Runefyre Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 That who situation seems like a misplay... IF you are playing a AoD mission, you kill the grey slayers because they score. If the Deathsworn are dangerous to your scoring units you kill the Deathsworn because the game is based on taking objectives. If you are playing a kill points or VP game, you kill the Deathsworn because they kill stuff. Obviously there is value in forcing the enemy to make decisions, but there are definitely better ways to do that. For example Bikes. IF you are insistent in fielding Deathsworn. As the rules currently stand they need to have an Assault Transport, but you could probably get away with no in-unit character support. But if you are taking deathsworn hiding Speakers in them is admittedly a convenient way of filling out the HQ requirements. grouj 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 That who situation seems like a misplay... IF you are playing a AoD mission, you kill the grey slayers because they score. If the Deathsworn are dangerous to your scoring units you kill the Deathsworn because the game is based on taking objectives. If you are playing a kill points or VP game, you kill the Deathsworn because they kill stuff. Obviously there is value in forcing the enemy to make decisions, but there are definitely better ways to do that. For example Bikes. IF you are insistent in fielding Deathsworn. As the rules currently stand they need to have an Assault Transport, but you could probably get away with no in-unit character support. But if you are taking deathsworn hiding Speakers in them is admittedly a convenient way of filling out the HQ requirements. I don't know If it's even that convenient it's very expensive as drathsworn are expensive speakers while worth it are actually quite expensive and a phobos us also expensive. I'm personally really not feeling drathsworn without scoring and without a save they don't really seem like they offer much they are a power are unit with rad grenades. I'd almost always rather be e terminators from a gameplay perspective only downside to them is more transport points but a Spartan isn't to much more than a phobos and a kharybidis is the same cost as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Oh and another thing, they had close Grey Slayers in support of them at almost every instance when they got into it with the exception of the Vulcan fight. This additional threat didn't allow him to just massed fire to get past the 2+ like you would normally do since you basically had a unit of Grey Slayers right there as well. So the Salamanders player was practically forced at times to split fire between GS and DS.I like that tactic, how was he keeping up with the Deathsworn in Land Raider and the ones that outflank though? In the couple of times I have seen them in a Hvral list, the player was giving one of the GS packs Scout as well to keep up with the DS. And you are not taking close support so much as in support within a turn. If the GS were within 18 inches at the start of the turn that was going to be good enough to support with ranged fire or as a very close counter assault unit in support of the DS. Granted the magic moment happens when both come in on same board edge on same turn from Outflank and all hell breaks lose, but sometimes it is keeping the GS mid board in a Rhino and when the DS Outflank in, the Rhino flat outs to that side to provide support. I use the same tactic in 40k with GH packs, one pack with dual plasma with bolsters and one pack with dual meltas and ccw. I tend to keep them in close support as they both are just sporting a 3+, but the same applies. The same can be used with Marksman Veterans and a GS blob or Marksman Veterans and a DS w/Speaker. Close support of two 3+ units or a little less with the DS for a solid one-two punch on enemy units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnwolf Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Are people taking command squads or just joining HQ to elites like Termis, Varagyr and Deathsworn the way to go? With the HQ enforcements points are tight. If so how are people kitting them out? I've only made my banner bearer so far with twin claws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I was taking command squads but now i have Varagyr ive had to drop them from the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I feel command squads aren't the way to go unless you really can't afford transport space simply because scoring terminators or veterans is a really nice thing. Now if you have sufficient scoring the best way to arm them is either non terminator probably axes and shields keep them cheap. Or terminator chainfist one and the rest power fists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I'm trying out a command squad as I wanna surround my Jarl with combat shields. Grey Slayers lose all their benefits when joined by characters and Veterans cannot buy shields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Remember Giegor has their veteran skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) Remember Giegor has their veteran skill. I wanna surround my Jarl with combat shields.Read Praetor Edited April 13, 2017 by Bladewolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Remember Giegor has their veteran skill. I wanna surround my Jarl with combat shields.Read Praetor TY. And I plan to go hog wild with Not-Bjorn, toss him in a Spartan with 20 Grey Slayers...mwahahahahahaha*cough*hahahahahahaha Lord Blackwood 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranwulf Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) Guys would the HQ Vechile from the Armored Breakthrough Rite of War count for the non-compuslory HQ from the Legiones Astartes Space Wolves rules? I've been toying with the idea of an armored hunting pack of Predators and other armored forces, sorta like Egil iron Wolf in 40K, Ran Edit: Also, would the Predators actually be ANOTHER choice for Troops instead of Grey Slayers? Edited April 15, 2017 by Ranwulf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouj Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Has anyone done testing between pale hunters and Bloodied claw? Which have you found the most useful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baluc Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Guys would the HQ Vechile from the Armored Breakthrough Rite of War count for the non-compuslory HQ from the Legiones Astartes Space Wolves rules? I've been toying with the idea of an armored hunting pack of Predators and other armored forces, sorta like Egil iron Wolf in 40K, Ran Edit: Also, would the Predators actually be ANOTHER choice for Troops instead of Grey Slayers? Its unclear if SW can even take Armoured Breakthrough at the moment unfortunately. It would be an excellent RoW for SW if they could though. Has anyone done testing between pale hunters and Bloodied claw? Which have you found the most useful? Really depends on your play style. Bloodied Claw is low benefit low restriction, Pale Hunter is medium benefit, High restriction. I like Pale Hunter since I take a lot of Vets, but I doubt I would ever take Bloodied Claw unless I was doing like two Combat Bike units to abuse doubling up on howl of the death wolf. Or Maxed Grey Slayer mobs. grouj 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Can you ally 2 Space wolf armies together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 I don't see why not unless there's a specific restriction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Can you ally 2 Space wolf armies together? I believe in 30k it is impossible to ally with yourself period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Ah okay, wasnt sure if it was like 40K where you could ally in different factions.... Fancied running 2 1500 point lists as pale hunters and either armoured breakthrough or bloodied claw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted April 15, 2017 Share Posted April 15, 2017 Ah okay, wasnt sure if it was like 40K where you could ally in different factions.... Fancied running 2 1500 point lists as pale hunters and either armoured breakthrough or bloodied claw Would have been cool until each of those needs separate 2 hqs and in the heresy no transport sharing do honestly a huge pain in the bunghole. But also to my knowledge wouldn't work based on the allied rules. Now pale hunters can actually make decent as an ally to another legion as it helps bring in a lighting early grants a heavy support slot some scoring and if you keep it to 1k you can just bring a cheap delegatus (unless they can't be taken in a non primary I can't recall). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 So my groups next big paid event is a whole day of 1250 ZM custom scenarios. I'm not sure what I want to take exactly but I figured I would ask around and see what others think would be a good idea for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grouj Posted May 1, 2017 Share Posted May 1, 2017 You may just want to run groups of slayers with power weapons through the halls. Get them stuck and and chopping people up. Maybe some Deathsworn as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Well My Two Working Ideas are as such Primarchs Chosen +++ The DeathWolf Stalks The Ship (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy) [1150pts] +++++ Zone Mortalis - Combatant (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [1150pts] +++ Elites +Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon [160pts]: Legiones AstartesCortus Dreadnought: Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers, Twin-Linked LascannonContemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon [150pts]: Legiones AstartesCortus Dreadnought: Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers+ HQ +Leman Russ [455pts]: Frag & Krak Grenades, PrimarchThe Wolfkin of Russ [100pts]:+ Legion +Legiones Astartes: VI: Space Wolves, LoyalistRite of War: Primarch's Chosen+ Troops +Legion Terminator Squad [205pts]: Chainfist, 4x Legion Terminators, Legiones Astartes, 3x Power FistCataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon: Terminator ArmourLegion Terminator Sergeant: Power FistLegion Veteran Tactical Squad [180pts]: Additional Wargear, 9x Legion Veteran Space Marines, Legiones Astartes, Veteran Tactics: MarksmenLegion Veteran Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, BolterPower Weapon: Power AxeStandard Wargear: Bolt Pistols, Bolters, Chainswords/Combat Blades, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour A Sinking Ship +++ Rampaging Void Wolf (Warhammer 30,000 - The Horus Heresy) [1250pts] +++ ++ Zone Mortalis - Combatant (Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List) [1250pts] ++ + Elites + Contemptor-Cortus Class Dreadnought Talon [320pts]: Legiones AstartesCortus Dreadnought: Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers, Twin-Linked LascannonCortus Dreadnought: Dreadnought Close Combat Weapon, Searchlight and Smoke Launchers, Twin-Linked Lascannon Legion Terminator Squad [205pts]: Chainfist, 4x Legion Terminators, Legiones Astartes, 3x Power FistLegion Terminator Sergeant: Power FistTerminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon: Terminator Armour + HQ + Legion Praetor [155pts]: Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Legiones Astartes, Master of the Legion, Paragon Blade Priest of Fenris [380pts]: Legiones AstartesAdditional Wargear: Great Frost BladeDeathsworn Pack: 7x Deathsworn, Legiones Astartes, Rad GrenadesAdditional Wargear: Great Frost BladeStandard Wargear: Artificer Armour, Bolt Pistol, Frag & Krak Grenades, Power Axe, Yimira Class Stasis BombsSpeaker of the Dead: Garm-blood vial, Healing Balms, Power MaulStandard Wargear: Bolt Pistol, Frag & Krak Grenades, Refractor Field + Legion + Legiones Astartes: VI: Space Wolves, Loyalist Rite of War: The Pale Hunters or The Bloodied Claws Depends + Troops + Grey Slayer Pack [190pts]: 9x Grey Slayers, Legiones AstartesAdditional Wargear: 2x Power Fist5x BolterPower Weapon: Power SwordPower Weapon: Power SwordHuscarl: Artificer Armour, Great Frost BladeStandard Wargear: Bolt Pistols, Chainswords/Combat Blades, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Both look good and a nice mix of units. Depends how hardcore your meta goes but the second is certainly a bit "nicer".... ;) Russ in ZM will be mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Doesn't your first list still require a standard Centurion or Praetor? I'm away from my books but I thought that was a permanent condition. Doesn't your first list still require a standard Centurion or Praetor? I'm away from my books but I thought that was a permanent condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'd argue much like the special character fulfilling that requirement (through mutual agreement and FW emails) Russ more than makes up for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I'm inclined to agree with that's how it should work given he's the biggest Jarl... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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