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I can't tell you how amused I am to see 'suzerainty' in the Leman Russ novel.

 

Also, since the Insurrection starts 30 years later, what would be the most common armour mark? 4 seems to be the canon one, so would 5 or 6 be ours, 5 being the canon Corvus pattern?

Also, after reading the first 50 pages of Russ, the most interesting application is political in nature. During points of the Great Crusade, legions and Terra would argue about campaign assignments. In this case, the Wolves and Russ are angry that the First Legion have been added to their current campaign.

 

It occurs to me that Alex with his political skill could make arrangements for other legions as a way to earn favors/goodwill.

Another good point.

 

And a fair one regarding armour marks. It takes the Great Crusade 200 years to be on the cusp of five armour marks, or one every 40 years on average. With an extra 30 years, the BotL Great Crusade doesn't quite reach mark 6, but does reach it before the end of the Insurrection. What is the canon mark 7 armour?

Well, Raktra and I wondered about Mk V as a more economic choice for certain Legions who place less value on sophisticated auto-systems and tend to need regular maintenance. So it won't cover the broad range of Heresy ones, and its short time to devise will mean that Mk VI can be rolled out quickly, as demand is limited, the Mechanicus' resources are growing etc.

Mark V is the Heresy armor. The one with exposed power cables and bonding studs, as well as any stopgap armor that was scrounged together by downtrodden legionaires with no access to fresh suits or matching parts.

 

Mark VI would be the "beaky" Corvus pattern, with enhanced sensors and stealthier capabilities.

 

Yeah, our V as pictured by Raktra and I would be closer to VII

 

Why is that?

Reasons outlined above. It'd be an official, Mechnicus-designed mark, rather than the collection of improvised and scavenged suits that make up canon Mk V.

 

Edit: though that closeness is in function more than anything else. Wotsit studs can stay on some suits, certainly.

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Mark 7? That would be the "Aquila" pattern we know and hate , the type that the majority of 40k Marines wear.

Fix'd. These are the reason I went directly to 30k when it started. I know the Imperium's stupid, but to the point of only developing 0,5 armour mark in 10 000 years doesn't fit to me. I'd rather have Beaky and Inssu patterns last until short before the Nomads invasion.

 

The fact that non-scavenged MkV is denominated production-grade seems to imply it already existed in some form, but was never pressed into active distribution by the time of the HH. Give us 30 more years and it'll be a decent alternative for more complex to maintain/produce suits, a boon for legions with high losses or difficult logistic lines ('Serkers, Eagles, Stalkers, Preds....)

As far as Mk.VI&Mk.IV are concerned, the Lions would still largely be armoured in Mk.III. The only suits if Mk.IV to make their way in would be fortified as anything, with extra armour plates added all over the place. Mk.VI would be practically unheard of, with only a few legionaries choosing to wear it

 

Also, +1 to what Skal said

Edited by Sigismund229

 

I'd say an assault unit so we can have Ruel in the resin.

 

Well, Ruel is in resin and is traveling to the US with Alex. So, no worries there.

 

Tacticals sound wise, although Nate is encouraging to aim a little higher since I could theoretically get the tacticals in that Heresy box set. How would I go about making Myrmidon? I believe I said they're Tartaros, right Blunt?

According to the rules that I have they are in Cataphractii, which combines with the Tower Shield to give them a 3++.

 

Narrowed the gift list. Nate is essentially encouraging me to go big or go home. The current options are a Cerastus Knight-Acheron, Spartan Assault Tank, Whirlwind Scorpius, or some terminators with a character. 

That's a damn good friend :) The difficulty is they are all good choices. The Knight has the advantage of being able to be used with your BAs, but doesn't really progress your Vth. The Spartan and Scorpius are awesome looking with fantastic rules, but you'd need some more bodies before you could use them. And I'd still be very tempted by the Termies + Character to possibly make Phyricles (or a Terminator Vraben) and Myrmidons. I know this probably isn't of much help, but I doubt I'd be able to make that decision for myself in a reasonable amount of time.

Thankfully, my friend is doing a bulk order at the end of the month, so I have time to dwell on it. Actually, to get the Acheron and Spartan, I'll need to contribute my own birthday funds, but, at most, all he's asking is an extra $20. So, one of the determining factors is whether or not that Tau Codex I ordered on eBay is any good. If it is, that's the extra $20 I can throw. If it isn't, then I'll need to buy the codex from the story, and that'll eat up all but $5 of my money. At that point, the choice will be between the Scorpius and the terminators. 

 

Which, thinking on it, makes me more inclined towards the Spartan and Acheron, since this is a limited opportunity to add something really big to my armoury. If I got the Acheron, I would add it to House Zivich, which fluff-wise is an allied House to the legion. It would also be the second knight I need to fill out the basic requirements for a Questoris Knight detachment, primary or allied. So, it can fit easily in both canon and BotL with either 30k legion or 40k chapter. 

 

Also, why do people hate the Aquila pattern? It is because of the actual armour design or the fluff that says it's been around for 9,000+ years? Also, the argument, as I understand it, is that since we have more legions who want an easier to maintain armour, we don't truly have a 'beakie' armour? 

It depends. Corvus was de facto rejected by some Legions - Iron Warriors for starters - and it seemed to me that it was intended for more specialist Legions or units

Just for reference, the Steel Legion would use predominantly use Mk.4 Armour but happily adopts the Mk.6 as well given the improved sensory suite, mobility and stealth capabilities.

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