++ AUGUSTUS b'RAASS ++ pre-heresy BRASS SCORPION p.247

[KrautScientist]

 

Hmm, the metal wings don't really do much for me -- I think the plastic wings just work better with the general look of the model. I also think Bjorn Firewalker has a point regarding how the model could use something that points towards its former life as an Astartes -- maybe the remains of a breastplate? You could also add some ports to the arms and torso where the power armour used to connect. And maybe some service studs and implants on his forehead as as well?

 

I also stand by the cowl -- it would be possible to have both a cowl and have some of the hair emerge from it. If anything, I'd say a cowl points towards a former mortal life somehow, and also ties him into a more general Death Guard look.

 

Another option would be to feature the suggestion of discarded armour on his base, almost like a shell that the daemonic creature burst out of at the moment of ascension.

 

Oh, and how about some disgusting texture on his arms? Some fly-like bristles, for example

That's great! I mentioned the ports and the campaign studs on his forehead in the comments above, but I guess I must've subconsciously hoarded those from your comment or something. I like the idea of discarded armour.  Maybe I can salvage some plastic DP torso parts - I think I still have one somewhere. Re: the cowl - I'll just see what I can do there. About the fly-like texture - how would you suggest doing that? 

 

 

I think I would start by trying to match the look of the distressed skin areas you see on the pox walkers, with a mix of small pox and small holes. Using GS for the groundwork would make sense -- plus your microbeads could maybe do some of the heavy lifting? As for the bristles, have you considered using...*drum roll* actual bristles? Like, from a cheap brush? Just pluck some out of a cheap brush, push them into the GS as it dries, then maybe give them a coat of superglue/varnish later on to stabilise them? Static grass might also be worth a look, although I'd use the stuff sparingly.

[ElDuderino]

Well now i can't wait to see a khornate take on doomrider! With manticore wings! And bone dust-cocaine!

[hushrong]

Man, I think having armor would be cool but somewhat still attached to him and not discarded. Basically have a breastplate torn open, as if he pried it open himself, splayed over his upper torso. Maybe have one segment barely hanging on by cables or fibre-muscle bundle. Only issue is it would steal away the detail of the Mourngul' emaciated look.

 

Cowls are also cool. Batman has proven that. I'm really digging it now after seen the new AoS ghosts.

[DuskRaider]

If they're meant to be inoperable wings, I'd tatter them up quite a bit to show they're at this point vestigial... Which probably means metal wings won't work. Have you considered Varghast or Terrorgheist wings? Also, I'm not sure the pauldrons work considering he has no other hint of power armour on him. I love that base model, I've always wanted one to mess with.

[rednekkboss]

My two pennies:

 

I can see where the guys are going with armor remnants. If nothing else than to tie in the shoulder plates, which are just sort of hanging there.  There's always the thought of the armor growing into the body/as part of the body, especially at his level of corruption.

 

If he's a Nurgly deamon, I like what Kraut said about the distressed skin, pustules and I think the brush bristle/fly bristles is a great idea. It came to my mind before I read his comment.  I've got to say I like the tattered cloak idea too - but can also see your arguement. 

 

I can understand the wings comments. Zombie Dragon wings? Not sure. Those are a bit small. Maybe the more etheral (plastic) Morghast wings, but not so sure about the size there.   I've run into the same issue with my soon to be unveiled Doombull Deamon Prince. I have old metal Tzeentch wings.... and they just haven't aged well.  So, for now he's sitting on the side lines until I can figure out what to replace them with.

 

To me his lower section looks like a whole bunch of cables? That could definitely be tied into armor or "former Marine" stuff.  But in general, seeing this really makes me consider trying to get my mitts on one of those to convert myself.

[Gederas]

To me his lower section looks like a whole bunch of cables? That could definitely be tied into armor or "former Marine" stuff. But in general, seeing this really makes me consider trying to get my mitts on one of those to convert myself.

Speaking of this, where are those cables from? They look almost like guitar or bass string?

[Subtle Discord]

Positively a thing spawned from nightmares. Excellent.

 

Dare I suggest that you add a dead Marine on the base that is nothing but a withered husk wearing armour? A victim who's lifeforce was drained from their flesh from just beholding this grim visage. Or the other end of the spectrum and have them just turned into a pile of pox and goo with Nurglings crawling out of the remains.

 

The cables could easily be intermingled with intestines and strings of bile/puss/ichor, and I suspect you have plans to add other putrid flesh and tissue details, so I'm interested to see where this goes. Great start!

[Golf33]

I like the plastic wings and I don't think they are too small at all. He has bits missing from him and is quite tattered, so the plastic wings fit that aesthetic well. He's also wiry rather than bulky, so the smaller wings fit that aspect, and also play into the whole 'unnatural floating ethereal thing' vibe of the rest of the model. The metal wings are too small, too clean and don't quite fit the lines of the rest of the model; I think anything bigger than the plastic wings would explain too much and take away from the mystery.

[Eldrick Shadowblade]

Dude. Just. Wow.

 

That being said... I'm with KS on the Wings... I almost think you go tyranid Gargoyle small or Manticore.... what about the bloat fly wings?

I like the idea of a Cowl... almost like that cool cairn wraith they put out a few years ago...

For what it is worth... where's the chains? looks like it should be restrained during the ritual of accession!

Meme of the day: Chainmail makes everything cooler!

[DuskRaider]

By the way I wanted you to know that I just picked one of these up off of eBay for my side project I showed you via PM :D

[Pandoras Bitz Box]

Thanks for the compliment! Honestly, I'm just typing what I'm thinking, I dont really know another way to do it... in fact I get worried its actually irritating and everyone is just so nice they are being polite about it! Also you say your grateful I've been following the thread so closely (I mean why wouldn't I, its great), but I feel like I'm not following closely enough, every time I come back you've started a new cool project... speaking of which...

 

The Mournfang looks great. I really like this model and I had wondered if there was a way to use it myself but haven't cracked it yet. I really love the cables coming out of whats left of his body, I think it really adds some needed volume to the model. Awesome solve on supporting the model. Im not sure if how different the forgeworld resin is from finecast regarding heat/flexibility but I remember seeing a finecast C'tan Deceiver in the local GW that had collapsed under its weight because of the ambient temperature in the display case from the lights. With that wire and the added scenery piece for support I imagine your only you would have had is wobbly model sydrome, but with plastic wings I imagine that wont be as much of a problem either.

 

Very cool.

 

In fact... I might get myself a mournfang, I need some arms and Im sure I can find some cool uses for the other bits...

[Augustus b'Raass]

My apologies to both Krauty and BCK: Soon after I posted the first pictures of the DP and asked for feedback, I did some work on the base and actually glued the main body of the DP together, and posted some pics of that progress. While writing that second post, BCK was writing his first reply, and I missed it. I also missed K'Sci's post then, but that I cannot explain. 

 

Let me list the suggestions I got from you guys:

WINGS:

• Some say the wings are a bit too small. I tend not to agree - larger wings distract from the decrapid, ethereal nature of the miniautre. I will try the...
• manticore wings, though, see below.
• Tyranid wings are either too small for the Gargoyle wings or too big for the winged Hyve Tyranid wings..
• I'll try some wings I also got from KrautScientist in a bits drop from his visit last year.
• technological anti-grav system implanted into its back

ASTARTES ORIGIN

• Sculpt/salvage remnants of his breastplate
• Put remnants of breastplate on the base
• Put some plugs on his chest and back
• Campaign Studs on his forehead
• Cabling from his chest/side to his arms/under his pauldrons
• (remnants of) a backpack
• Armour growing into his flesh
• Put a dead space marine on base

Nurgle

• Give him a Hood/Cowl
• Nurglite Exhausts
• Hunchback
• Fly-like bristles
• Goo up the cables from his underside
• Have nurglings fester the base, possibly over a dead space marine
• chains

 

Other replies:

 

@ Brother Chaplain Kage: (LONG OVERDUE)

 

The wings are comically small. I dunno if you could even find some now, but Balrog wings might be sized more appropriately for this thing. Otherwise, what about some kind of technological anti-grav system implanted into its back? Maybe several tech-looking spines running down the middle of its back. 

Not sure about the smallness of the first plastic wings - compare them in the comparison pictures! Balrog wings are difficult to come by, unfortunately, plus they're SUPER big. I like the idea of a technological anti-grav system, but don't know how that would look other than a Jump Pack, which my other DP already features. Cheers!

 

@ Gederas: Hmmm, that sounds dangerous! I'll give it a go, but I don't have a lot of plastic rod, and wouldn't know how to use the results... any ideas?

 

@ KrautScientist: As luck would have it, I just threw away about ten old brushes! I'll dig them up and see what they'll yield

 

@ ElDuderino: Hahaha picture a doomrider three times the size, and ten times the rock'n'roll!

 

@ hushrong: I like the idea a lot, but am also very concerned to steal away the Mourngul's emaciated look. 

 

@ DuskRaider: I havent tried terrorgheist wings, but I don't have them... I also think they're far too big. 

 

@ rednekkboss: Armour growing into his flesh sounds cool. Zombie Dragon Wings too small? No. They're WAY too big. I have those, and I'm not even going to pin them in place to see how it looks. They're about as big each as the miniature itself! I definitely want to see your take on the Mourngul!

@ Gederas: The cables are pewter cables from Dragonforge

 

@ Subtle Discord: I have the astartes casualties - one of which has a skull for a face... cool idea!

 

@ Golf33: Winy Rather than Bulky is exactly the reason I chose those small wings. Thank you! 

 

@ Eldrick Shadowblade: Bloat Fly wings are super on the nose for a Nurgle Daemon Prince - I never think they work well as they give off an insectile vibe that I don't like for this miniature. Plus they're quite static and straight. I am looking to make this guy flow. The chains on the other hand - GREAT idea! 

 

@ DuskRaider: Whoop whoop! I'm looking forward to seeing it!

 

@ Pandoras Bitz Box: Not at all - I really like those lengthy comments. So please continue! It's MournGUL, but I'll forgive the confusion Resin is quite a bit harder than failcast. Also, finecast 2.0 is far less heat sensitive than the first batch - which was a disaster!

 

And now for the pictures. As suggested, I tried Manticore Wings:

 

 

I find them to be rather big - it off-balances the miniature a bit, in my mind. What's your thoughts on this?
 

Next, some third party decrepid Nurglite wings I received from KrautScientist:

 

Looks far better than I originally envisioned it. Not sure though.... thoughts?

 

And here's a comparison shot of all wing types:

 

As you see, I also did some work on his base - the stone stamps work wonderfully!

 

Cheers!

Edited July 31, 2018 by Augustus b'Raass

[DuskRaider]

I really like the Manticore wings. To get them to work you'll need to add a hunch to the creature's back. I'd do it asymmetrical to make him even more disturbing.

[KrautScientist]

Haha, I actually gave you those somewhat dodgy resin wings as well? I totally didn't remember that until you mentioned it...

 

Anyway, they should work well from a design perspective, but I think the problem is that they don't look like wings on a creature that's currently in flight: They seem to be in a semi-folded state, which really clashes with the model's sense of motion. At the same time, the Manticore wings actually work far better than I had expected. They also do have a rather icky surface texture, IIRC, with lots of veins and coarse hair -- I think they might be the best choice, although if you want to keep them for another conversion (as an aside: a winged creature on a bike sounds like it might be just a bit much...), then I think I'd fall back to the first set of plastic wings you used. I don't think you should go for a tech-y/jump pack solution, as it would just be a rehash of your other Nurglite DP, as you yourself pointed out.

 

Adding some goo between the cabling also sounds like a cool idea (you could easily create a suitably disturbing effect using some stringy glue), but I wouldn't go over the top with it -- see my earlier comment about the lack of a lower body being one of the integral parts of the model.

[ElDuderino]

I think the manticore wings look a bit too spiky and jagged, they clash a bit with the more smooth base miniature. This of course depends on what's going to happen to the rest of it!

 

I quite liked the third party wings until I read k-sci's comments, that made a lot of sense.

 

And now I want to see a bloodthister riding a bike!

[BadgersinHills]

The manticore wings look good, but I think the Vargheist wings look better because the manticore wings seem to be too large for the model. I agree with Kraut about the resin wings, they don't suit the rest of the model. 

[Pandoras Bitz Box]

I like metal wings in terms of flight, they look like they are catching the air, but i prefer the aesthetic of the manticore wings and dont have an issue with the size of them. Elduderino made the point that they dont match the model because the mournGUL is more plainly textured... But thats fine, its a blank canvas and you could sculpt some veins or what ever you need ising the wings as reference to keep continuity. I would go with the manticore wings

 

I was foin going to suggest slimey cables... Not sure the beat way to do it. My only experience is with a hot glue gun. Krautscientist mentioned stringy glue. If you eant to make it subtle then uou could maybe us toothbrus bristles or fishing line to add curved strings of slime. Put beads of nurgles rot or some other thick paint to put globs in it? If you did so something like that you could have arc of the slimey bits pointing back down the path the mourngul has taken and that would help convey movement?

 

You could also do that by adding maybe a stream of maggots crawlimg out from between its ribs?

[Viridia]

Of the comparison pic, I'd have to say the first and the third options look good. Smaller would fit with the style you're taking this, and with them being vestigial, there's no point having xbawks-huge wings on it. I also think the suggestion someone made for an Astartes corpse on the base that looks withered, or even a skeleton head with the marine armour would look good for the whole 'ethereal horror' vibe.

[ranman8]

I tend to like the small plastic wings. The movement really stands out and looks fluid... Just my two cents 

[Augustus b'Raass]

Gah, so many excellent points - only for different wings. 

 

I have one more set of wings as an option, which I'll post just for completion's sake - the old plastic dragon wings:

 

 

Now, the resin, third party Nurglite wings and the metal wings are done for - I just don't like them. In addition, the metal wings are too small and Kraut made an excellent point that the third party wings are folded, while the DP is in mid-flight.

 

That leaves the Vargheist wings, the Manticore wings, and the Dragon wings. All look quite good from the front - but it's the side and rear shots that reveal better how large they are compared to the DP's body. So please, I'd like you to compare these three options one more time:

Dragon wings:

 

Vargheist wings:

 

Manticore Wings:

 

Let me know, please!

Cheers

 

Replies:

 

@ DuskRaider: Good point, although a hunch will make it even more difficult to get a backpack going. I can, however, make it work without the hunch, methinks. A backpack will create enough of a hunch-like protrution :)

 

@ KrautScientist: You did! And you make good points contra the resin wings. Goo between the cables is a go! :) Tanks again for your invaluable insight, mate.

 

@ ElDuderino: That's what my problem with them is, too. Especialy the thumb, index finger and middle fingers are just too.... out there. Even though their size is bothering me less and less....

 

@ Ashenwyte: You make a good point. ......and the size of the manticore wings bother me again. 

 

@ Pandoras itz Box: Manticore wings for you, eh? Alright. Re: the slime - good tips and ideas!!

 

@ Viridia: Hey buddy! Long time no comment here :D Thanks for your input - you're for manticore and vargheist wings equally.. but make a point against huge wings - so what do you make of the comparison pics, above?

 

@ ramman8: Those are some valuable two cents. Thank you!

[hushrong]

Vargheist vote. It just looks right.

 

The dragon wings look really big and add quite a bulk of musculature before any GS work. This takes away from the emaciated look of the mourngul I like. As for the manitcore wings I just do not care for all the spinal growths it has.

Edited July 31, 2018 by hushrong

[Naryn]

I quite like the third party wigs, personally. I read the daemon’s posture as if it were supporting itself with the hand touching the base, so the furled wings don’t stand out as weird to me. That said, the manticore wings are lovely and definitely work with the model. I think the texture on them could work really well with the bristles and whatnot that have been suggested in this thread. The crypt flayers wings feel a little bland, and the texture doesn’t really seem to match the look of the rest of the model. As for the Nightmare wings, i’m not sold on the head-on pose for these. I don’t think it gels with the rest of the model. If you were to rotate them more, as you did in the first picture, i think they fit better, but they still look dramatically undersized. I almost want to suggest them as a set of secondary wings, but i’m not sure the mourngul has enough surface area for something like that.

[Quixus]

Manticore wings are my favourite. The dragon wings are too bulky for this model IMHO and the Vargheist wings look too short.

[gaurdian31]

I love the stubby Vargheist wings, I think they fit him the best. 

[Subtle Discord]

Personally, I think the Vargheist wings suit the model the best as the details seem more in sync. I appreciate that the size of Manticore wings fits the model well but they just don't support the overall ragged, ghostly, and sinewy vibe I get from the model. I don't think the smaller size really hurts the composition in this case because of what's already been mentioned; they don't need to be functional wings with correct proportions, as is the way of the warp, because this Prince thinks they should be able to fly they have wings to embody that idea, but they don't necessarily have to be functional wings that actually generate lift. I would actually offer that as feedback; consider shredding and removing much of the membrane between the 'fingers' of the wings to really embrace that they're simply an allegory for wings and they're defying the laws of physics by using them to fly.