bluntblade Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) My question was more double-checking than anything else. I have a solid image of Warmaster Alexandros now Edited July 23, 2016 by bluntblade simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4449380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Demus has the right idea, plus given Tartaros is the newest, most advanced mark of TDA it makes more sense for Daer'dd to use that for the Warmaster's armour. Niklaas built his armor. Daerdd his spear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4449391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I thought Daer'dd just crafted his gun? Which reminds me, Alex needs to get shooty at some stage Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4449396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Daer'dd crafted his gun originally when he giving gifts to his brothers; then he guided Alexandros' hand in making his shield. And before he was declared Warmaster The Emperor asked Daer'dd to craft the spear for Alexandros' accention to Warmaster. Niklaas built his armour in response to Alex's being named Warmaster. IIRC. simison 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4449419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 (edited) Despite Alex's emphasis on equality and unity, the internal organizations of the Halcyon Wardens have an unofficial hierarchy of importance and power. This power structure is not static throughout the Legion era.  Pre-Primarch: The Prefects/Cavalry officers are the only unspoken organization and, as such, are the most powerful one. To be granted the title Prefect is considered a higher honour than being promoted to captain.  Post-Primarch to Insurrection: The other three organizations are created by Alex, Orders of the Shield & Mind and the Diplomacy Corps. During the heyday of the Great Crusade, the Order of the Shield is considered the most elite of the organizations since they adopt Alex's personal fighting style. The Order of the Mind is ranked second in importance. The Prefects avoid being at the bottom of the barrel because the Legion is still primarily a military organization, which leaves the Diplomacy Corps as the weakest of the four organizations.  Insurrection: The Order of the Shield is shattered on the Day of Revelation, and they spend most of the Insurrection merely trying to recover it. It's during this time that the Order of the Mind ascends to most importance as their divination and telepathy becomes invaluable to countering Traitor strategies and enacting counter-intelligence operations. Their importance doubles by the end of the Insurrection as they now become the legion's most potent weapon against Chaos. The Prefects are on par with the Order of the Shield as their offensive advantages are blunted by the continuing need for defense against the Traitors' advances. Although the Diplomacy Corps also enjoys new prominence by peacefully putting down rebellions and persuading a few Traitor units to switch sides, they are still the least important of the four during this era.  Post-Insurrection to the Cohort Division: It is during the Scouring that the Diplomacy Corps becomes the most powerful organization as they allow the Imperium to retake planets and systems without firing a single shot, a very necessary skill after the devastation of the Imperium's military power at the end of the Insurrection. Following the Diplomats are the Prefects, who thrive now that the legion is back on offense, reclaiming lost territory. Meanwhile the Order of the Mind is third as they still maintain an important anti-Chaos role and support role for the Diplomats as they try to re-unite the Imperium as bloodlessly as possible. It is during this time that the Order of the Shield occupies the lowest rung of influence with Alexandros dead and only the relatively occasional need for defensive tactics.  This hierarchy comes to an end when the Legion is divided into Cohorts. While the Halcyon Warden Cohort maintains a balance between Shieldmen and Psykers, because it's permanently garrisoned on Terra means that the Prefects and the Diplomats depart to form other Cohorts where they can better serve the Imperium on the front lines. Edited July 31, 2016 by simison Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4454410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Do we know who orders the division of Cohorts, or is it too soon yet to discuss such things? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4455002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 Do we know who orders the division of Cohorts, or is it too soon yet to discuss such things?  My initial idea is that it is Kozja who orchestrates the breaking of the legions to make it less likely that the Imperium will invade the Suzerainty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4455144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) That makes sense. Will we have some who are going against the breakimg? Â I like to break the wardens apart but keep them somehow connecred like the dark angels. But we are not the unforgiving^^ Edited August 1, 2016 by MikhalLeNoir Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4455166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 That makes sense. Will we have some who are going against the breakimg? Â I like to break the wardens apart but keep them somehow connecred like the dark angels. But we are not the unforgiving^^ Â I'll answer this question than put a hold on this line of thought again. Â Since there is no strong political leader among the Imperial Primarchs, how each legion reacts to this treaty depends more on their Primarch's reaction than the treaty itself. The power of the 'cohort' treaty derives more from a fear of a second civil war right after the Insurrection than Kozja's political acumen. So long as enough of the Imperial legions submit to the treaty, the treaty can handle one or two legions refusing the division if they swear oaths not to violate the rest of the treaty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4455182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted August 2, 2016 Share Posted August 2, 2016 Fits well with me. The Void Eagles are already "cohorted" before the Insurrection, and would have after Yucahu's disappearance regardless of political decrees. "Void Eagles" is a name for History and bureaucracy, one of the 82nd flotilla will call himself an Ultima Reaver before anything else. Conversation over, back to Halcyon Wardens before and during the Insurrection. What happens to detached units within traitor legions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4455782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 2, 2016 Author Share Posted August 2, 2016 Their fate depends quite a bit on which legion they are attached to. A rare few will be allowed to return to Loyalist lines to be allowed an honourable chance at war. An even rarer bunch will defect to the Stormlord. The rest will be divided between two fates: captivity and death. This will allow a few stories/battles to be focused on rescuing POWs, something we don't see a lot in the canon-verse. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4456143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Hmmm, my gut reaction for the Bears is saying they'll resist being split because of how much they view the legion as a family. So I think I'd like them to go down that path as of right now. But we obviously have time for things to change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4456451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 7, 2016 Author Share Posted August 7, 2016 With a little breathing room, I'm pulling in old data to put on the first page and to prep the Wardens for Book 2.  Praefectus Alae/Cavalry Prefect  Any tank with the special rule Legiones Astartes (Halcyon Wardens) may take this upgrade for 20 points, which increases the unit's ballistic skill by 1. The Prefect does not survive if his tank is destroyed.  Before the Myrmidon and the Parisada came into being, the Prefects were the pride of the legion. A veteran corps of tank commanders who brought great glory to the IInd legion with their formations of armored fists. Under Alexandros, they provide the necessary firepower to tempt the enemy out of their fortifications lest they be wiped out.  Unique Legion Wargear  Tower shield – 10 points for characters in terminator armor/15 points for non-terminator characters/50 points as a unit upgrade - Grants +1 to the model's invulnerable save and counts as defensive grenades. Models with a tower shield can never benefit from having two close combat weapons. Available to terminator squads, command squads and characters.  Pugaree - 5 points - Adds +1 to Perils of the Warp roll    So, I'm going to renew some old debates. One, what does the Prefects fall under? A unique unit or wargear? Two, should I keep Tower Shield or trade it out for the more traditional Storm Shield (not the rule, just the name)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Do you have rules in mind for Tannhäuser, assuming this is where he fits in? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 7, 2016 Author Share Posted August 7, 2016 Pre-BotL, the 3 Warden characters are Irvin, Mahtva, & Pyrrhicles.  Pyrrhicles is obviously dead by Book 2, so I planned on having the Traitor Warden have his spot.  That said, I would still love to do a proper Captain with a unique lascannon, but who would I replace? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Pre-BotL, the 3 Warden characters are Irvin, Mahtva, & Pyrrhicles.  Pyrrhicles is obviously dead by Book 2, so I planned on having the Traitor Warden have his spot.  That said, I would still love to do a proper Captain with a unique lascannon, but who would I replace? That's Vasilios and his Stinger, right? Maybe he can appear in Book 3? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 7, 2016 Author Share Posted August 7, 2016 Wait, I thought that was Tannhauser with the unique lascannon, with the c-beams and all that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Nah, Tannhäuser's our tank officer. You'd specified a Germanic name, and I based his weapons on a model of Horus Aximand that I spotted on Google. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 7, 2016 Author Share Posted August 7, 2016 Ah, whoops. Hm, no, until FW breaks the 3 character limit, I'm leaving it be. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 Ah, oh well. Â If we ever get the funds to get those illustrations of particular Astartes, maybe one of them could be represented. Like these: https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRC3XGZI2s3PKZMdRw6W-cxz-wIxhap06mpl1koqMeWvQ9nJy-X1fww3MJHw Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 we could get in contact with IronHandsFanatic for commisions, he does those kind of drawings Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 7, 2016 Author Share Posted August 7, 2016 we could get in contact with IronHandsFanatic for commisions, he does those kind of drawings  That would be nice. What is his price? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I have no clue, he is on the forum, I think we should PM him about it. Anyone fancy doing it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I'd love to have a picture of a Scion too, as we won't see models of them for a long time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted August 7, 2016 Share Posted August 7, 2016 I won't mind making 2 :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/316969-il-v-the-halcyon-wardens/page/6/#findComment-4460878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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