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so the noise marines have a special rule which allows shooting out of phase : so the rule about shooting in melee is bypassed, however when shooting, you're not allowed to target units in melee so a noise marine dies in melee, and then makes a shooting attack against another enemy unit in line of sight?

+++Unit of the week+++ Noise Marines This thread is only for tactics for Noise Marines, not for pictures, there are other places for that. How to best use Noise Marines? Wargear? Legion? Which stratagems are worth throwing out? Any solid unit combos?

Greetings Brothers & Sisters of the Liber Astartes! I am completing this challenge for my namesake - The Heralds of Excess and have some elements ready to post. Please feel free to feedback as I am shaping these guys in my head as I go so input would be appreciated. Warband name: Heralds Of Excess – Pre-Heresy Emperor’s Children 32nd company. Geneseed descent (if known): Primarily Emperor’s Children of the 32nd company. With contingences of White Scars, Sentinels (see Corpus Brethren), Aurora Guard (see Perfection's Sorrow) & a myriad of others who have fallen the Prince of Pleasure. Background (how they fell to Chaos): Pre-Heresy: The History of The Heralds of Excess cannot be written without acknowledging the warriors that lead the accursed force. The bulk of the Warband were once members of the 32nd company, Emperor’s Children Legion, led by Torren Andrastus. A son of Terran nobility from Olde Albia, Torren rose to prominence within a legion who respected the values of the old order. Pegged to become something great, his honest nature and informality with those of a lower rank was at odds with the political games frequently played by the upper echelons of the III legion. Although Torren was popular among the common soldiery, he was distanced from his superiors, who took to calling him ‘The Fallen Phoenix’ and ostracised him from his peers. Because of this, Torren was effectively ‘left behind’ and placed in command of a recently created company; fresh with recruits from both Chemos and Terra. Torren took his recruits and moulded them in the crucible of war. With little interest in the legion that he perceived to have abandoned him, but with absolute faith in those below him, his men became experts at long range warfare, operating independently sometimes for months at a time, and becoming well versed in the bloody business of ship to ship raiding in the vacuum of space. Not a large company during the great crusade, nor one of particular note, the company did garner grudging respect within the legion for their impressive ship to ship boarding actions and were often called upon to assist in the hunting of pirates and naval heavy separatists. It was not until the Heresy however that the company gained true notoriety both within and outside of their own legion. After Fulgrim pledged his legion to Horus’ Rebellion. He began the business of separating his men into those loyal to himself and those loyal to the Emperor, as well as gathering support from The Imperial Army and other factions. Fulgrim could not do these things alone and, whilst debating the fate of the 32nd, invited Torren to meet with him within the halls of the legion’s flagship itself. Torren considered this an honour, to be personally invited by this father, and agreed without hesitation. No-one knows what was said in those chambers, but for six days Torren and his Father conversed in solitude. On the morning of the seventh day Torren emerged and, at a gathering of captains loyal to Fulgrim within the Heliopolis, was proclaimed Fulgrim’s Herald and dubbed ‘The Phoenix Arisen’ by Lord Commander Eidolon himself. What is known of that meeting is thus; Fulgrim was aware of a number of things: Torren’s loyalty to his men and the ideals of the legion, his disdain for his brother captains who ridiculed him and the true depths of his shattered pride. With this knowledge Fulgrim was able to bend Torren to his will. Torren and his company left that day to bring together the scattered companies and allies of the Emperor’s Children under the banner of Fulgrim and the rebellion. Torren’s new position as a favourite of this father garnered him respect almost overnight, with many brothers who had previously shunned him willing to hang on his every word and pledge their support without question. Torren’s duty was two-fold however, and many captains who refused to see Horus’ truth where swiftly replaced with a more compliant Astartes from the rank and file. Often Torren would converse with the rank and file before meeting with a fellow captain to gauge his position and act accordingly. By the time of the Isstvan III atrocity, Torren was responsible for bringing fully a third of those considered ‘Loyalist’ back into the fold of the legion and Horus’ truth. Whilst he did not take part in the atrocity his company was called to be present at the Battle of Isstvan V. Serving in a position of honour on the right of the line, Torren’s company endured some of the fiercest fighting against elements of the Xth & XVIIIth Legions. It was on the battlefield of Isstvan that Torren’s company first discovered the sonic weaponry that was becoming prevalent within their legion. Utilising its duality as both a boarding weapon and a devise to preach the word of Fulgrim, the company took to its use with vigour and continue to wield the devises to this day. For the remainder of the Heresy Torren’s company are largely absent from record, although many allies of the Emperor’s Children can be counted among those Torren brought into the fold those seven long years. This is not to say the company was not active as a great many loyalist ships were also recovered drifting through space. Gutted and entirely devoid of life, save for a single crewman, tied to the captain’s chair without eyes or tongue, surrounded by a cacophony of screams and chants played through the internal vox system and a Phoenix, rising from fire, painted in blood and oil across the Bridges viewing port.

Sorry if this seems trivial but I need a little bit of help and do not have rulebook handy. I am simply curious as to what counts as being slain. I have noise marines with the Music of the Apocalypse rule that trigger once they are slain. My NM being shot at range or cut down in melee by the enemy surely counts. And once all the enemy's attacks are done and wounds are applied a NM could shoot his sonic blaster before being removed thanks to the special rule for example. I was curious though in a situation where my opponent targeted a rhino, destroys it, and it explodes which results in a nearby noise marine taking a mortal wound. Does that noise marine count as being slain even though he was not the direct target?