depthcharge12 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Hot damn So if we factor in that new apothecary (bc damn, why wouldn't we take him?) I can get a despoiler squad with Rage, hatred, Str 5, re-rolling wound rolls of 1 *and* an extra attack if I feel like loosing 1/6 of my Astartes. It's good to be the (warrior) kings :d You're welcome ;) Does the new dude also have a Narthecium? That could mean FNP on them too. Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Well BA still requires a troop tax, so I think the choice of FNP/IWND in the enemy zone is easier because you can create a more mobile force without having to sink a bunch of points into a tac & rhino or 20 man squad. The way I see it, is WE lists are either built two ways - BA or not. If you aren't planning on using BA I fancy there's no real downside to taking the new RoW for the xtra bonuses. After all, you should be in the enemy zone and killing lots with our combat bonuses. Strong FNP helps with attrition and not having a troop tax helps you get into the enemy zone quicker. At the least, I think it's viable as an alternative which is nice. You can still roll with a Chappy for Zealot too, to get those delish BA results without having to pay for an extra unecessary tactical. Apoc changes? Are they..cheaper? Also there's the rumourmilling of cheaper ASM, so BA may be even better now with socketing 2x tacs 1x ASM soon, or we can hope :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) I think it's a bit of a stretch to call roided up despoilers a troop "tax." Even if you don't factor in the special character apothecary bonuses, our 150pt despoiler squads are hard as hell. Compared to other legions' stock troops options, we come out on top. *EDIT* Huh... Str 6 despoilers are pretty easily within reach with that new apothecary too. That's crazy. It's a good day. Edited February 7, 2016 by Flint13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 New apoc? Details? I mean I'd always take apocs with despoilers cos duh. Well my style is to roll in deep with 2 Spartans brimming with 40 despoilers and ICs, so I need hard hitting AV or AP2. Taking another despoiler squad suddenly means I can't afford a Deredeo etc. So on that list I get the FNP/IWN free basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 @Potato [borrowed from Garro on hh30k] •Gahlan Surlak: worlds eaters version of 'fabulous' bile, a lovely gent who's basically gone ":cuss it instead of helping the injured, i'm going to make the 'nails' even worse. he can 'augment' any tactical squad, giving them +1 str and FNP (6+) but they also have -1BS and are no longer scoring (still denial). in addition those units don't confer VP for being killed. he also has another rule for any unit he joins, in any assault phase the entire unit can have +1 attack, but at the end of the phase, each surviving model must roll a 2+ or be removed from play. doesn't effect minis with the 'character' rule. This last rule is also applied to all WE primus medicae and apothecaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 @Potato [borrowed from Garro on hh30k] •Gahlan Surlak: worlds eaters version of 'fabulous' bile, a lovely gent who's basically gone ":cuss it instead of helping the injured, i'm going to make the 'nails' even worse. he can 'augment' any tactical squad, giving them +1 str and FNP (6+) but they also have -1BS and are no longer scoring (still denial). in addition those units don't confer VP for being killed. he also has another rule for any unit he joins, in any assault phase the entire unit can have +1 attack, but at the end of the phase, each surviving model must roll a 2+ or be removed from play. doesn't effect minis with the 'character' rule. This last rule is also applied to all WE primus medicae and apothecaries. Hoooooooooooooooly balls. That's...that's amazing. It's official, FW have decreed Despoiler>True Grit :D Ok now running BA with triple tacs is more tempting, as you can use the other as a rhino scorer to offset the loss of scoring by Gahlan. Eeeeee so exciting. Could also stack FNP - Gahlan, Legion Apoc & New RoW? Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Bro. World Eaters. What is scoring anyway? ;) nothing but complete extermination should satisfy. Now I'm confused at his latter wording...does the +1 attack and the "combat drugs" rule apply to all apothecaries attached to a squad when Gahlan is there? Billy Butcher 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 "What objectives?" ~WE Praetors everywhere Prodigal Son of Magnus, depthcharge12, Billy Butcher and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Now see I always thought the objective was complete annihilation. Due to all of the changes to the world eaters I now have an incredible urge to do World Eaters. They corralate with my playstlye really well, aggressive, infantry assualt better then the black templars did all while having my favorite rule in the game! Flint13 and Billy Butcher 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 "What objectives?" ~WE Praetors everywhere "Kill, maim, objectives? Who the :cuss said that?!?! I want him in the pits for extremis right now!" -Khârn Billy Butcher 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Incarnate violence has been changed and Bloodlust has been improved. Blood madness is the same. [snip] Hoped for a Caedere fix, but I heard nothing about it... Well I'll gladly stand corrected on that. I'm definitely not familiar enough with the base LA: WE rules apparently. Though I'll be honest, the main things I was looking for were changes to characters & units and maybe the chain axe rule. Although if you wanted those subpar loyalist LA: World Eater rules back there is a loyalist WE character in the book that lets you keep using them! He is also Marked by Dark Fates. Hmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God-Potato of Mankind Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 "What objectives?" ~WE Praetors everywhere Well, if that isn't fluffy I don't know what is :) Honestly I think I prefer to go for maximum killitude when I play, so these new buffs are right up my street like nobodies business should be! Gonna convert the new Primus Medicae IC using the power armoured praetor body from FW. Aww yiss. WE really do have some beast leaders - Khârn, Angron & now this dude. It makes a nice change from Salamanders that's for sure :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
temneb Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I was close to using meteor hammers for my sergeants prior to this update. But with the reroll ones to wound on the charge, it's just a no brainer to me. With bezerker. Reroll misses first round. Wounding on twos, reroll 1's on the charge. Hopefully we kept the +1 WS in a challenge. Put it on your sergeant, will hit with 3.5 ish (if we keep the +1 WS), will wound with at least 3= one failed save on av3 at init 5. Will remove AV 2 in a challenge .6ish of the time. This is going to be my new go to for sergeants I think. Removes the need for Artificer for 15pts. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2gud2bbad Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 I was close to using meteor hammers for my sergeants prior to this update. But with the reroll ones to wound on the charge, it's just a no brainer to me. With bezerker. Reroll misses first round. Wounding on twos, reroll 1's on the charge. Hopefully we kept the +1 WS in a challenge. Put it on your sergeant, will hit with 3.5 ish (if we keep the +1 WS), will wound with at least 3= one failed save on av3 at init 5. Will remove AV 2 in a challenge .6ish of the time. This is going to be my new go to for sergeants I think. Removes the need for Artificer for 15pts. What do you guys think? Powerfist is still my go-to. Imagine a tac squad sarge augmented with those new combat drugs. on the charge you get 5 S9 AP2 Attacks with pseudo shred and Hatred. Oh boy, imagine some lucky rolls... The bad thing about them hammers is their lacking ap. Since you might be in challenges you will mostly fail to kill the other character before he minces you with his Power fist or Axe or what ignores your 3+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just to confirm, we do indeed keep that +1 WS in challenges. Which also means Khârn is better at swording than the literal Champion of the Emperor :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just to confirm, we do indeed keep that +1 WS in challenges. Which also means Khârn is better at swording axing than the literal Champion of the Emperor Correct. Incranate Violence is a rule that got straight-up buffed. You get the +1WS in challenges, but also re-rolls of a 1 To Wound on any turn that you charge into combat. Excepting Disordered charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just to confirm, we do indeed keep that +1 WS in challenges. Did we has that before the weekender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2gud2bbad Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Do we already know what this master apothecary is going to be points wise? Stargazer1st 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Do we already know what this master apothecary is going to be points wise? I wanna say I heard 140 points, but don't quote me on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2gud2bbad Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Do we already know what this master apothecary is going to be points wise? I wanna say I heard 140 points, but don't quote me on it. lol, auto include then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 What does he do? There where way to much information during the weekender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just to confirm, we do indeed keep that +1 WS in challenges.Did we has that before the weekender? We did, yes. Pg 20 of the Isstvan campaign legions book, under the World Eaters' "Incarnate violence" rule. Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Damn, I totally missed that. But haven't played very much with them it wasn't a big deal. Nice to know anyway. So, tell me about this crazy Apothecarius of us. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2gud2bbad Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 (edited) Damn, I totally missed that. But haven't played very much with them it wasn't a big deal. Nice to know anyway. So, tell me about this crazy Apothecarius of us. Servus mein Guter, he's basically our new special IC. Master apothecary who gives you the option to give your tactical Squads +1S +6FNP at cost of -1BS and they cannot score anymore but still deny objectives. Upgraded Squads don't confer VP's for getting killed. In addition to that, he and any fellow apothecary can boost the Squad attacks they are attached to by +1. At the end of the combat phase you have to 1D6 for every model of yours surviving the combat, 1 rolled kills the model. That guy is pretty much an auto-include. Combined with our updated legion special rule and Berserker assault ROW this turns your guys in CQB monsters, even more than ever. @ our fellow World Eaters Are Red Butchers and Rampagers still the same? What about our Caedere-Weaponry? Edited February 10, 2016 by 2gud2bbad Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Aye. If you are running that kind of army anyway (60 Marines blobbing out of Kharybdis/Spartans) then that Apothecary is awesome. Fangbanger and Flint13 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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