Armageddon: The Space Marine Half

[HeadlessCross]

17 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

If you are going to make a claim about people's motivations, you should expect a response to lead to further discussion. 

 

So practice what you preach I suppose, or you'll just see commentary you don't like in response to your mistaken assumptions. 

Nah, the Primaris whiners are worse than the people that somehow never moved on from the Necron fluff starting in 5th. 

[phandaal]

17 minutes ago, Scribe said:

If you are going to make a claim about people's motivations, you should expect a response to lead to further discussion. 

 

So practice what you preach I suppose, or you'll just see commentary you don't like in response to your mistaken assumptions. 

 

Yeah, or we could just repeat the same thing that happened 24 hours ago. 

 

Orange Knight can post some more bait once the thread quiets down, three or four people will snap the bait up, several more people will jump on the bait-takers, and everyone will attempt to win by the power of words. That last part can go on indefinitely because no one really backs down, we just take a breather to recharge for the next post that will show them once and for all.

 

But seriously, guys. If you want to know the correct opinion I am right here. It's not that complicated. 

[Scribe]

40 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Nah, the Primaris whiners are worse than the people that somehow never moved on from the Necron fluff starting in 5th. 

 

Hardly, Necrons were fixed with the 9th reboot. The Primaris lore can never be redeemed.

[roryokane]

I like the characters. I echo the slightly "meh" feeling of the intercessors, though I do like more older armour marks making their way in to the range.
The hybrid Gravis/Mk VII helm looks a bit odd (almost like a Sarum pattern terminator helmet that I saw in some artwork once), but not exactly a hanging offence. Happy to head swap everyone to older helmet marks if they don't ahve them already, and the one thing I *will* be doing is head swapping the land speeder crew and adding pauldrons so they look like proper firstborn marines flying a variant Landspeeder. Might be worth looking to see if anything weapons-wise can be fitted into the "headlight" slots (or at least get rid of the silly antennae at the front - I wonder if something could be jerry rigged to fit in there... missiles, or more assault cannons, maybe...)?

[SvenIronhand]

4 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Hardly, Necrons were fixed with the 9th reboot.

I thought you were anti-retcon.

[Marshal Reinhard]

While I think there's a nugget of truth that a lot of the complaints on the subject of the knee ridges are precisely because they're entirely associated with the new and not at all with the old (not something anyone could ever prove because noone would ever admit to it), I would myself as an adopter of the new like to see more models without them, not because I mind them in anyway but because I would welcome the variation.

 

The old face plates or helmet tubing or cabling on the torso etc is all fine and dandy, but they could have been a bit more adventurous here. Having a model with say, mk3 vambraces, or the cabling that Captain centos had, or older style backpack, parts with bonding studs etc would not have gone amiss. Even so I think the intercessor squad here is a fine looking intercessor squad and a lot more interesting than the first outing way back in 8th.

 

That said if I were to get them I would have a large pool of further customization options to use from various upgrade bits from my chapter of choice, but not everyone has that available to them.

[Joe]

Personally, I'd love to see them toss some of the knee plates onto Heresy models - partly to capture the early 2000s TCG style art pieces a bit, partly as it'd just be deeply entertaining to see people grumble about Primaris armour elements being backported.

 

That said, more variety in armour designs - past or present - is always appreciated. I agree with Reinhard that being a bit more adventurous would've been nice.

 

 

 

[Scribe]

42 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

I thought you were anti-retcon.

 

The retcon was with 5th, 9th was bring them back to their 3rd edition tone instead of all Tomb Kings all the time is a return to form.

[WrathOfTheLion]

Yes, I would have preferred them doing a little more in the design space mixing in older armor marks. Even just some other design choices, like pulling in more bonding studs, or making them an option for the leg plates, would be nice. It worked really well on the MK X armor of the one Vanguard Veteran, sprinkling more of that design trope would make them much more visually interesting.

 

A MK X leg with squared off MK IV style kneepads or cable details like on MK V would've looked quite cool.

 

A long-winded way of saying that the changes are welcome, although maybe a little more safe than I would've preferred.

Edited Monday at 06:58 PM by WrathOfTheLion

[SvenIronhand]

Honestly, I’m probably gonna pick up the box, Primaris Wars aside. The least exciting things for me are the Captain and Eradicators (though Heavy Bolters with blast might make them worth taking). But, everything else is pretty solid in my opinion.

For my Greymanes, there’s probably going to be some conversion work done — ye odd headswap for most of these. I’m not sure how I’m going to fit the Captain in, though. I’m pretty lousy with Aethelings right now.

[Crimson Longinus]

9 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

The retcon was with 5th, 9th was bring them back to their 3rd edition tone instead of all Tomb Kings all the time is a return to form.

 

Just like giving space marines grav tanks again! Now only we could return them to be gritty penal legionaries instead of revered space knights, and unretcon the primarchs so that they would again be normal marine commanders instead of silly giant demigods. And of course undo the weird retcon about marine gender limitations. 

[phandaal]

Just now, Crimson Longinus said:

Now only we could return them to be gritty penal legionaries instead of revered space knights

 

Ackshually, the new Renegade minis have already done that by giving Marines back their mohawks and eye tattoos. Now that was a real nostalgia hit!

[MoriyaSchism]

9 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

Just like giving space marines grav tanks again! Now only we could return them to be gritty penal legionaries instead of revered space knights, and unretcon the primarchs so that they would again be normal marine commanders instead of silly giant demigods. And of course undo the weird retcon about marine gender limitations. 

You know you're wrong and you still posted that with complete confidence.

[Crimson Longinus]

6 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

You know you're wrong and you still posted that with complete confidence.

 

With complete confidence! I actually think all of those things would be genuine improvements. It's why I cannot really get too upset about the primaris lore being painfully stupid. Marine lore had already gotten utterly insufferable before it. If it is the price for getting superior looking new models then I gladly pay it. 

[LittlePlasticHomies]

If any lore is dumb it’s literally all warhammer lore and I say that with affection.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

This thread has, in the past 24 hours, attracted more than its fair share of reports to the moderator, largely about members oversimplifying opposing arguments, accusations of baiting and other ad hominem type responses.  This type of behaviour is not acceptable at B+C.  Plus, its largely devolved into the perennial go-around about people's opinions on the primaris models generally, rather than these models specifically (it is noted, kicked off by the pro-primaris camp this time round).

 

As such, I'm giving the thread a time out and will unlock it later this week.

 

Your orange using mod, Dr. R.

Edited Monday at 10:32 PM by Dr_Ruminahui

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Okay, this thread is now unlocked.

 

Please remember that people are entitled to like or dislike the new models for reasons that you may not share. 

 

That does not permit members to level accusations attributing bias or motivations to those persons for their doing so, or digging up old arguments about whether primaris are a good or well executed concept.  Any further posts of this nature are liable to be hidden and/or get the thread locked permanently.

 

Dr. R., moderator of orange.

Edited 6 hours ago by Dr_Ruminahui

[CastellanDeMolay]

So, what do we think the options and layout of the sprues means for future releases? Taking a look at the Intercessors, the kit looks like it could conceivably replace the current multipart kit, with all of the options on there. The only thing that makes me doubt this is it seems like there's only one Auxillary Grenade Launcher per 10 models, which seems like a measure to incentivise buying a separate MPK. 

The other thing that interests me is the Eradicators. There's already an MPK for the ones with Melta Rifles, and that had a Multi-Melta. I don't see how GW could give this new unit an upgrade on an already upgraded Heavy Bolter, so it seems unlikely they would get a MPK, but at the same time that would leave them in the same space as Suppressors, stuck on a sprue with a couple of other things. I suppose if they do get an MPK, and they have options for other weapons then it will kind-of confirm my suspicion that Eradicators are going to become a firstborn-as-proxy-unfriendly replacement for Devastators. 

[Dr. Clock]

1 hour ago, CastellanDeMolay said:

it seems unlikely they would get a MPK

One solution is just to add a sprue with 3 heavy bolters to the existing Eradicator kit, making it into a 3-sprue 'dual build' affair. By the looks of it this wouldn't be very hard because the backpack ammo/battery racks are separate from the main housing. I think what's more likely is they'll release the relevant Bolter squad sprues all as one set in a year or two, and Eradicators in general get recut for next edition. I guess I won't be surprised if a different Eradicator thing happens with the Codex, but I certainly don't expect it... Marines do tend to get two waves per edition though, so maybe they'll be bundled into the second one since rumours are for codex-time releases to be on the 'fast' rather than 'tanky' side of the list. 

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Evil Eye]

That is one thing I'm quite pleased with about this new stuff; it seems like the new units are mostly very in-line with classic Marine equipment sensibilities. The most "out there" models- the Eradicators- could easily just be represented with upscaled HB Devastators, maybe with extra armour. I dunno, nice to see Marines getting a bit more back to their roots.

[jaxom]

7 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

could easily just be represented with upscaled HB Devastators, maybe with extra armour.

Gravis is, in spirit, similar to MK 3. Heck, Havocs are T5 now.