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[Noctem Cultor]

@Tarvick

Those are some nice sketches, any idea on how your going to paint on the runes? (I tried to mimic etched into armour but haven't got it right)

 

@b'rass and Kol

I agree to a point with both of you. Personally I might stick to using my 30k list even if a Legion codex was announced it depends on the content for me.

I've seen many players who stick to this is what the latest codex says and many who throw the rulebook out and say this is how my warband fights.

 

One great thing about are Legion is its all over the place. You have some depleted warbands like Talos Warband, you have some chaos inspired that are large like Kriegs warband and even specialists like Raptor cults. But I would hope that the player makes the call on what's right as I don't question when I see Blood Angels using Khorne lists I say pah die loyalist scum!

Edited December 29, 2014 by Noctem Cultor

[Flint13]

I must have that Terminator...

Haha, he's pretty simple, truth be told. Really just a Zhufor head on Abbadon's body. Scrape a few of those goofy Eyes of Horus off, and you're good to go!

 

I'm glad he was pretty popular, especially in my little ploggy. I forget that folks apparently like it when I actually do Night Lords stuff :D

 

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be against a Codex. I'm just against the sheer ignorance and stupidity that seems to plague every Chaos release.

Yeah... I feel you here, and I think I know what you mean. But like Augustus said, haters gonna hate.

 

I think stuff like this is less a problem of the codexs "forcing" people to play a certain way, and more a mindset of a certain group of people who have an idea of how it "should" be done. I suppose it's similar to seeing a movie of your favorite book, and having your favs character look *completely* different from how you pictured them (looking at you, Percy Jackson...). 

 

It's like a rigid inflexibility in imagination and acceptance of other's ideas on a topic you both enjoy and have common ground in. I dunno if I'm just getting more accepting in my advanced age (or too lazy to work myself up as much) but I've found being super inflexible on much of anything really inhibits my potential enjoyment of it. If someone you're playing with or chatting with on a forum has such a strong view on how an army "should" be played that they feel it necessary to correct you on your "incorrect" use of it, I'd be more concerned on how high their blood pressure must be if this is something that is bothering them so intensely. 

 

So yeah, TLDR, relax, enjoy (mini)life and leave those too inflexible to enjoy themselves to their own devices. 

 

S'totally how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb new Dark Eldar codex. 

[RolandTHTG]

Awesome model once again Flint.
I'm also interested in where Tarvick is going with his guys. Is that a Death Guard Termi converted to Nightlords that you sketched? 
 

 

 

 

‘Not if they do not find out,’ replied Nuon. ‘I would not suggest parading the fact to the survivors. In fact, treat them well and have them say as much for a few days. Dread works best in contrast to hope. Torture a few others, have them scream their confessions of resistance across the vox. They will make a compelling argument. And when the enemy capitulate, slaughter them to avoid any risk of further disobedience.’

While I admit I haven't read the story, but might this be what Nuon was proposing?

1) Treat most of the survivors/early surrenders well. Let them make phone calls to their buddies about the nice treatment. 

2) Torture a couple guys that you think will backslide or captured on active missions. Broadcast these as promises of what would happen if they resist. 

3) Make the last hold-outs think that you will treat any surrenders well. 

4) When the last resisting groups surrender, Slaughter all who ever resisted you, early surrender or late surrender. Then let all know that ANY resistance will be met with total destruction. There's no get out of danger, fire a few shots then surrender early card.

 

I think he's arguing that once you have completed the conquest, leave behind no one that could backslide and start up resistance once again.  You either greet them by swearing allegiance, or you die. 

[Augustus b'Raass]

Hear hear to Kol Saresk, Noctem Cultor and Flint. Especially why why whyyyyyy are Chaos versions of Imperial vehicles ALWAYS worse (except for the Fire Raptor) and whyyyyyyyyy can't Chaos have normal drop pods? 

[Flint13]

Hear hear to Kol Saresk, Noctem Cultor and Flint. Especially why why whyyyyyy are Chaos versions of Imperial vehicles ALWAYS worse (except for the Fire Raptor) and whyyyyyyyyy can't Chaos have normal drop pods? 

 

You're an A D-B fan just like most of us... have you never read "Dude, Where's my Land Speeder?"

 

He totally explains it.

 

Spoilered for language maybe?

 

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dude,_Where%27s_my_Land_Speeder%3F

[Slips]

Its 1d4chan Defo spoilerd for things WORSE than language found on there should one stray too far off the beaten path. ie don't look up anything Slaanesh or click on any links dealing with the subject.

[Trysanna]

@Tarvick

Those are some nice sketches, any idea on how your going to paint on the runes? (I tried to mimic etched into armour but haven't got it right)

 

 

I haven't given it too much thought. I like the idea of runes being etched in, but it's not something I know how to paint. I might have them painted onto the armor in reds, but I am honestly unsure. 

 

I'm also interested in where Tarvick is going with his guys. Is that a Death Guard Termi converted to Nightlords that you sketched? 

 

Actually, yes! I used the Death Shroud as inspiration, mostly due to those awesome scythes. I'm thinking that when I get around to Terminators I'll model them around a Grim Reaper theme. I may have to sketch that out a bit more, but I think it's a pretty rad idea. 

-Tarvick

[helterskelter]

Have you considered liquid green stuff for raised runes? If you were aiming for raised and not carved in that is

[Trysanna]

Have you considered liquid green stuff for raised runes? If you were aiming for raised and not carved in that is

I didn't think about that, but I don't see why that couldn't work. I'll have to test it out in a week when I'm finally able to do some hobbying.

[Noctem Cultor]

 

Have you considered liquid green stuff for raised runes? If you were aiming for raised and not carved in that is

I didn't think about that, but I don't see why that couldn't work. I'll have to test it out in a week when I'm finally able to do some hobbying.

 

 

I have done some more runes in my w.i.p blog. I tried etching them in but I don't feel it worked well let me know if the liquid green stuff works well for you!

[Noctem Cultor]

The Long Night Audios out.

Finally some more Sevatar action.

Edited January 2, 2015 by Noctem Cultor

[Kol Saresk]

The Long Night is pretty good. Not what I expected though.

[Trysanna]

Oh, color me excited. Been waiting to hear more about Sev.

-Tarvick

[Noctem Cultor]

The Long Night is pretty good. Not what I expected though.

 

Just downloading it now, to be honest as long as its good NL writing im happy we are still getting some attention.

 

Did anyone listen to The Watcher as it was one or the other and I opted for Sev over the Primarch (I know another Sin in my long list but im sure ill live....for now)

[Conn Eremon]

The Long Night is pretty good. Not what I expected though.

Spoilers for the non-audio inclined?

[Noctem Cultor]

 

The Long Night is pretty good. Not what I expected though.

Spoilers for the non-audio inclined?

 

 

Official Story Synopsis

 

 

The Dark Angels and the Night Lords fought one another to a bloody stalemate during the Thramas Crusade and, though the Lion eventually claimed victory, it left both Legions scattered and under-strength. Jago Sevatarion, First Captain of the Night Lords, languishes in a gaol cell in the heart of Ultramar. Far from a spent force, the Night Lords must consider where their loyalties lie, and what path they will take in the days and months to come.

 

Quick summary

Sevatar's gift is now slowly killing him as we previously knew. He is in a separate cell. He is chatting to Ghost or so he thinks its an Astropath who says she can help him control his 'gift' as she is part of a Choir and they all felt his dreams.

She is beaten for talking to him and Sevatar like a rare few NL decides that does not sit well with him. He is getting transferred with the rest of the NL prisoners (though not at the same time seems they decided to take him seriously).

She is powerful and hold his guard in stasis, he kills the Librarian to ease the strain and then makes his way to her to dispense some NL style justice with a chainsaw. Has a Night Haunter esc moment and then gets captured again but this time his curse/gift seems to be at ease or just his soul (its not really explained).

 

So No other Night Lords or even the Raven make an appearance hey maybe the jail break is next novel.

 

To be honest although im always happy for some more of the 1st Captain, I was hoping for more progression to help us figure out the grand plans for Sevatar, is there a chance he is still alive like Uzas of First Claw and many other claim or did he die during the Heresy!

[helterskelter]

I know these are separate novels/audios, but, why are the DA so fraggin inept? Like beyond forgivable rank ineptitude. Curze gets loose, lionel richie forgets to mention the first company is on his ship. Curze of still being loose, is not relentlessly hunted down AND they decide moving prisoners around is a good idea? Especially Sevatar. You don't just neglect these details. It does not compute to me in the slightest. I disliked DA before. Now? No time for them whatsoever. Full novels about them will be henceforth purchased for completion only. The little watcher creatures are worse. They threaten to kill the lion on caliban in case he's corrupt but luther waltzs about covered in sigils summoning stuff. I hope whoever write about his not turning up to terra makes lionel look like a total :cuss. Sorry i can't believe this legion got one up on the NL. Stupid xenos. Sorry again

[Kol Saresk]

No one knows where Curze is. The last anyone saw of him he was being sucked into the warp by a daemon. The only reason we know he is somewhere in the mountains in Macragge is because we(the readers) got to see him dumped there after he tore the daemon a new one.

 

And yeah, if I had to choose between a battle-barge or one of the most secure planets in the Imperium that is currently serving home to three Primarchs and only Cthulthu knows how many Astartes for a prison, I'd pick the planet.

 

It just so happened that Sevatar got an astropath of umpteenth level psyker abilities to like him. And freeze his guards in transit so he could escape.

 

So yeah, it's not exactly like the Dark Angels are getting it easy. And remember, they had to chase the Night Lords for three years before Sheol. If there's one thing the VIII is good at, its running into the shadows. Shouldn't really be a surprise they're good at it.

[Noctem Cultor]

It just so happened that Sevatar got an astropath of umpteenth level psyker abilities to like him. And freeze his guards in transit so he could escape.

 

He does have a lot of luck for a Night Lord and his other gift is to apparently win over the ladies 

Prince of Crows or Prince Charming?

[Kol Saresk]

The Charming Prince of Crows?

[helterskelter]

Might just be me, but personally if i'd had 3 legions worth of astartes i'd have been inclined to execute the first company of Night Lords. Considering how happy the lion is to kill his own men. I know the answers: plot and reasons, exist but I still think over the course of the DA versus NL, DA are continually making mistakes that should not be made. And if it wasn't for the xenos they picked up, lionel would be rocking back and forth in the foetal position surrounded by flayed corpses. I'm trying desperately not to sound like a fanboy either, because i do like stories about the other legions, I think what I'm getting at is DA could have been written alot better in my opinion

[Noctem Cultor]

Its true DA vs NL so far comes across as DA won but in reality we are really winning. Maybe Night Haunters prophecy has messed a little with the Lions head (if so it needs to be written to explain this). I guess I haven't really questioned it before as the NL were my focus.

[Flint13]

No one knows where Curze is. The last anyone saw of him he was being sucked into the warp by a daemon. The only reason we know he is somewhere in the mountains in Macragge is because we(the readers) got to see him dumped there after he tore the daemon a new one.

 

And yeah, if I had to choose between a battle-barge or one of the most secure planets in the Imperium that is currently serving home to three Primarchs and only Cthulthu knows how many Astartes for a prison, I'd pick the planet.

 

It just so happened that Sevatar got an astropath of umpteenth level psyker abilities to like him. And freeze his guards in transit so he could escape.

 

So yeah, it's not exactly like the Dark Angels are getting it easy. And remember, they had to chase the Night Lords for three years before Sheol. If there's one thing the VIII is good at, its running into the shadows. Shouldn't really be a surprise they're good at it.

Wait, so I just pieced this together after listening to Long Night... but does this mean that in Unremembered Empire, a substantial portion of the 8th Legion, including Sev, are just kinda hanging out in orbit over the burgeoning Imperium Secondus? ... now with minimal security considering most of them got jettisoned down to the planet in Kurze's hilariously timed drop pod shenanigans? 

 

I know these are separate novels/audios, but, why are the DA so fraggin inept? Like beyond forgivable rank ineptitude. Curze gets loose, lionel richie forgets to mention the first company is on his ship. Curze of still being loose, is not relentlessly hunted down AND they decide moving prisoners around is a good idea? Especially Sevatar. You don't just neglect these details. It does not compute to me in the slightest. I disliked DA before. Now? No time for them whatsoever. Full novels about them will be henceforth purchased for completion only. The little watcher creatures are worse. They threaten to kill the lion on caliban in case he's corrupt but luther waltzs about covered in sigils summoning stuff. I hope whoever write about his not turning up to terra makes lionel look like a total . Sorry i can't believe this legion got one up on the NL. Stupid xenos. Sorry again

 

First, a little bit of a pet peeve of mine (don't take it personal ) Why do folks continue to relate the Lion to Lionel Ritchie, much in the way they do Kurze to Batman? Lion El'Jonson is based on the late 19 century poet Lionel Johnson, bff of Oscar Wilde. 

 

But! I don't think it is so much that the Dark Angels are inept, I think it's more that they are trying to fight the Night Lords in exactly the way that the 8th legion excels. Astartes are roughly equal to each other physically and mentally, so when you have one legion predictably moving about their ship as unimaginative jailers and the 8th tossed directly into their element of shadowplay and guerrilla warfare, it only highlights how good the Night Lords have gotten at making the most out of situations in which they are forced to play the underdog. 

 

This goes doubly so when we look at the Primarch battle contained there. An armored Templar chasing a living shadow through the bowels of a capitol ship does not exactly put the Lion in his best element... Especially since the First Legion flagship seems to be the most stereotypical sci-fi space craft ever. ie...

 

1.) Five or more abandoned decks for every populated and well traveled one

B.) Huge unused voids of space with fantastical high ceilings spanned by girders. 

2.) Only half or less of the light fixtures work, and those that do flicker intermittently.

3.) Everything is inexplicably wet. 

4.) Probably a room somewhere containing nothing but superfluous chains hanging from the ceiling. 

 

The Long Night is pretty good. Not what I expected though.

 

Just downloading it now, to be honest as long as its good NL writing im happy we are still getting some attention.

 

Did anyone listen to The Watcher as it was one or the other and I opted for Sev over the Primarch (I know another Sin in my long list but im sure ill live....for now)

 

The Watcher was pretty awesome, if short and yet another shot across the bow of Space Wolf fans. (whats the deal with the 20 min dramas btw? They used to be about an hour each...).

 

Anywho, in short, it was hilarious.

 

A Space Wolf watch pack shows up to a 8th legion flagship and the Night Lords wait just long enough for them to dock before they begin a round of soccer hooligan-esque beatings. Seriously, they don't even really bother with weapons. Several thousand legionnaires just pound the crap out of the Wolves. It was like the author sat down and was like "I'm tired of all this Space Wolf 'we are the best legion' crap. Imma just show them what I think of that :D

 

But you also get to see the induction of a Space Wolf into the Knights Errant, which I thought was neat.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Flint13

[helterskelter]

If there was a more popular Lionel that's what he'd get called. It's actually nothing in relation to his character, and I use it as wholly derogatory. I'll refrain from it's usage in our hallowed section of forum hereon though. I just find it difficult that you would spend three years trying to stop a guy, and not deal with it before you got to an important destination, and fail for it to be the first thing mentioned when you got there. I'm beginning to think I'm wired wrong! (Insert awkward laughter as appropriate)

[Kol Saresk]

@Flint: No, remember the only people who were captured were the Atramentar that Sevatar ordered to board and whoever was on the ship Cirze hijacked. The rest of the Legion is still scattered across the Eastern Fringe.