Medjugorje Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 after new edition was revealed it makes sense we dont get data cards for our supplement. Maybe we will receive the missing half of it I really expect something to come within next 12 month but not that close in release of 9th edition Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 after new edition was revealed it makes sense we dont get data cards for our supplement.Maybe we will receive the missing half of it I really expect something to come within next 12 month but not that close in release of 9th edition My expectation aswell. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Not sure if this was covered already but with new Fight phase order (ie. opponent chooses first non-charger to fight), our Devout Pushers will pretty much always be fighting second. The only way they could go first is if you've charged in a previous turn with another unit and that combat is still going, and more valuable to your opponent than the new Pushed combat. The only way around would be Oath of Glory, but then you can't make use of a transport to increase the threat range. So for jump infantry or bikes it would still work I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 But you can also devout push in your opponent's turn, in which case you get the first non-charging fight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 But you can also devout push in your opponent's turn, in which case you get the first non-charging fight. True, but I think probably much less useful as the opponent will need to be within 3" (or 6" with Canticle) already? In which case you might as well go in next turn with charge bonus and save the CP. The threat range is much lower than eg. using an Impulsor's assault vehicle rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Depends what it is. They may have sprung a surprise charge and deliberately not contacted a killy unit thinking it cannot intervene. Then, SURPRISE! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 (edited) That could happen and would be a big surprise, but I feel like anything your opponent is willing to get within 3" of a killy unit is going to be no slouch themselves. The huge threat range of transport-embarked infantry seems to be a more likely use of Push to me! Edited June 28, 2020 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 there is an ability in our litanies to always strike first. If your gameplan allow it then it could be very strong but to be honest - I dont think its an easy way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Not sure if this was covered already but with new Fight phase order (ie. opponent chooses first non-charger to fight), our Devout Pushers will pretty much always be fighting second. The only way they could go first is if you've charged in a previous turn with another unit and that combat is still going, and more valuable to your opponent than the new Pushed combat. The only way around would be Oath of Glory, but then you can't make use of a transport to increase the threat range. So for jump infantry or bikes it would still work I guess. there is an ability in our litanies to always strike first. If your gameplan allow it then it could be very strong but to be honest - I dont think its an easy way. Yes I said so haha. But then it still knocks out use of a transport because you can't perform litanies if you're not on the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I wish they would let us use a litany on an embarked unit. It would be like the chaplain getting the boys psyched up inside the tank before the doors open. A limitation would be that auras don't work except on the unit which was also embarked. Brother Kraskor and Maritn 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I wish they would let us use a litany on an embarked unit. It would be like the chaplain getting the boys psyched up inside the tank before the doors open. A limitation would be that auras don't work except on the unit which was also embarked. Agreed. Should work for Drop Pods too - you can imagine the Chaplain isn't going to sit there silently as they descend in fire and fury. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5549856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 28, 2020 Author Share Posted June 28, 2020 Not sure if this was covered already but with new Fight phase order (ie. opponent chooses first non-charger to fight), our Devout Pushers will pretty much always be fighting second. The only way they could go first is if you've charged in a previous turn with another unit and that combat is still going, and more valuable to your opponent than the new Pushed combat. The only way around would be Oath of Glory, but then you can't make use of a transport to increase the threat range. So for jump infantry or bikes it would still work I guess. there is an ability in our litanies to always strike first. If your gameplan allow it then it could be very strong but to be honest - I dont think its an easy way. Yes I said so haha. But then it still knocks out use of a transport because you can't perform litanies if you're not on the board. we dont know yet. Maybe in this edition a unit counts as staying on board if they embarked in a vehicle. I expect a huge change in the mechanics of transports because this vehicle used to be aboslutely irrelevant in 8th edition. I hope that models count as being on the board while staying in a transport vehicle and its possible to increase the range you can disembark or allow them to disembark after moving 6" what would makes close combat far better and especially our litanies because we could speak litanies on units in LRC / Rhinos / Impulsors. I think this will decide how good we can perform in this edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Litanies and powers inside transports would be pretty big. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 a few of our powers would be so much better. and the strong ones could be even more dangerous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) Could lead to some funny situations though. Units starting in a transport and then teleporting across the board (for psykers with this power that is.) Edited June 29, 2020 by Brother Kraskor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 You probably wouldn't manifest that sort of power inside a vehicle mind, in case you took some of it with you. (Think Thor, when he took the head of the Nidhogg with him on the Bifrost) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 yes - thats another thought I had in mind. If you cannot speak a litany on board while embarked in any vehicle so it could be possible to speak it on the other embarked units of the same transport vehicle Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 So GW have tried to stop conga lines with new coherency rules. Units of six or more models must have coherency with two other models in the unit. But what is to stop this: X X X X X X X X X X X ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 but indirectly it will hurt us when we want attack a unit. Its way harder to surround a unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Not with that formation? That could wrap around. I have seen a problem though - when a model is out of coherency it gets removed, so any casualties will result in a domino effect until the unit has five models. Not ideal! So any conga will have to be two-deep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 That formation is only good with a complete unit. You take one model away as a casualty and it all falls apart Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 but they already said you have to be in corherency in the next movement phase. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Kraskor Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Not with that formation? That could wrap around. I have seen a problem though - when a model is out of coherency it gets removed, so any casualties will result in a domino effect until the unit has five models. Not ideal! So any conga will have to be two-deep. That formation is only good with a complete unit. You take one model away as a casualty and it all falls apart Yes I noticed after. So congas will have to be two deep - not really congas at this point! Sword Brother Adelard 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 the new rule of coherency makes our devot push less good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) edit... deleated Edited June 29, 2020 by Medjugorje Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364086-the-big-9th-edition-room/page/17/#findComment-5550505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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