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The secret to painting black is to not paint black paint really dark grey!

 

I prime all my ravens black and then do all the black parts with Vallejo grey black, then I'll do a light dry brush of mechanicus grey around the edges and then wash the whole thing with Nuln oil, it's "black" but not black.

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Heavy weathered drop pod

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Kiavahran Skitarii sounds awesome, and yes, I'd say it makes sense. While our only real look into this forge world is as depicted in Deliverance Lost, a world in resistance to the Legion, the rebellion is put down, and we haven't heard of a repeat event in ten thousand years (though absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).

 

So while our only real insight into them is as a resistant, rebellious faction, it's my assumption that it was a rare outlier event.

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Kiavahran Skitarii sounds awesome, and yes, I'd say it makes sense. While our only real look into this forge world is as depicted in Deliverance Lost, a world in resistance to the Legion, the rebellion is put down, and we haven't heard of a repeat event in ten thousand years (though absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).

 

So while our only real insight into them is as a resistant, rebellious faction, it's my assumption that it was a rare outlier event.

 

 

Plus the rebels would have been put down in that one rebellion and the rest of the planet is now mechanicus, eh?

 

 

would the RG have strong ties with the mechanicus forges too? I imagine with Kiavahran being a forge they are pretty close with other places. and plus their discreet tactics with minimal collateral damage would earn them a few brownie points. :wink:

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Kiavahran Skitarii sounds awesome, and yes, I'd say it makes sense. While our only real look into this forge world is as depicted in Deliverance Lost, a world in resistance to the Legion, the rebellion is put down, and we haven't heard of a repeat event in ten thousand years (though absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).

 

So while our only real insight into them is as a resistant, rebellious faction, it's my assumption that it was a rare outlier event.

 

 

Plus the rebels would have been put down in that one rebellion and the rest of the planet is now mechanicus, eh?

 

 

would the RG have strong ties with the mechanicus forges too? I imagine with Kiavahran being a forge they are pretty close with other places. and plus their discreet tactics with minimal collateral damage would earn them a few brownie points. :wink:

 

 

If I recall correctly, Kiavahr's forges are in the service of the Raven Guard Legion and later Chapter. They're not the Raven Guard's forges, they are the Mechanicus' first and foremost, but it is in service of the Raven Guard that is their primary task.

 

It would stand to reason that the Raven Guard would have sworn oaths of brotherhood with the Kiavahran forces and have fought alongside them from time to time. I would expect the Raven Guard would have as close a relationship with Kiavahr as the the inheritors of Ferrus Manus do with the Mechanicus in general.

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Kiavahran Skitarii sounds awesome, and yes, I'd say it makes sense. While our only real look into this forge world is as depicted in Deliverance Lost, a world in resistance to the Legion, the rebellion is put down, and we haven't heard of a repeat event in ten thousand years (though absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).

 

So while our only real insight into them is as a resistant, rebellious faction, it's my assumption that it was a rare outlier event.

 

 

Plus the rebels would have been put down in that one rebellion and the rest of the planet is now mechanicus, eh?

 

 

would the RG have strong ties with the mechanicus forges too? I imagine with Kiavahran being a forge they are pretty close with other places. and plus their discreet tactics with minimal collateral damage would earn them a few brownie points. :wink:

 

 

If I recall correctly, Kiavahr's forges are in the service of the Raven Guard Legion and later Chapter. They're not the Raven Guard's forges, they are the Mechanicus' first and foremost, but it is in service of the Raven Guard that is their primary task.

 

It would stand to reason that the Raven Guard would have sworn oaths of brotherhood with the Kiavahran forces and have fought alongside them from time to time. I would expect the Raven Guard would have as close a relationship with Kiavahr as the the inheritors of Ferrus Manus do with the Mechanicus in general.

 

 

 

I think that would be the case yes =D but question: is there any fluf on the K-Forge (not typing it all out again atm) having some Raven Specific tech? like the Wispercutter from the horus heresy or the Darkwing? Or maybe even more of those nuclear mining charges that can be turned into bombs?

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Far as I am aware, the only real source of info on Kiavahr is the Index Astartes article, Extermination and Deliverance Lost.

 

If you have the FW book, look up the fluffbox for the Darkwing. I believe it answers your question as best as is available.

 

If you don't, I can transcribe it.

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Kiavahr is host to a caste of tech-adepts who yet refuse to cede the full extent of their machine lore to the Mechanicum, citing the higher sovereignty of the Legiones Astartes. The outbreak of the Heresy has made it unlikely the matter will be settled in the short term, and so they supply their Raven Guard lords with specialised war machines while refusing to acknowledge higher authority.

 

The bulk of the Kiavahran guilds' secrets relate to advanced field technologies predating Old night. Such technologies have a range of applications, but the most efficacious to the Raven Guard are those that can increase further the stealth characteristics of their war machines, in particular, armour and vehicles.

 

The Darkwing pattern Storm Eagle is fitted with a range of highly prized and barely understood systems, from its rad-shrouded armour to its quantum field repellors. These additional systems require a higher degree of maintenance and some interior space is sacrificed to make room for them, meaning the vehicle has a slightly reduced troop-carrying capacity. Given that the Darkwing pattern is often utilised to insert small units of elite warriors deep into enemy held territory, this is no great loss and so each chapter within the Legion maintains a stock of these highly prized gunships.

 

It's notable to mention that this is talking about the Great Crusade Kiavahr, and not the Heresy/post-Heresy Kiavahr.

 

We know during the Heresy that Kiavahr rebelled. Though the rebellion was put down, that such an event occurred must have meant many changes would be in store for the Forge World.

 

But more than that, we have the Scouring, and the break up of not just the Legions in size, but in power and authority as well. It's more than likely that their independence from the Mechanicum ended, and they are now fully part of the Mechanicus, and that their "Raven Guard lords" are lords no more, but allies, equals. 

 

This likely had a profound impact on Kiavahr, bringing it more in line with the traditional, standardized Forge Worlds. However, it's kind of up in the air how much of what they once were remained. The usual argument that they can't still have access to it, because we would have seen it, is an invalid one. The 40k setting is vast, and what we are shown, through all the myriad sources, is but a reflection of the most visible, dominant, or relevant. What we see is likely only descriptive of 5% of the whole, which leaves plenty of room.

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Kiavahr is host to a caste of tech-adepts who yet refuse to cede the full extent of their machine lore to the Mechanicum, citing the higher sovereignty of the Legiones Astartes. The outbreak of the Heresy has made it unlikely the matter will be settled in the short term, and so they supply their Raven Guard lords with specialised war machines while refusing to acknowledge higher authority.

 

The bulk of the Kiavahran guilds' secrets relate to advanced field technologies predating Old night. Such technologies have a range of applications, but the most efficacious to the Raven Guard are those that can increase further the stealth characteristics of their war machines, in particular, armour and vehicles.

 

The Darkwing pattern Storm Eagle is fitted with a range of highly prized and barely understood systems, from its rad-shrouded armour to its quantum field repellors. These additional systems require a higher degree of maintenance and some interior space is sacrificed to make room for them, meaning the vehicle has a slightly reduced troop-carrying capacity. Given that the Darkwing pattern is often utilised to insert small units of elite warriors deep into enemy held territory, this is no great loss and so each chapter within the Legion maintains a stock of these highly prized gunships.

 

It's notable to mention that this is talking about the Great Crusade Kiavahr, and not the Heresy/post-Heresy Kiavahr.

 

We know during the Heresy that Kiavahr rebelled. Though the rebellion was put down, that such an event occurred must have meant many changes would be in store for the Forge World.

 

But more than that, we have the Scouring, and the break up of not just the Legions in size, but in power and authority as well. It's more than likely that their independence from the Mechanicum ended, and they are now fully part of the Mechanicus, and that their "Raven Guard lords" are lords no more, but allies, equals. 

 

This likely had a profound impact on Kiavahr, bringing it more in line with the traditional, standardized Forge Worlds. However, it's kind of up in the air how much of what they once were remained. The usual argument that they can't still have access to it, because we would have seen it, is an invalid one. The 40k setting is vast, and what we are shown, through all the myriad sources, is but a reflection of the most visible, dominant, or relevant. What we see is likely only descriptive of 5% of the whole, which leaves plenty of room.

 

 

 

Oh snap I didn't think about that, I guess your right then.  if it kept some stealth tech, do you think that, like ryza and plasma weaponry, this planet is the main host of stealth tech in segmentum tempestus?

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I emailed FW to enquire on when we will see new kits to cover their specialist units and special characters that have appeared in the HH books. They gave me a very vague answer that it will happen but they can't say when.

 

Similiary I asked if they would get more coverage in the future and enquired about new units like the mutated Raptors. They said that the Raven Guard will appear again but they had no plans for now.

 

Finally I asked if they would update the Mark VI like they did with mark II III and IV. They said there was no plans to at the moment but it is something they would do in the future.

 

Just thought I would pass on what they said to my fellow Rookery Brothers.

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