Sigismund229 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 The jade general being mao? Saw him more as Chiang Kai-shek^^He could be both. Like Hec has the empire building instinct of Theodoric, Charlemagne and Offa,the desire to do right by his people of Alaric and the warlike nature of Erik Bloodaxe, Harald Hardrada and Clovis. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4482693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Only that Kai-Shek and Mao were enemies and their ideology was the total opposite. But that is real world talk. So back to topic. Where is the suzerainity at the start. At half and at the end? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4482699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 So were Clovis and Theodoric ;) I'd say that at the beginning of its life, te Suzerainty would be a small cluster of worlds focussed on Strela as I imagine the Warbringers doing most of the heavy lifting in terms of ruling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4482708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Didn't Theodric marry the sister of Clovis to become ally with him? Hmm Han and Strela are really a bit apart. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4482714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 28, 2016 Share Posted August 28, 2016 Didn't Theodric marry the sister of Clovis to become ally with him? Hmm Han and Strela are really a bit apart. I believe so. But in every other respect they were enemies and opposites. When Clovis threatened to invade the Visigothic kingdom, Theodoric alligned himself with the Visigoths in an alliance to stop Clovis expanding into Ostrogothic areas of influence and they nearly went to war when Clovis annexed the Burgundian kingdom but Clovis backed down rather than risk war with the Ostrogoths. Apart from being political rivals, they also were opposites in how they ran their kingdoms. Theodoric introduced an apartheid between the Ostrogothic warriors and Latin administrators, with the Ostrogoths being forbidden from learning how to read or write as well as being forbidden to convert from Aryan christianity to Catholicism but were exempt from tax and got an annual donative of money from the king whereas latins paid tax but could also not convert and had fewer legal rights than the Ostrogoths. By contrast, Clovis replaced the old roman landlords with his own warriors who he strongly encouraged to become christian rather than staying pagan and learn to read, wrkte and speak latin. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4482722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Don't know if it is important enough but for the protocol: The system of Herjiar (home of House Harkon) is in between the Fenris system and the "S" of Segmentum Obscurus (looking on our BotL Map). Therefore very close together to further support their close comradeship. The Predators' homeworld of Mardum (and further the Shattered Worlds) is within the canon Dominion of Storms. Looking on our map, draw a horizontal line from Anvillus to the right and a vertical line from Tigrus to the north. Where both lines cross, there would be Mardum. Not the exact point but somewhere over there. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4482956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Both are important factors, though Mardum more so. I've added both to my notes! I really need sleep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4482969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 I'd say it's important enough. Others I can think of: - Xenobia/Interex domain in general - Aureus - the Towers of the Nightguard - Cognis' domain in the Ghoul/Halo Stars Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4482979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Why a bulge between Ryza and Delos? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4483379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Why a bulge between Ryza and Delos? In my mind Icarion would still be primarily trying to seize Terra so his forces would pin in place and avoid spots of great resistance in order to keep advancing. So there would be a bulge roughly between those two where spots of resistance have been avoided. Now I could of course be wrong but that's how I imagined it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4483384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 29, 2016 Share Posted August 29, 2016 Maybe a shallow, rounded bulge. Anything too 'pointed', and it becomes really easy to flank or surround. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4483393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 I sat down to write the section about the Day of Revelation and how the galaxy is divided between the Warmaster and Icarion's zones of influence just after the Day of Revelation for Expansion. But we haven't actually discussed that so I thought I'd ask. How many worlds side with Icarion initially? Is his support only concentrated around traitor legion homeworlds? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4492751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 I sat down to write the section about the Day of Revelation and how the galaxy is divided between the Warmaster and Icarion's zones of influence just after the Day of Revelation for Expansion. But we haven't actually discussed that so I thought I'd ask. How many worlds side with Icarion initially? Is his support only concentrated around traitor legion homeworlds? Thanks to Alex's success as a political leader and for easing the transition of conquered worlds into the Imperium, only a third of the Imperium initially declares support for the Stormlord. So, there are concentrations of Traitor forces outside the Traitor legion homeworlds, but they're scattered across the galaxy, with a majority of them happening in Ultima. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4492788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 This ok as an intro to the Imperium's state at the beginning of book 2? Domains of the Stormlord In the weeks and months following the bloody massacres of the Day of Revelation, it would begin to become apparent just how long Icarion Anasem had spent seeking out support before he made his first move and just how deep the love and admiration for Icarion Anasem ran on many Imperial worlds. In the wake of Icarion announcing his Insurrection against the Emperor, thousands of worlds rose up in rebellion alongside him, pledging themselves to his cause. From mining outposts that had long been forgotten by many to bustling hive worlds at the heart of the administration of entire systems, worlds renounced the Emperor and swore themselves to the Stormlord. All told, nearly a third of the Imperium's worlds swore allegiance to the Stormlord. It is likely that this number would have been higher had it not been for the incessent work of the Warmaster and his efforts to rapidly integrate worlds into the Imperium and smooth over wounds caused during compliance. While many had critisised him for this in the decades since the Qarith Triumph, stating that he was the Warmaster and such matters were better left to the Council of Terra, his work now bore fruit and, while many worlds deserted to join the Stormlord's nascent empire, the majority of Imperial worlds stayed true to their oaths of allegiance and stayed loyal to the Emperor and Terra and began to muster troops when the Warmaster issued the Commission of Array. As a consequence of this, the Imperium was torn into a ragged patchwork of conflicting loyalties. Many systems raised their banners in rebellion only to discover that their neighbouring systems had stayed loyal and many stayed loyal only to discover their neighbours had sworn themselves to the Stormlord. As a general rule, the areas of space immediately surrounding legion homeworlds were loyal to the same side as the legion whose homeworld they found themselve next to. However, aside from this, there were no clear cut battle lines in these early years of the Insurrection. There were no borders between the Imperium and the Stormlord's domains, just a confused and thouroughly muddled patchwork of loyalties, with the Imperium being stronger in some sectors of space and the Insurrectionists in others. This was further confused when some worlds heard of the Insurrection and rebelled but to regain their own independence rather than to see the Stormlord seated on the Golden Throne of Terra. These systems and worlds would be targeted by both Imperials and Insurrectionists alike and some would see some of the fiercest fighting of these early years of the Insurrection. The capital of the Stormlord's new realm was Madrigal and the Maelstrom zone, which he quickly set about ridding of Imperial resistance. A large number of the worlds that supported Icarion were located in the Ultima Segmentum and so that would be the Segmentum which the Imperial forces would need to fight hardest to hold into. However, Icarion was also able to call upon a lot of support on the Eastern Fringe, where he was only resisted by the already badly mauled Dune Serpents. So it was that Icarion set about expanding and unifying his domains, eradicating Imperial resistance in the Maelstrom and then gradually pushing out into the east and the rest of the Ultima Segmentum. It was in these regions that the earliest campaigns of the Insurrection would be fought. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4492932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 You even remembered to include the rogues, the worlds that go independent. Excellent work! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4492940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 That looks awesome Sigismund! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4492952 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Lose the surname on the second mention, but otherwise it looks good Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4492955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 Ok. So I thought I'd check up on what I need to add to the map. Legion Homeworlds:Madrigal, traitor. On mapMycenae, loyalist. On map.Coabanna, loyalist. On map.Delos, loyalist. On map.Huron, loyalist. On map.Uran, traitor. On map.Zbuch, traitor. On map.Strela, traitor later revolutionary. On map.Obsailes, loyalist. On map.Caerbannog, neutral later loyalist. On map.Mexicatii, traitor. On map.Dhul'hasa, loyalist. On map.Kabyieb, traitor. On map.Styx, traitor. On map.Han, traitor later revolutionairy. On map.Fugion, traitor later cecessionist. On map.Iona, loyalist. On map.Mardum, traitor. Missing from map. DONE Major Systems:Terra. On map.Qarith. Missing from map.Baal. Missing from map.Iyacrax. Missing from map. WHERE ARE QUARITH AND IYACRAX LOCATED?Major systems, book 1:Kataii(Death of the Bear). Missing from map.Untara(Underwater Madness). Missing from map. NOT SURE WHERE THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE EITHER Major systems, Escalation:Zoomed in map of Dominion. Missing.Cadia. Missing.Gidion Rift. Missing.Blood Stars. Missing.Mortax. Missing.Kanossia. Missing.Ceredigia. Missing.Caraxes Point. Missing.Arrian. Missing.Prosan. Missing.Various other important systems and Tiarniaidh that I have yet to come up with or think of where they go. Missing. I THINK THAT THESE WOULD FILL UP THE AREA OF THE DOMINION TOO MUCH ON THE MAIN MAP. SO I THINK THAT WHEN I MAKE A ZOOMED IN VERSION THESE WILL BE THE MAJOR LOCATIONS, BUT FOR NOW I'LL LEAVE THEM OFF. I'd say it's important enough.Others I can think of:- Xenobia/Interex domain in general- Aureus- the Towers of the Nightguard- Cognis' domain in the Ghoul/Halo Stars NOT SURE WHERE THESE WOULD GO EITHER (EXCEPT THE COGNIS DOMAIN, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT PUTTING IN THEIR OTHER PLANETS WOULD DO MORE THAN CLUTTER THE AREA). I also decided to get started on the very first territory map for the Insurrection. I'm going to do a number of these for different points in the war, but for now I want to focus on the Day of Revelation. Roughly which territories side with the Stormlord against Terra and the Warmaster? http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn171/Grifftofer/TerritoryMap_zpsobmifte0.jpg The Loyalist controlled areas are in purple, the Insurrectionist areas in blue. Each of the hexagons is an area roughly the size of one sector, making this a relatively simpler process. Each sector can either controlled (coloured) or not which could mean stalemates, ongoing campaigns or other groups holding the area. So I'm looking for suggestions of what should be what colour at the opening of the war. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4496271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Grifft, the bits of the Dominion I listed were intended for a zoomed in map of the Dominion for Escalation The central galaxy is Insurrectionist by and large, with spots of loyalist resistance. The East of the galaxy is half-half, with patches of imperial and Insurrectionist control all over the place. The west of the galaxy is mainly Imperial with patches of Insurrectionist control. The area around Mexicatii, Kabyieb and Han is also likely insurrectionsist Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4496292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 Oh. Apologies then. Once Book 1 is mostly finished I'll start working on a zoomed in Dominion map, and maybe some solar system 'maps' too. Just looked at it again. You've gotta feel sorry for the people of Zbruch. They are going to have a sucky war :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4496299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Gotta ask, how is Xandra (MAIN forgeworld sector of the cognis) under imperial control? They are traitors after all... On a large scale... Have I missed something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4496306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 It isn't. It's just another one of my massive failures to remember simple things. I always get mixed up as to which Mechanicum faction is on which side. Will fix now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4496312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 I am not sure where talonair had the abyssii but as they have a close connection to the wardens i would put them on the height of necromunda(maybe 1 sector above) , and 3 sectors out in galactict void Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4496383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 9, 2016 Author Share Posted September 9, 2016 I believe that Nox was the homeworld of the Abyssi (having quickly checked the thread), which Talonair placed in Segmentum Ultima. I've just updated my copy of the map to show them as Loyalist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4496392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 9, 2016 Share Posted September 9, 2016 Also, the purple area around Mycenae that I assume is supposed to represent the Dominion should spread out to where the Eye of Terror/Cadia is and Mycenae should be a bit further east, nearly straddling the border between Segmentums Solar, Obscurus and Pacificus. Oh and Kataii is out in the Ghoul Stars, Untara is in the galactic south east(I think). Iyacrax is in the galactic north Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/315460-ref-loc-map-of-the-galaxy/page/5/#findComment-4496395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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