bluntblade Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Ah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Who is this false Templar who fights alongside the tides of griblyness? (lifts black sword) I shall smite him! SUFFER NOT THE HERETIC TO LIVE! Edited September 1, 2016 by Sigismund229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 I thought for a second you were talking about Slynnat. Post de-blooding, Gribly Templar is a pretty apt description Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 Who is this false Templar who fights alongside the tides of griblyness? (lifts black sword) I shall smite him! SUFFER NOT THE HERETIC TO LIVE! Ironically, it was Nate. The Black Templar fighting by my side for the Apoc game last Sunday. So, it wasn't just bad dice, I was screwed the moment I took to the field? Well, I feel a little justified now. It was Maelstrom too, and I didn't score anything on Turn 1. Needless to say, my morale didn't hold well. Besides the dice of evil, was there anything I could've done to improve my odds? I brought the Volkites to provide massed anti-horde & anti-MC firepower, but would I have been better off with Missile Launchers with Frak missiles? Should I have put less in the Praetor and Assault Squad? If I remember right, the 30k vs. 40k imbalance levels out at the higher point values. Is that true? If so, what's the cutoff point, vaguely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 (edited) Ironically when I was playing regularly I found that 30k worked pretty well at the 1K mark. Mostly because most enemies couldn't field enough weaponry to kill 60-odd marines running at them This was a couple of years ago though so I'm not certain what formations have been developed since then that would influence this. Also from what I remember reading it was at around the 2.5K - 3K points limit that the games tended to balance out. I think this is due to 30k being intended to be played at the relatively higher points values. Maelstrom is also more difficult for 30k armies as you get fewer scoring units and those units tend to be either slow (tacticals), comparatively squishy (assault marines/tactical squads in rhinos) or expensive (breachers in land raiders). I think that some of the new rites of war might make some of these things easier, but I've not looked through them in great detail yet. Edited September 1, 2016 by Grifftofer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Okay, next time, bring in a RoW, or ask for a 100 point bonus if this continues. Quick recap of the slots: 1 Tech - 4 Char (Ruel, Tannhauser, Mahtva, & Malis) - 4 Units (Myrmidon, Vraben, Diplomat Consul, ???) Now, one thing I did decide for that last unit is that I want it to represent the Wardens reacting to the Insurrection. Like Malis, this is a unit that was unheard of before the Insurrection, and only came into being to fulfill a void, regardless of the theme it has attached to it. Blunt, did you have any theoretical rules for Tannhauser? Because if he can fulfill in and represent the tank masters of the Vth adequately, I could use the new unit slot to adopt a different theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Perhaps something like this? Argyraspides Formed from veterans of Myrimodons, the Argyraspides, or silver shields originally started as veterans of the initial battle between the Halycon Wardens and Lightning Bearers. As the Insurrection ground on and losses were taken they became all veterans of the Great Crusade.Often deployed singlely, they inspired the forces around them and provided experience, backbone and a link to the glory days of the Great Crusade for fresh recruits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Cool name, but between Alex, Malis, and the Myrmidon, we have enough shields running around. Furthermore, the Myrmidon already fulfill the elite shieldman area quite well. No, I'm thinking that with the Order of the Shield handling the defenses of the Imperium, the Wardens would need a rapid response unit to plug in defense holes. Maybe a unique bike or jetbike unit. Or a fast tank unit, to add more bite to the German Cavalry theme. Has anyone done anything like that yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 We don't have any unique tank units currently, I'm not sure about bike/jetbike units though (I think there have been ideas thrown around for them but nothing really written up). I was actually having a similar idea, though I was focusing more on using the webway as a method of rapid response rather than bikes/vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Ah, but the Webway is considered off-limits for most of the war, thanks to an early agreement between Loyalists and Traitors. I know Ju-Long is a WoP jetbike captain, but I wasn't aware of any actual unit. Let's see on influences: Greek - 3 (Alex, Malis, Myrmidon) Roman - 2 (Tower Shield, Aquila Standard relic) Indian - 2 (Mahtva, Caryana) German - 2 (Tannhauser, Ruel) So, I have a fairly even representation across the board of the various influences, so long as I don't change the legion relic. (Maybe, maybe not.) Only the Greek side doesn't need more representation. Romans didn't prefer cavalry or rapid response units, so the new unit won't fit there easily. Which leaves German and Indian for either bikes/jetbikes or a fast tank unique unit. Several suggestions have already been made from, like war elephants and reiters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 I have a landspeeder variant called illuminator whixh is based on the landspeeder vengeance. Instead of the plasma nattery. It has atm an anvilus lascannon mounted. It can be accompanied by 0-1 illuminator landspeeder or 0-2 landspeeder javelin, or 0-5 jetbike skyhunter or 0-4 normal landspeeder/ landspeeder storm. Apart from that I think the eagle warriors have a jetbike unit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 There's a fluff-only unit for the Bears that's somewhere between an LAV and a War Rig. Could be adopted by the Wardens? Something like this could rock pretty hard: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/fkS8HOOFYSXmzbVgiFhqnaFYuQwvc6FcXe8M9ljfNa3I_FaJWg7ELHn4Uyhy0fKVYGjwjGJmlJHRWSHj9kZ-CkQeRid6TqF7klz5wU-M1wzrouRY0mYP7nNBNEox8At0Iz3PjZJGl21rwufgBXyIxXkQuRW2_PS8lc8=w443-h332-nc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 There's a fluff-only unit for the Bears that's somewhere between an LAV and a War Rig. Could be adopted by the Wardens? Something like this could rock pretty hard: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/fkS8HOOFYSXmzbVgiFhqnaFYuQwvc6FcXe8M9ljfNa3I_FaJWg7ELHn4Uyhy0fKVYGjwjGJmlJHRWSHj9kZ-CkQeRid6TqF7klz5wU-M1wzrouRY0mYP7nNBNEox8At0Iz3PjZJGl21rwufgBXyIxXkQuRW2_PS8lc8=w443-h332-nc That looks incredibly hard to model. I'm going to edge away from that. So, potential jetbike unit out there, along with a unique Landspeeder. I'll check through AO's thread then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 For a jetbike unit, perhaps this? Ritter/Hetairoi Halycon Wardens riding jetbikes that act as infantry escorts to the tanks. MikhalLeNoir 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Just checked, the Eagle Warriors do have a unique jetbike unit. In fact, jetbikes seem to be a big deal with the EW, so that's off the table. That leaves bikes or tanks. I'll figure out this decision by working on Tannhauser. Now, the only unique tank officer I'm aware of is Orth. Now Orth starts in a tank, but can survive outside of a tank whereas your standard tank commander typically goes down with the ship. Blunt, what's your preference for Tannhauser? If I remember right, you did write a story with him dismounted, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Calling them "ritter" is a great.idea and accompanying a tank. Nice. Just a pic of my insanity http://images.dakkadakka.com/gallery/2016/9/4/824777_sm-.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Sorry for the double post. But Sim, I think I habe the one for you. A bike unit accompanying your tanks. Breacher bikes http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Kromlech_Legionary_Breacher_Bike_04.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Well Ritter/Hetaroi could be riding bikes alongside the tanks, functioning like panzergrenadiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 Sorry for the double post. But Sim, I think I habe the one for you. A bike unit accompanying your tanks. Breacher bikes http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Kromlech_Legionary_Breacher_Bike_04.png Is that a new unit coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 No. It is from kromlecj a unit without rules .so it would fit perfect for your wardens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 4, 2016 Author Share Posted September 4, 2016 No. It is from kromlecj a unit without rules .so it would fit perfect for your wardens All-terrain, decently armoured and armed. I do believe there is potential here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Would Javelin speeders be a bit fragile? If not, they might be an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 How about going back to that Tank unit you were thinking of and making something that could be inspired by Panzers and Indian War Elephants? So relatively fast but quite massive? I also seem to have seen a rather good amount of Rhino, Land Speeder or Land Raider Variants, but few Sicaran variants: what about a unique Sicaran variant squadron? or a tank squadron including a main tank and one or two escorts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 How do 30K tanks compare against modern ones for speed, in the fluff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 5, 2016 Author Share Posted September 5, 2016 Would Javelin speeders be a bit fragile? If not, they might be an option No, they are too fragile for my purposes. How about going back to that Tank unit you were thinking of and making something that could be inspired by Panzers and Indian War Elephants? So relatively fast but quite massive? I also seem to have seen a rather good amount of Rhino, Land Speeder or Land Raider Variants, but few Sicaran variants: what about a unique Sicaran variant squadron? or a tank squadron including a main tank and one or two escorts? Hm, and it would be proper to emphasize the Indian influence over the German. Sicarans are one of the few fast tanks in the legions, aren't they? How do 30K tanks compare against modern ones for speed, in the fluff? I don't know. I'm Blood Angels, most of our tanks are fast. I'll take a look through the legion army list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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