simison Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I can't tell you how amused I am to see 'suzerainty' in the Leman Russ novel. Also, since the Insurrection starts 30 years later, what would be the most common armour mark? 4 seems to be the canon one, so would 5 or 6 be ours, 5 being the canon Corvus pattern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 4 was just being rolled out during the Heresy. Main differences I see are that IV will be common and V will be in fairly regular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 4 was just being rolled out during the Heresy. Main differences I see are that IV will be common and V will be in fairly regular I thought Corvus pattern was just on the verge of being adopted by the legions per Deliverance Lost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 It depends. Corvus was de facto rejected by some Legions - Iron Warriors for starters - and it seemed to me that it was intended for more specialist Legions or units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Also, after reading the first 50 pages of Russ, the most interesting application is political in nature. During points of the Great Crusade, legions and Terra would argue about campaign assignments. In this case, the Wolves and Russ are angry that the First Legion have been added to their current campaign. It occurs to me that Alex with his political skill could make arrangements for other legions as a way to earn favors/goodwill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 And helping to make sure people don't get driven to despair by having to work with certain Legions, fostering ties between others. simison 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Another good point. And a fair one regarding armour marks. It takes the Great Crusade 200 years to be on the cusp of five armour marks, or one every 40 years on average. With an extra 30 years, the BotL Great Crusade doesn't quite reach mark 6, but does reach it before the end of the Insurrection. What is the canon mark 7 armour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Mark 7? That would be the "Aquila" pattern we know and love, the type that the majority of 40k Marines wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I ask to help figure out what armour marks would best fit a BotL legion. So, Mark 5 is 'Corvus' Mark 6 is Insurrection Mark 7 debuts 040, not quite 10 years into the war. Roughly, things are the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Well, Raktra and I wondered about Mk V as a more economic choice for certain Legions who place less value on sophisticated auto-systems and tend to need regular maintenance. So it won't cover the broad range of Heresy ones, and its short time to devise will mean that Mk VI can be rolled out quickly, as demand is limited, the Mechanicus' resources are growing etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Mark V is the Heresy armor. The one with exposed power cables and bonding studs, as well as any stopgap armor that was scrounged together by downtrodden legionaires with no access to fresh suits or matching parts. Mark VI would be the "beaky" Corvus pattern, with enhanced sensors and stealthier capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Yeah, our V as pictured by Raktra and I would be closer to VII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 On another note, I'm keen to see what Drak does with Nik's look. All Demus and I have so far is something vaguely Dwarvish, flowing curves but also hard angles and straight lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Yeah, our V as pictured by Raktra and I would be closer to VII Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Narrowed the gift list. Nate is essentially encouraging me to go big or go home. The current options are a Cerastus Knight-Acheron, Spartan Assault Tank, Whirlwind Scorpius, or some terminators with a character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Acheron is pretty baller with the S7 AP3 Ordnance Hellstorm Flamer and S:D Chainfist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Yeah, our V as pictured by Raktra and I would be closer to VII Why is that? Reasons outlined above. It'd be an official, Mechnicus-designed mark, rather than the collection of improvised and scavenged suits that make up canon Mk V. Edit: though that closeness is in function more than anything else. Wotsit studs can stay on some suits, certainly. Edited March 11, 2017 by bluntblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Mark 7? That would be the "Aquila" pattern we know and hate , the type that the majority of 40k Marines wear. Fix'd. These are the reason I went directly to 30k when it started. I know the Imperium's stupid, but to the point of only developing 0,5 armour mark in 10 000 years doesn't fit to me. I'd rather have Beaky and Inssu patterns last until short before the Nomads invasion. The fact that non-scavenged MkV is denominated production-grade seems to imply it already existed in some form, but was never pressed into active distribution by the time of the HH. Give us 30 more years and it'll be a decent alternative for more complex to maintain/produce suits, a boon for legions with high losses or difficult logistic lines ('Serkers, Eagles, Stalkers, Preds....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share Posted March 11, 2017 Yeah, can we keep variant helms ethnographic to the End Times? Please? Skal, that's the interpretation I was going with. You phrased it much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) As far as Mk.VI&Mk.IV are concerned, the Lions would still largely be armoured in Mk.III. The only suits if Mk.IV to make their way in would be fortified as anything, with extra armour plates added all over the place. Mk.VI would be practically unheard of, with only a few legionaries choosing to wear it Also, +1 to what Skal said Edited March 11, 2017 by Sigismund229 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 And we all know Bears do enough to their Armour making it times appear a different mark of experimental armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 I'd say an assault unit so we can have Ruel in the resin. Well, Ruel is in resin and is traveling to the US with Alex. So, no worries there. Tacticals sound wise, although Nate is encouraging to aim a little higher since I could theoretically get the tacticals in that Heresy box set. How would I go about making Myrmidon? I believe I said they're Tartaros, right Blunt? According to the rules that I have they are in Cataphractii, which combines with the Tower Shield to give them a 3++. Narrowed the gift list. Nate is essentially encouraging me to go big or go home. The current options are a Cerastus Knight-Acheron, Spartan Assault Tank, Whirlwind Scorpius, or some terminators with a character. That's a damn good friend :) The difficulty is they are all good choices. The Knight has the advantage of being able to be used with your BAs, but doesn't really progress your Vth. The Spartan and Scorpius are awesome looking with fantastic rules, but you'd need some more bodies before you could use them. And I'd still be very tempted by the Termies + Character to possibly make Phyricles (or a Terminator Vraben) and Myrmidons. I know this probably isn't of much help, but I doubt I'd be able to make that decision for myself in a reasonable amount of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Thankfully, my friend is doing a bulk order at the end of the month, so I have time to dwell on it. Actually, to get the Acheron and Spartan, I'll need to contribute my own birthday funds, but, at most, all he's asking is an extra $20. So, one of the determining factors is whether or not that Tau Codex I ordered on eBay is any good. If it is, that's the extra $20 I can throw. If it isn't, then I'll need to buy the codex from the story, and that'll eat up all but $5 of my money. At that point, the choice will be between the Scorpius and the terminators. Which, thinking on it, makes me more inclined towards the Spartan and Acheron, since this is a limited opportunity to add something really big to my armoury. If I got the Acheron, I would add it to House Zivich, which fluff-wise is an allied House to the legion. It would also be the second knight I need to fill out the basic requirements for a Questoris Knight detachment, primary or allied. So, it can fit easily in both canon and BotL with either 30k legion or 40k chapter. Also, why do people hate the Aquila pattern? It is because of the actual armour design or the fluff that says it's been around for 9,000+ years? Also, the argument, as I understand it, is that since we have more legions who want an easier to maintain armour, we don't truly have a 'beakie' armour? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Also, Blunt, now that Drak has finished the marine pictures, you should put that on the front page instead of the outdated image currently there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 It depends. Corvus was de facto rejected by some Legions - Iron Warriors for starters - and it seemed to me that it was intended for more specialist Legions or units Just for reference, the Steel Legion would use predominantly use Mk.4 Armour but happily adopts the Mk.6 as well given the improved sensory suite, mobility and stealth capabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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