++ Excessive Perfection - An Emperor's Children Community ++

[Forté]

Now Flint. You know I'll easily spend hours on one part of a model ;)

[Emperors Immortals]

Now Flint. You know I'll easily spend hours on one part of a model

 

For those results, ill try it too!

 

Looking forward to Krannon btw.

[Forté]

Looking forward to Krannon btw.

Who's painting Krannon?

[Emperors Immortals]

Someone else lol, half that post was for a different thread.

 

/facepalm.

[Forté]

Someone else lol, half that post was for a different thread.

 

/facepalm.

I will at some point. The mini is kept safely hidden.

[incinerator950]

Excessive reasons.

[Loesh]

Jumping in because you guys might like a quick update to break up the wargaming stuff. So far i'v got a total of five people interested in the Strike Force on Eternal Crusade, while it was at first a general Slaaneshi guild...it's looking like pretty much everyone who's going so far as to make a Slaaneshi marked marine, also wants to be an Emperor's Children marine. The Dev's actually seem to pretty aware that the mono-legions is something people REALLY want, in fact a pretty sizable chunk of the people who are playing black legion seem to actually just be people waiting for the god dedicated stuff.

 

While not explicitly Slaaneshi, we also got a very Slaaneshi looking melta with a very Slaaneshi sounding name, the Hellkiss: https://bhvr-ec-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/up1i43nzkyk71/source.png

 

They want the factions to be very fleshed out though, so they want to put special abilities in(Death Guard Blight Grenades, or for us something like Warp Scream.) so that we have very clear legion identities, which will take some time to do.

[Strazhakov]

Just give me a Doom Siren and I'll be happy. That meltagun looks wicked though. Glad the devs seem to be 40k nerds as well.

[incinerator950]

Jumping in because you guys might like a quick update to break up the wargaming stuff. So far i'v got a total of five people interested in the Strike Force on Eternal Crusade, while it was at first a general Slaaneshi guild...it's looking like pretty much everyone who's going so far as to make a Slaaneshi marked marine, also wants to be an Emperor's Children marine. The Dev's actually seem to pretty aware that the mono-legions is something people REALLY want, in fact a pretty sizable chunk of the people who are playing black legion seem to actually just be people waiting for the god dedicated stuff.

 

While not explicitly Slaaneshi, we also got a very Slaaneshi looking melta with a very Slaaneshi sounding name, the Hellkiss: https://bhvr-ec-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/up1i43nzkyk71/source.png

 

They want the factions to be very fleshed out though, so they want to put special abilities in(Death Guard Blight Grenades, or for us something like Warp Scream.) so that we have very clear legion identities, which will take some time to do.

I know I come off verbally negative about it, nor will I ever apologize for that, but this is one of the few places besides ADBs fanpages and a dedicated forum where you have people who deeply like them.

 

The defining characteristics of cult marines have been legion stemmed, so I say bring them. Naturally I can't play of course :(.

[Loesh]

Oh i'm not insulting the Black Legion in any way, but because of how the Black Legion is set up(Children of Torment, Hounds of Abaddon.) that's where a lot of the mono-legion guys are hanging out because...well.

 

The other factions are as follows:

 

Word Bearers(Purely undivided.)

Iron Warriors(Scorn the Daemonic.)

Night Lords(Not religious at all.)

 

As you can see, we don't have much in the way of choice. :p

[Tenebris]

Oh i'm not insulting the Black Legion in any way, but because of how the Black Legion is set up(Children of Torment, Hounds of Abaddon.) that's where a lot of the mono-legion guys are hanging out because...well.

 

The other factions are as follows:

 

Word Bearers(Purely undivided.)

Iron Warriors(Scorn the Daemonic.)

Night Lords(Not religious at all.)

 

As you can see, we don't have much in the way of choice.

 

 

Actually this statement is not correct, or to better phrase it, no longer correct. In Talon of Horus the overall ideology of the Black Legion was revealed in the last chapter. Namely the Black Legion when committed to battle fights as a very professional and disciplined army, united in purpose, as the ancient brotherhoods of astartes did in the era of the legions. The Black Legion cares not who is the patron of the legionary in question and this disinterest is presented in the quote: "let the dark gods empower who their wish". To say that this modern version of the Black Legion is especially fond of a holy artifice such as faith is IMO wrong. 

 

The subfactions presented in the Black Legion supplement were nice back then but with the lore developing and with Talon of Horus my impression is that this subfactions are in fact a reiteration of the old lodge orders, where astartes who shared their views gathered in secret orders. So for example we have a Slaaneshi marine part of the Children of Torment who between battles and duties goes to the meeting place of his "lodge, cult, sect" where he practices Slaaneshi worship.

 

Now some warbands are monogod, most are undivided but I see that the need for discipline, professional outlook and unbending loyalty to the orders of the Warmaster is much more imperative than the singular faith of the Black Legion astartes. 

 

All in all I consider the "modern and post Talon of Horus" Black Legion and its approach to the whole metaphysics of the Warp as simply "Chaos practical". 

[Loesh]

 

Actually this statement is not correct, or to better phrase it, no longer correct. In Talon of Horus the overall ideology of the Black Legion was revealed in the last chapter. Namely the Black Legion when committed to battle fights as a very professional and disciplined army, united in purpose, as the ancient brotherhoods of astartes did in the era of the legions. The Black Legion cares not who is the patron of the legionary in question and this disinterest is presented in the quote: "let the dark gods empower who their wish". To say that this modern version of the Black Legion is especially fond of a holy artifice such as faith is IMO wrong. 

 

The subfactions presented in the Black Legion supplement were nice back then but with the lore developing and with Talon of Horus my impression is that this subfactions are in fact a reiteration of the old lodge orders, where astartes who shared their views gathered in secret orders. So for example we have a Slaaneshi marine part of the Children of Torment who between battles and duties goes to the meeting place of his "lodge, cult, sect" where he practices Slaaneshi worship.

 

Now some warbands are monogod, most are undivided but I see that the need for discipline, professional outlook and unbending loyalty to the orders of the Warmaster is much more imperative than the singular faith of the Black Legion astartes. 

 

All in all I consider the "modern and post Talon of Horus" Black Legion and its approach to the whole metaphysics of the Warp as simply "Chaos practical". 

 

 

Fair enough actually, having bought Talon of Horus myself just recently. A lot of those folks were going off of the Black Legion Supplement.

 

But of the four legions available it still fits, well..five legions, the last is presumed to go to the Alpha Legion by default. I get the impression GW wanted the four undivided legions for accessibility purposes but either didn't realize, or were unable to do anything about, the fact that those four legions still had limiting factors within them when it came to mono-god worship.

[Tenebris]

At the end of the day "worship" is a very singular thing, even more so in terms of Chaos worship thus we have a myriad of cults in a single warband, let alone in the "traitor legions". I think that the monogod factions are in fact a minority in the Black Legion and my impression is that they side with the Warmaster (whether they bear the black plate or simply pay lip service, matters not) mostly because their original legions cannot support them efficiently. The same argument can be made for Emperor's Children siding with Iron Warriors, Word Bearers... perhaps even being assimilated by them.

 

In clear Emperor's Children terms I see them still having some impressive strongholds, shrine worlds and similar things (10k years are a long way, warp or not) but they are nowhere near to actively place many claims around the Eye. A fate, I suspect, shared by many monogod warbands. 

 

This is part of the reason why I see my Thousand Sons warband being able to "function" only as part of the Black Legion, despite the might of Sortiarius, and we speak of a legion who had it way worse than the Emperor's Children. 

[Loesh]

Of course that largely depends on interpretation and...what's actually happened within the Eye. For example several thousand years later a VERY large EC warhost hit's Lugganath, and of course the first war of Armegeddon.

 

How big anyone actually is, is left deliberately vague not to alienate any one legion. A policy I wholeheartedly support, if I question it's exact execution.

 

Save of course the Black Legion who are largest because...well...they are led by the antichrist of 40k, of course they are. The Red Cosairs who are at legion strength, and the Word Bearers who are smaller then either, but very organized nonetheless.

[Loesh]

That said, I should say I could of probably worded that better.

 

Sorry if anyone felt particularly offended by the statement.

[Emperors Immortals]

Over the last threes editions of 40k I'm sure Chaos fans have gotten used to insults.

 

These are some interesting points, the idea the Gods will empower whoever they deem worthy while being "chaos practical" (gorgeous turn of phrase there) is defiantly the groundwork for a BL and general CSM renaissance of sorts.

 

A DB made it attractive to field a unified force of legion strength just like the Roman army did, those legionars have earned there citizenship in the Eye, and are accorded the rights and honour of there patron Abaddon.

 

I stay away from as many 40k fan sites as I can, there all pretty toxic to an open mind, so I'mamazed there are any other Slaanesh fans at all, not to mention EC itself.

 

Its a good time for the hobby me thinks.

[Loesh]

Right, a thread that grabbed my attention today actually was that  we were talking about what to rename tacticals to separate them from LSM equivalents, one of the developers went so far as to say he'd bring the case to GW.

 

The one word we all latched onto was Legionnaire, or some variation on it. Like, every single post had it regardless of affiliation, the thing is while the Black Legion and Red Cosairs are the only groups with Legion strength that is not how the fanbase perceives things. 

 

While renegades are cool, people for one reason or another love legions and what they represent, and why not? Legions are cool, legions have history, they have customs, they have emblems and traditions, things that people can latch onto and wear on their sleeve.

 

It was interesting.

[Captain Tezdal]

Just curious, are the EC shoulder pads always out of stock on the GW website? Been waiting like 3 weeks to order them.

[Forté]

Just curious, are the EC shoulder pads always out of stock on the GW website? Been waiting like 3 weeks to order them.

Don't say 'out of stock' on the UK site. They're finecast so guessing they cast them to order these days.

[incinerator950]

Of course that largely depends on interpretation and...what's actually happened within the Eye. For example several thousand years later a VERY large EC warhost hit's Lugganath, and of course the first war of Armegeddon.

 

How big anyone actually is, is left deliberately vague not to alienate any one legion. A policy I wholeheartedly support, if I question it's exact execution.

 

Save of course the Black Legion who are largest because...well...they are led by the antichrist of 40k, of course they are. The Red Cosairs who are at legion strength, and the Word Bearers who are smaller then either, but very organized nonetheless.

Because plot reasons. I have to question how Huron bolstered his forces in less than a thousand years because of numbers fudging, just like asking how many marines are available when the Black Legion has ten times the amount of Word Bearers.

 

Anyway, the amount of red I've been seeing has prompted me to drop my WB/BoA concepts, so now I have to scrub the ever living crap out of my project.

[Captain Tezdal]

 

Just curious, are the EC shoulder pads always out of stock on the GW website? Been waiting like 3 weeks to order them.

Don't say 'out of stock' on the UK site. They're finecast so guessing they cast them to order these days.

Has been "temporarily out of stock" here for a bit, thinking of just buying some of the pre heresy FW ones instead

[Forté]

 

 

Just curious, are the EC shoulder pads always out of stock on the GW website? Been waiting like 3 weeks to order them.

Don't say 'out of stock' on the UK site. They're finecast so guessing they cast them to order these days.

Has been "temporarily out of stock" here for a bit, thinking of just buying some of the pre heresy FW ones instead

Do it. Those are really well done.

[Captain Tezdal]

 

 

 

Just curious, are the EC shoulder pads always out of stock on the GW website? Been waiting like 3 weeks to order them.

Don't say 'out of stock' on the UK site. They're finecast so guessing they cast them to order these days.

Has been "temporarily out of stock" here for a bit, thinking of just buying some of the pre heresy FW ones instead

Do it. Those are really well done.

I just hate ordering from FW, the urge to splurge and start a pre heresy army gets me every time. How do the PH EC heads and chest plates look mixed in with chaos marine kit?

[tenebre]

I am starting my new Slaanesh army. I want in on this :) Am I too late?

[incinerator950]

The party never ends. Just slap forte a bit and he'll set you up.