[HH1.0] Tactica Chainaxe: World Eaters

[Terminus]

 

 

Caedere weapons are cute as a way to get an extra attack with a paragon blade, but a power fist is better. The lash would make for a fun "I want to be a Bloodthirster when I grow up" Praetor kitbash.

 

The blades are a paired weapon, I don't think you can combine them with yet another to get +2 attacks.

RAW they are a pair used in a single "hand" like Gorefather/ Child with Angron.

 

Stupid, but exploitable

Angron's weapons are also described as a pair of axes that give him an extra attack.

 

Really, you're overall a reasonable poster, so I can't believe what I'm reading. Having an attitude of "stupid but exploitable" means that that person is playing the wrong game.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Flint13
Let's tone that down a bit plz

[GirlOfTheFirePath]

Yeah, Red butcher sarge with dual chain fists.

 

With the spare points I could ramp up either the butchers (8) or the assault squads (3x18).

 

Thoughts?

[Terminus]

Ramp up the Butchers to 8 for the Sacred Number.  Assault squads should be 16 members total, which I think works with the apothecaries and 15-man squads. The eight-fold path awaits you!

[GirlOfTheFirePath]

Thanks for all your input!

 

Now I can prepare myself for a chainaxe to the wallet

[Guiltysparc]

A touch late to the party but if you are only bringing 5 butchers consider giving them a dreadclaw instead of the spartan, spend the point savings on something else. If toy want to keep the spartan then maybe look at putting more butchers or maybe an apothecary in there with them...or wait, are you putting Khârn in there? If so, ignore me lol

[Charlo]

Actually I think exploit was a bit of an exaggeration of words on my part -  the weapon is called twin blades, but its actual mechamics are nothing to do with being two handed at all, only the model (which doesn't really count for anything rules wise) - so it's just a specialist weapon you can pair with another. But you'd only get an extra attack from the Falax if using them, which on a Paragon Blade Preator is probably never...

 

Though as flint said, you don't even need hands to ride a bike apparently

If anything I'd go for the lash hook for sure which is by view only one handed and rule of cool!

Edited August 25, 2016 by Charlo

[Terminus]

They are listed as "Twin fallax blades" and the Rampager who comes with them is carrying, you guessed it, two blades.

 

I've always been uncomfortable with bikes as a conveyance that would find regular use in the varried terrain and battlefields of Warhammer (although see latest Star Trek for a counter argument on that point), but I assume any bike fighting is done cavalry style, so ride-by attacks as depicted by many stories featuring Eldar jetbikes, or dismounting and charging on foot like the White Scars are shown to do in Scars and Brotherhood.

[Charlo]

They are, but only in name is what I'm saying. It's less of an issue than something really hard pressed like Sniper rule meaning your Melta is S4 against AV or something. But like I said, mainly making people aware of it, I'd always take the whip!

 

And right? How good were the bike scenes in Beyond? :P

[Terminus]

Fair enough. It would be worth seeing someone try to convincingly model that, if nothing else.

I want a holo field like that.

 

 

edit: Oh snap, this guy right here! There's your twin-thallax blades that are in one hand. :D

 

Edited August 26, 2016 by Terminus

[Gorgoff]

Just came out of the cinema and loved it. An' yeah, I want such a holofield. Would go straight to Hecklar& Koch, sell it for a bazillion bucks and then buy me a huge Weaters army. Edited August 25, 2016 by Gorgoff

[Fangbanger]

Although butchers in an anvilus are juicy, be warned. It's not hard to blow up an anvilus and then have the rest of an armies fire power baring down on 5 terminators they won't last long. Or even being blown up and then charged is not an ideal situation.

 

I think the strat only really works if you have other pods/in your face distraction units and in your case, a leviathan does a good job if that. Maybe drop an assault squad for a 10 man tac squad in an anvilus to get the magic 3 pods. Make them inductii to have str6 dudes arriving from space to take on anything mid-late game.

[Ethrion]

Although butchers in an anvilus are juicy, be warned. It's not hard to blow up an anvilus and then have the rest of an armies fire power baring down on 5 terminators they won't last long. Or even being blown up and then charged is not an ideal situation.

 

I think the strat only really works if you have other pods/in your face distraction units and in your case, a leviathan does a good job if that. Maybe drop an assault squad for a 10 man tac squad in an anvilus to get the magic 3 pods. Make them inductii to have str6 dudes arriving from space to take on anything mid-late game.

Yep. This is why you drop a kharybdis with 15+ despoilers, a leviathan, and the red butchers all at once. While at the same time assault squads move up, jetbikes fly forward, and inductii charge forward. Stop all of that loyalist lap dogs! muahaha

 

edit: plus another anvillus with inductii and a contemptor in a pod!

Edited August 26, 2016 by Ethrion

[Fangbanger]

yes i too am a fan of the kharybdis with inductii

[Trevak Dal]

Haha the tau player already hates my all AP4 or better in assault army ( I was accused of playong a cheesy list and im not gona lie i almost laughed at him with his three riptides along his table edge )a typhon will just lose me an opponent. The two sicarans are on my list of things to buy after my core infantry is finished.

Sounds like another tau noob suckling at the Empire's teat who didn't bring enough aggressive ballistic intervention in the form of Crisis suits (Real Power Armor). I haven't had issue against 30k armies with my tau...if anything it was easier than dealing with free upgrades.

[God-Potato of Mankind]

I'd love to play against tyranids or infantry guard with an inductii heavy list

Edited September 3, 2016 by The God-Potato of Mankind

[Terminus]

Chainaxes should probably be AP5 like heavy chainblades.

[Caillum]

Heavy chainblades are AP4. Heavy chainswords (the ones from the BRB) are AP5. See p115 of Mechanicum Taghmata.

[Terminus]

Is this another case of the iTunes Legion book being full of errors? It has it as AP5.

 

The physical copy doesn't have it at all.

Edited September 4, 2016 by Terminus

[Caillum]

Good old FW / BL consistency! :) I looked in my eBook copy and couldn't find it either.

 

I remember when Mechanicum Taghmata came out, I thought, "Wow! Thallax and Tech-thralls will be awesome with +2 Str and AP4!" I think it was an intentional change, like chainaxes, but who knows.

[Terminus]

I would be tempted to disregard the iTunes version, because I think that version just carried over the glossary/index/reference of the 7th edition rulebook, hence me still having crappy hellstrike missiles and a couple of other tidbits I can't recall at the moment. However in the 7th edition book it's heavy chainsword, so someone went to the effort to change it to blade. The only other book this stat seems to appear is way back in Book 1, where it doesn't mention heavy chainblades but refers you to the rulebook for heavy chainswords.

 

So I don't even know now, I guess Mechanicum makes better saw teeth and somehow Angron got a limited distribution deal except for a few he tossed to Horus?

[Flint13]

Nah, just yet another example of the Mechanicum tooling things better than the inferior biologicals.

[Ethrion]

Just wanted to recount how the World Eaters crushed the Imperial Fists again recently  The new rules really have elevated the World Eaters into a new level of destructiveness in close combat. I hadn't really known how it would translate from rules on a page to actually table top results but man, its brutal. As long as you can get everything in the enemy's face all at once and right away they don't have a hope in killing all of it fast enough. Some units will suffer sure, and not everything will make it, but the stuff that does...ouch. In brief:

 

I stole the initiative and dropped down a kharybdis with Angron, Gahlan and 15 despoilers, and a leviathan with phosphex on the entrenched Fists. Leviathan rinsed a lascannon squad and the kharybdis jinked it's weight in saves.

 

Turn 2 Angron charged 20 breachers and swept them up before being shredded themselves by 10 plasma cannons (13 despoilers died to keep Angron et al. alive). The leviathan charged a contemptor and tore it apart.

 

10 Storm shield terminators then smashed into Angron, Gahlan and the two remaining despoilers. Naturally I roared challenge and Polux stepped up. He was promptly mulched along with a couple of terminators. The two World Eaters and Gahlan were killed but Angron survived only taking a single wound. Terminators failed their leadership and were swept up themselves. 

 

Plasma cannons got annihilated soon after by an even more enraged Angron and with the right and centre of the Imperial Fists now gone it was left to some inductii and red butchers to take out the remaining left flank of 10 more lascannons and 20 more breachers.

 

Plasma support, melta support, and 20 assault marines were unused. Even the leviathan, the red butchers, and the inductii units barely took part and only fulfilled clean up duty.

 

All in all it was pretty brutal and over almost as fast as it started. I think a lot also had to do with how the Fists deployed (far too strung out and exposed). It was also interesting because a lot of his units were T5 and had boarding shields so negated a lot of the bonuses that World Eaters rely on. But even that seemingly wasn't enough to stem the tide. Weight of numbers and numbers of units I think is key for XII Legion lists. Angron was obviously great, but again, against invulnerable saves his impact was lessened. 

 

Glory to the twelfth!

Edited September 8, 2016 by Ethrion

[Guiltysparc]

Sounds like a fun game!

[God-Potato of Mankind]

Haha I love how Angron smashed Polux and friends aside. I thought he would get pulped after being charged by 10 IF Terminators.

 

I gotta use him more....

[Ethrion]

Haha I love how Angron smashed Polux and friends aside. I thought he would get pulped after being charged by 10 IF Terminators.

 

I gotta use him more....

Yeah, I was sitting there thinking ok this is the end of Angron, 20 powerfist attacks, not even a primarch can weather that. But the terminators basically halved their attacks in hitting and missed a few to wound before I decided on tanking all on Angron's 4++ and 4+FNP from Gahlan. Naturally spent 2 of the wounds on the last few despoilers lol!

 

It was the first time I deployed Angron (usually we keep primarchs for special scenario games) and I gotta say he wasn't OP but he was damn effective!