecraft over two millenia. He gainswill not die on a 4+ and ignores unwieldy. Tactical Supremacy : Descent of Angels Choose first or second turn. Dante and a units arriving from reserves via descent of angels automatically arrive that turn. Dante and his unit do not scatter. Dante may take a single unit if Sanguinary guard as an honour guard, making them count as troops and gain 1 WS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durundal Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 I want mephiston to be able to pick 3 powers from the BigRuleBook Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Wolf? Are you sure? Im 99% sure he had vampire lird stats in 2nd edition (angels of death) this was also long before the hints at daemonhood (although if you read the two first person mephiston stories he doesnt know what he is, but knows hes loyal to the imperium and the blood angels... I personally bet on sanguinius somehow reborn through gene memory ) You are correct, he had the same stats as a vampire lord in the old 'undead' armybook before the split to VC and TK. I also think that's it's only recently (5th ed codex, thanks matt ward!) that there ever was any doubt about his powers. Until then his stats was always about the true potential of the geneseed. Perhaps what every marine would have been if the Emperor had time to perfect the process before his 'death'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Wolf, I quite like those ideas for Dante, pretty snazzy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/285142-what-2014-will-bring/page/11/#findComment-3594556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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