Glory and Hate! A Marines Malevolent Project

[chaplain belisarius]

wow! very nice...i like your army, your fluff...im quite tempted to get some marines malevolent myself! :)

 

wheres that group shot?

[brother varen]

Belisarius, good we can use more Malevolent crusades to rid the Emperor's realm of all xenos.

 

We are still working on the fluff. 1000heathens had fluff ideas that mirrored zxyogi and my ideas that we all decided to merge it together. Once we get it together we will post it and get all your thoughts on it. :D

 

What are your thoughts on the scholar brothers and venerable dreadnoughts keeping the history of the crusade fleets?

[GooseDaMoose]

Fluff is awesome, and the scholar brother looks great Heathen! :D

 

I love the idea of one brother being like the personal historian/bard of each squad, it's really cool. And how the Dreadnoughts fill the role of librarians cuz they be all hatin' on psykers is kickass, but I'm hoping they have some back-up to all the Dreadnoughts like an external hard-drive somewhere or something. Otherwise why would they ever risk putting them into combat if the cost of its loss is so high?

[chaplain belisarius]

I reckon the chaplains should be more important and responsible for record keeping-but then i really like chaplains! Good idea?

 

wheres that group shot? where should i go for fluff on the MM? (thanks!)

[zxyogi]

I reckon the chaplains should be more important and responsible for record keeping-but then i really like chaplains! Good idea?

 

 

I personally agree with you there Belisarius.....my MM Chaplains will be responsible for that on my Malevolents Crusade!! :)

[chaplain belisarius]

cool...i like chaplains! :)

 

I understand the book salamander has lots of info on the MM...right?

[Firefighter X]

I realy like the weathering on your armor.. It looks like it's been through hell and back. great stuff.

[Hyaenidae]

cool...i like chaplains!

 

I understand the book salamander has lots of info on the MM...right?

 

Meh...to a point. The old Armageddon Website had the most, and I believe the Librarium here has some as well. 'Salamander' was definetly the first book where you get to see 'em up close, but I don't feel Kyme gave them the justice they deserved. He just wanted to get some 'bad guys', and with the Salamander's history with the MM, it was probably his first choice. Sad, really. I didn't want my Chaplains filling the Librarian/historian role, as they got enough on their hands with keeping their Brothers stable and pure, while still preaching of the crimes of mortals against the Emperor, and other variations of the hatred they hold for everybody. Poor Chappy's got their work cut out for 'em as the story tellers, so I figured the Dread would fit the story keepers role better. Thousands upon thousands of years of terrible knowledge, their blackened hearts poisoned by hatred. Bitter. Cold. Champions to their brothers on the lesson and strength of true hatred. Oh yeah, perfect. :D Do your thing, though man. I ain't trying to cramp anyone's style.

 

Group shot will be after the Scholar-Brother and the Sergeant are finished, so the whole squad can be together. Patience, young jedi....

[Firefighter X]

Hey Heathen, I just noticed you're in NC also... I'm on the coast. J-Ville. You anywhere close to there?

[brother varen]

belisarius, like 1000heathens said the Armageddon website and the book, "Salamander". They are also mentioned in "Firedrake" by nick kyme.

 

The chaplains are used to make sure the Malevolents remain pure and that no psykers turn up. The venerable dreadnought was a good choice just like the Space Wolves Bjorn. The Space Wolves wake him after so long in statsis to tell the sagas of ancient heros. So it just made sense, but the lore keepers are not all dreads only venerable dreads or the oldest dreadnought in the crusade.

 

The Malevolents still have written records but use the system of lore keepers like the Space Wolves. That is where the scholar brothers come in to write their squads history.

[ephrael]

belisarius, like 1000heathens said the Armageddon website and the book, "Salamander". They are also mentioned in "Firedrake" by nick kyme.

 

The chaplains are used to make sure the Malevolents remain pure and that no psykers turn up. The venerable dreadnought was a good choice just like the Space Wolves Bjorn. The Space Wolves wake him after so long in statsis to tell the sagas of ancient heros. So it just made sense, but the lore keepers are not all dreads only venerable dreads or the oldest dreadnought in the crusade.

 

The Malevolents still have written records but use the system of lore keepers like the Space Wolves. That is where the scholar brothers come in to write their squads history.

 

 

Does anyone have a link to that Armageddon website? I'd like to see what info is there.

[Hyaenidae]

Sorry, bro, but GW murdered that glorious site a while back (R.I.P.). The Librarium preserved the meat of it, and lexicanicum has the rest.

[ephrael]

Sorry, bro, but GW murdered that glorious site a while back (R.I.P.). The Librarium preserved the meat of it, and lexicanicum has the rest.

 

 

In that case I'll be looking forward to the background and stories you guys develop and post here. Keep up the inspirational work.

[chaplain belisarius]

Thanks for that guys! now wheres that group shot? :D

[Hyaenidae]

Scholar-Brother finished!

and a WIP of the Sergeant...

Thanks for all the comments, guys!

@ Chappy B: Hold yer damn horses!! It's coming as soon as the Sgt. is done! :lol:

@ Brother V: Thanks for the fire-support there!

[GooseDaMoose]

That's hot stuff man. But how come no powerweapon? How is he to chop up mutants and heretics armed with a simple massive chainsword? Oh wait.. :lol:

 

Fine work as always man!

[Dark Apostle Thirst]

That first picture made me think he had a powerfist holding the book...

 

The sergeant's pose is either really good or really bad. He's either about 1/2 a second away from chopping into an enemy, which would be really good, or charging towards the enemy, which would be really bad, as the torso is not twisted nearly as much as it would need to be.

 

He has a much different dynamic than the rest of the squad though, who are in mostly slow, almost cautious poses. The sergeant is completely different from that, and is probably better being put in an entirely different squad at some later point.

[Hyaenidae]

Hmm...a powerfist? Was it just because of the angle of the pic? Or a fault when I modeled it?

 

As for the Sergeant, I wanted him to look a little different, as his squad may be restricted to point-blank gunfire, fists and knifes, the Sergeant has a chainsword and would use it (I would, lol). I was originally going for for a stalking pose with him, but the arms came out a little differently than I wanted, so instead I tried to make him look a little he's about to slam into an enemy squad with his brothers pouring fire right behind him. Meh...I'll see what I can do to make him look a little better...

[MagicMan]

I think he looks great as he is.

 

 

Nothing wrong with a heroic/angry pose for the baddest dude in the squad who gets to play with the chainsaw.

[Zincite]

I disagree that the sergeant's pose doesn't fit in with the rest of the squad. After all, He's probably shouting something like "PURGE THE MUTANT/HERETIC/XENO!" and that normally sounds better if you're chopping a (subject of shout) in two, rather then shooting them from far away. :tu:

 

From a more fluff-like point of view, if a squad of heretics have a giant chopping through them, there're far less likely to shoot at the rest of the giants shooting them to bits. This could also be used to get the heretics out from cover.

 

Nice job on the scholar guy, he really looks like he's watching/recording whatever there're doing. I have a question though, do assault squads have a scholar guy? I can't see how they would write down what they do on the spot, they aren't going to be anywhere near another squad that could record it for them, and in the fury of combat you're going to be watching your opponent, not your squad mates...

;)

[brother varen]

Zincite, you bring up a valid point about the scholar brothers. First each squad would have a scholar brother even assualt squads.

 

But the scholar brothers wouldn't be just watching their brothers fighting. They would be doing their duty as well.

 

Here is what i'm thinking: The scholar brothers would have a helmet modification that records data of battle data. Then after the battle, they would review it along with after action reviews from their brothers. After getting all the information they would go about writing about their squad's actions and losses. If i remember correctly in Rogue Trader days they had a group of helmets that could link their vision to each other. So maybe the scholar brother's helmet could be recording not only his views of battle but that of his battle brothers. 1000heathens can give his input here, lol.

 

1000heathens, great job on the scholar brother. The scholar brother symbol is nice, i like it. Get work on the sergeant's pose.

[chaplain belisarius]

Why not have the marines helmets record data and the scholar brothers collate this information and write it up after the battle? As a mark of their office, they carry a book with all the records for their squad?

 

this any good? :huh:

[Hyaenidae]

Alright, I've fiddled with the Sergeant a little, but no more than a slight torso twist. I just like him too much to 'eff' with him too much. As magicman and zincite so elegantly put it, he's a badass with a chainsaw sword, and dammit, he's gonna use it...very inelegantly! Although I do enjoy the whole 'knightly' feel to Marines, I'm more a fan of them being the meanest, most brutal shock troops in existince. And nothing says ' :( You!!' like a chainsword to the face.

 

And as for the Assault Scholar-Brother, I was thinking scribe servo-skulls, or possibly a similar rig to the Thorian Inquisitor from the Specialist games line (the fella that looks like he has an ancient printer on his back, lol). The brother speaks, and the Skull/Rig writes his words on flowing vellum. I was thinking that assault troops would be rare with the MM. A rarity of jump packs are more about survival and salvage. A unit that jumps into an ork horde is a tactical risk to a chapter suffering an equipment shortage, as there is a good chance that they will die badly, and their armour and equipment lost to the orks. 10 suits of armour lost would be a severe blow to a chapter such as the Marines Malevolent, being so strapped for parts.

 

So, because of this, only Vanguard Vets rock the jump pack in my army. As such, the Scholar-Brother with the Vanguard is an ancient Vet, watched closely by the Crusade Chaplain as a possible student, capable of controlling his speech, keeping his litany of hatred flowing despite the hell around him. I'll build a model around this guy, I promise.

 

Thanks, guys. I'll get the Sergeant done soon. Take care.

[chaplain belisarius]

good idea! servo skulls are very 40k too...:wacko:

 

your army looks awesome...

[Zincite]

Ahh, I see...

 

This'd make a nice one, some wires, servo-skulls, and ping! Your done...

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Custom...ade_445x319.jpg

Or will it be scratch built? :lol:

 

EDIT: I have another question, do you have (as someone else put it) a 'backup file' for the recorded data? After all, a dreadnought isn't going to just sit around all day, recording stuff. And if he gets killed that's a large chunk of history gone... and no matter how good a warrior he is, there's always something bigger (Titan! ;)).

 

Sorry, I really should stop mucking up your fluff :sweat: