The Horus Heresy Solar Auxilia

[lansalt]

7 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

Isn't this faction technically still around in 40k

Nope, they dissapeared at some point during the reforms that resulted in the creation of the Imperial Guard after the Heresy. Navy Breachers do their job as void/boarding troopers and Scions as the elite of the IG.

[Lord Marshal]

11 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

This range is absolutely spectacular. 

 

I would love for them to have 40k rules. Isn't this faction technically still around in 40k as the regiments of Terra and the various planets in the Solar System?

I know they have a different organisation, but are they visually completely different?

 

We don't know.

 

The problem with Solar Auxilia lore is that it's relatively modern (2015) and pretty much exclusively come from Forge World, with the Black Library authors practically never touching them. Even within the Horus Heresy itself, their lore is extremely limited. 99.9% of what we know about the Solar Auxilia comes exclusively from Book 4: Conquest, Liber: Imperium and Legions Imperialis (and 99% of that came from the former anyway).

 

It's not unreasonable to assume there's still worlds in the 41st Millenium which have the ability to produce 'Solar-pattern' equipment and outfit their Imperial Guardsmen accordingly, but there's been no canon precedent for it. That may change now the Solar Auxilia are in plastic, but until then, we don't know.

 

Edited January 19 by Lord Marshal

[MoriyaSchism]

I hate the Heavy Sentinel, but all the other vehicles are great. The plastic Malcador looks identical to the resin model and it's probably my favourite thing shown off today. I do have one small complaint, the hunter killer missiles look weird. The hunter killer missiles on 40K vehicles and Legiones Astartes look more sophisticated while this one looks like something Orks would do, it's clamped onto the side of the turret instead of being on a launch ramp or a launch tube.

[lansalt]

Just now, Lord Marshal said:

with the Black Library authors never touching them

They are mentioned in some books after 2015, like Saturnine. But they've never been the focus of a story like the Imperial army in Legion or Tallarn

[redmapa]

Nice  to see an IG range update before the codex, I'm certain people will buy these new russes to update their collections, I know I will after I get my hands on those plastic Malcadors I've been waiting for years! 

[beefeb]

I wonder if these new Russ kits will include sponsons....it certainly contains no mention of them at all.

[Lord Marshal]

Just now, beefeb said:

I wonder if these new Russ kits will include sponsons....it certainly contains no mention of them at all.

 

Solar Auxilia LRs in the rules don't have them, so don't count on it. 

[Haranin]

Just now, beefeb said:

I wonder if these new Russ kits will include sponsons....it certainly contains no mention of them at all.

no sponsons in 30k. but if you print some sponsons and magnetize from the inside... sponsons for 40k and none for 30k off one tank

[Arendious]

Is it weird that I'm most disappointed that the Veletarii lost the stocked pistol-grip Volkites in favor of the suspiciously-axe-handle-like club grips?

[phandaal]

3 hours ago, Astartes Consul said:

Question for the B&C Hive Mind, is this the first balding figure we've had in plastic from GW? Commitment to the representation of the full human experience off the charts.

 

 

Finally, I feel seen! Thank you James Workshop. 

[Doghouse]

I think I may dabble with a detachment of Solar Pattern Chorts purely because I think you can take Veletaris Tercio as compulsory options. I don't think I'd take a full army though and just use them as allies to Astartes.

[Doghouse]

13 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

It's not unreasonable to assume there's still worlds in the 41st Millenium which have the ability to produce 'Solar-pattern' equipment and outfit their Imperial Guardsmen accordingly, but there's been no canon precedent for it. That may change now the Solar Auxilia are in plastic, but until then, we don't know.

 

 

I can totally see this being a thing where a regiment has used it for thousands of years and no idea of it's origins or even that the Auxilia existed. Then on the other hand I could see a regiment proudly misremembering their ties to an ancient Auxilia regiment but are in effect cosplaying purely because they have the armour that has been passed down from generation to generation but no one knows where it originated but someone saw it in a book once.

 

These would make great household foot soldiers for poorer Knight Houses using the Imperial Agents allied rules as well.

 

I think the key thing to remember is that unless you are an incredibly well educated scholar adept who specialises in ancient uniforms and regimental history you are probably going to look at these guys and think that's just a locally made void armour or even basic guard uniforms. Then add on top of that all the ceremonial troops that the families Imperial Governors have at their disposal dressed for pomp and parades then I'd say a very hard yes the basic troops can be used in 40k. 

[ThePenitentOne]

Even though I'm not an HH player, this is some good plastic. I like the tanks, and I could see some infantry models as Imperial Agents- I really want retinues that suit the Ordos- Arbites are great for Hereticus, and I feel like Breachers work with Xenos, so perhaps these could go with the Malleus?

 

Not high priority for me, but some good stuff here. Certainly contributed to the blunting of my Marine envy.

[Petitioner's City]

1 hour ago, Doghouse said:

I think I may dabble with a detachment of Solar Pattern Chorts purely because I think you can take Veletaris Tercio as compulsory options. I don't think I'd take a full army though and just use them as allies to Astartes.

 

Yes, with a solar cohort :)

[darkhorse0607]

Didn't get a chance to see the stream and I don't think it mentions it in the article, did they mention if the las section comes with alternate heads with visor up like the old ones? It was one of my favorite details on the older kits. Also going to miss the kneeling poses, I always wish GW would do more of those

 

Overall though they look pretty nice, I'll probably grab the Malcador and some guys when it comes out but I don't think a full army is in the future. Do not care for the Sentinal at all but it is what it is.

 

 

Edited January 19 by darkhorse0607

[Zoatibix]

Is the Battlegroup box a limited run, or a permanent thing?

[Fire Golem]

2 minutes ago, Zoatibix said:

Is the Battlegroup box a limited run, or a permanent thing?

Presumably limited like the Legiones Astartes one 

[Cenobite Terminator]

I wonder how they’ll scale versus Marines.

Edited January 19 by Cenobite Terminator

[Marshal Rohr]

The SGDS hasn’t done normal scale humans since the Van Saar. If they are Van Saar scale it would explain the chunkier look than the resin versions which are as tall as oldmarines. Enforcers, Ash Waste Nomads, and Orlocks, the only other “normal” humans are all marine scale. 

[skylerboodie]

So anyone's existing resin Solar Auxilia infantry are going to look small alongside these ones? 

[The Scorpion]

3 hours ago, Arendious said:

Is it weird that I'm most disappointed that the Veletarii lost the stocked pistol-grip Volkites in favor of the suspiciously-axe-handle-like club grips?

You're not alone. The new volkites do not bother me, but the new Veletarii helmets are a straight downgrade.

[No Foes Remain]

2 minutes ago, The Scorpion said:

You're not alone. The new volkites do not bother me, but the new Veletarii helmets are a straight downgrade.

 

I think it's the stupid extreme highlight paint job making the rim at the bottom seem bigger than it is, but nothing a little shaving with a knife won't fix.

[Astartes Consul]

3 hours ago, Doghouse said:

I think I may dabble with a detachment of Solar Pattern Chorts purely because I think you can take Veletaris Tercio as compulsory options. I don't think I'd take a full army though and just use them as allies to Astartes.

*CHOOM*

 

3 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

We don't know.

 

The problem with Solar Auxilia lore is that it's relatively modern (2015) and pretty much exclusively come from Forge World, with the Black Library authors practically never touching them. Even within the Horus Heresy itself, their lore is extremely limited. 99.9% of what we know about the Solar Auxilia comes exclusively from Book 4: Conquest, Liber: Imperium and Legions Imperialis (and 99% of that came from the former anyway).

 

It's not unreasonable to assume there's still worlds in the 41st Millenium which have the ability to produce 'Solar-pattern' equipment and outfit their Imperial Guardsmen accordingly, but there's been no canon precedent for it. That may change now the Solar Auxilia are in plastic, but until then, we don't know.

 

interestingly, John French covers them in detail in Praetorian of Dorn. And I think he also worked on the Black Book that brought them in. 
 

Their lore position of space/boarding and hostile environments…but also just a general template for elite formations, has always struck me as being a compromise. GW didn’t want to release a purely Zone Mortalis faction, but the rules and model range made running a non-ZM force just insanely expensive and unwieldy. Until now (maybe). 

[Marshal Rohr]

30 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

So anyone's existing resin Solar Auxilia infantry are going to look small alongside these ones? 

If these are Cadian/Krieg scale they will be chunkier and shorter. If they are enforcer scale the resins will be skinnier but the same height. 

[Celtic_cauldron]

Cthonian Headhunters, here I come!!!

 

Celtic_Cauldron