Terminus Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Well it's not so much that Breachers want to take a charge, since being the attacker denies the enemy charge bonuses as surely as defensive grenades. It's just that their negatives to charging and consolidating make them bad at getting there and following up. So usually you're just taking overwatch fire for no gain. Also the Breachers do not have access to chainswords so no axes for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) I ask because I keep seeing everywhere (else) that unless you go all-Raider you're throwing the match since you can't assault out of Rhinos, and I'm too cheap (poor) to buy a ton of Raiders. Well, you need to use assault vehicles (phobos, spartans, dreadclaws, etc), otherwise an assault themed army isn't going to work. You could certainly run a WE list while forgoing our close combat prowess but that doesn't really make much sense. You could certainly try footslogging 20 man tactical blobs but with the abundance of large blast, high strength, low AP weapons in 30k i think you would get blown off the table pretty quickly. As long as you have some assault vehicles to rush the enemy you can have a bunch of guys following on foot or in rhinos. They should be less of a priority and so should be able to make it close before coming under fire. For example, send down a dreadclaw or two, and rush a landraider. Behind those, turbo boost the rhinos and/or run the footsloggers. Next turn charge with the first wave you sent down and the rest should be pretty close on their heels by that point. The rhino troops should have moved a total of 30" by T2 and should be ready to support charge T3. Certainly if there was nothing in the face of the enemy early on, footslogging/no assault vehicles will make life hard. Edited October 8, 2016 by Ethrion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silk Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Ok thx guys, i had the Idea maybe with the rite of war, to build up some breachers cause i like the style of em with the big shields and mk3 you know:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I forsee my future as a wave of Tactical blobs. Time to get my hands on Apothecaries. Ethrion 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I forsee my future as a wave of Tactical blobs. Time to get my hands on Apothecaries. Go bonkers, 5 blobs of 20. 100 of anything is a pain in the peach to get rid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I forsee my future as a wave of Tactical blobs. Time to get my hands on Apothecaries. Go bonkers, 5 blobs of 20. 100 of anything is a pain in the peach to get rid of. with apothecaries etc that will maybe JUST reach 1500... add two deredeo's, a sicaran and a preator. maybe some extra tanks and bam 2500 pts list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unholyechoes Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I forsee my future as a wave of Tactical blobs. Time to get my hands on Apothecaries. Go bonkers, 5 blobs of 20. 100 of anything is a pain in the peach to get rid of. Especially if they are a horde chainaxe Inductii, foaming at the mouth and rocking FNP. Ethrion 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silk Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Hi guys again i have a maybe stupid question for you. Would you say its fluffy or is there mention in the fluff that the alpha legion had an allingment with the world Eaters? A friend of mine had the idea to add an Seeker Squad or the Headhunter Killteam :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I mean, it IS the Alpha Legion, who knows what they're up to. They could be working with a band of World Eaters temporarily as their motives align, or something similar. Whether they are worth it tactically I cannot say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Tactically it's worthless. From the allies chart, World Eaters are the only Legion the Alphas actively loathe, and the feeling is mutual. Charlo 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Alphas are good at infiltrating but no, they're not that good. No way they can emulate being a World Eater. An Alpha Legion player I know wanted to take Red Butchers as his 'borrowed' unit. I told him the rules technically allowed it but really absolutely no chance...Red Butchers are pure XII legion...no copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Alphas are good at infiltrating but no, they're not that good. No way they can emulate being a World Eater. An Alpha Legion player I know wanted to take Red Butchers as his 'borrowed' unit. I told him the rules technically allowed it but really absolutely no chance...Red Butchers are pure XII legion...no copies. There's no 'technically' in the rules. :P I see it as some Alpha Legionnaires stealing them whilst they're locked up and dropping them in the thick of it. The World Eaters do pretty much the same thing, they just don't steal them first. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 In this case they'd probably just engineered some butchers nails and used them on some blood thirsty Astartes or something plus whatever other crazy tricks they had! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silk Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Damn, that :cusss me up a little bit -.- Where can i find these allies chart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 In whatever FW book you have, it should be near the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silk Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Ok thx Terminus, then i have to look for it. I am ashamed i thought it could be stylisch and easy, to add just one seeker squad which could work with we :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Alphas are good at infiltrating but no, they're not that good. No way they can emulate being a World Eater. An Alpha Legion player I know wanted to take Red Butchers as his 'borrowed' unit. I told him the rules technically allowed it but really absolutely no chance...Red Butchers are pure XII legion...no copies. There's no 'technically' in the rules. I see it as some Alpha Legionnaires stealing them whilst they're locked up and dropping them in the thick of it. The World Eaters do pretty much the same thing, they just don't steal them first. XD I know ;) I'm just protective over my insane madmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgoff Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Ok thx Terminus, then i have to look for it. I am ashamed i thought it could be stylisch and easy, to add just one seeker squad which could work with we :( Wouldn't work anyway, because they are Fast Attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unholyechoes Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Alphas are good at infiltrating but no, they're not that good. No way they can emulate being a World Eater. An Alpha Legion player I know wanted to take Red Butchers as his 'borrowed' unit. I told him the rules technically allowed it but really absolutely no chance...Red Butchers are pure XII legion...no copies.There's no 'technically' in the rules. I see it as some Alpha Legionnaires stealing them whilst they're locked up and dropping them in the thick of it. The World Eaters do pretty much the same thing, they just don't steal them first. XD I know ;) I'm just protective over my insane madmen.Angron isn't, Alpharius, Alpharius, or Alpharius could probably just ask to borrow them for a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Yup, Angron thought bodyguards were a sign of weakness for a primarch and would leave his behind all the time :lol: Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Yup, Angron thought bodyguards were a sign of weakness for a primarch and would leave his behind all the time Doesn't help that they had, IIRC, terminator armour. Hardly something to let them follow Angron around. Flint13 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flint13 Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Dad come back! We've got short leeeeeeegs! :lol: Gorgoff and Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Dad come back! We've got short leeeeeeegs! STOP BOTHERING ME OR YOU WILL HAVE *NO* LEGS! Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted October 14, 2016 Share Posted October 14, 2016 Why am I reminded of the tomato ketchup joke, lol. Unholyechoes, Gorgoff and Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethrion Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Yup, Angron thought bodyguards were a sign of weakness for a primarch and would leave his behind all the time I like sending down Angron with a cataphractii command squad and then deliberately separating from the unit and running off :D Unholyechoes 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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