Armageddon: The Space Marine Half

[Laurence]

2 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

Heavy bolters, melta AND grav?

 

Yeah, no. Not buying it.

 

They're not gonna turn eradicators into new devestators.

No, they'll give Desolation squads even bigger and more ridiculous weapons in a similar way to their current missile launchers!

[MoriyaSchism]

You know what would be great? A new Land Speeder Storm and a bike scout release. 

[Gamiel]

I like it. It's a good starter box and the new character units look good. I really should not buy it since I have to big pile of opportunity already but I'm tempted. 

[CastellanDeMolay]

12 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Which was the reason they were so broken. It doesn't matter if you wound Daemons on a 6 if you reroll all your wounds and get five shots. 

Now that we have a damage stat on weapons, I could see them being reworked into something like 1 Attack Wounding on the opponent's Armour Save (or 6+ if its -) and causing Damage of (something like) 1D6 for every 6 Wounds on the target's profile. (rounding up) A little bit like Blast but for Damage instead of Attacks. 

[appiah4]

Everything old is new again, yet somehow still tired and boring..

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

4 hours ago, appiah4 said:

Everything old is new again, yet somehow still tired and boring..

Have people always been like this? Did people complain when the Tactical Squad was redone four or five times before the advent of Primaris? Were people this upset when the old plastic scout kit replaced the metal models? 

[Orange Knight]

4 hours ago, appiah4 said:

Everything old is new again, yet somehow still tired and boring..

 

The curse of Marines being so popular. They demand releases because they sell more than all other factions combined, but they don't need releases.

 

One day, when people look back, they'll recognise Primaris as the best move GW did as it gave us a decade of new and fresh designs - Not all successful, of course.

40 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Have people always been like this? Did people complain when the Tactical Squad was redone four or five times before the advent of Primaris? Were people this upset when the old plastic scout kit replaced the metal models? 

 

It's funny because they did, but then they complained even more when GW gave us something new.

[Scribe]

42 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Have people always been like this? Did people complain when the Tactical Squad was redone four or five times before the advent of Primaris? Were people this upset when the old plastic scout kit replaced the metal models? 

 

Yes.

[Crimson Longinus]

5 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Have people always been like this? Did people complain when the Tactical Squad was redone four or five times before the advent of Primaris? Were people this upset when the old plastic scout kit replaced the metal models? 

It’s either that or complaining about the new thing being too different from the old thing. 

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:28 PM by Crimson Longinus

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

The proportions on the Land Speeder look good but something about it gives off a Primaris vibe (or marvel vibe as I think of it). It's almost like it's too clean. It's hard to explain but I don't love it like the old model. 

[Crimson Longinus]

18 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

The proportions on the Land Speeder look good but something about it gives off a Primaris vibe (or marvel vibe as I think of it). It's almost like it's too clean. It's hard to explain but I don't love it like the old model. 

 It looks better than the old one, but it needs some stowage and weathering. 

[Evil Eye]

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Have people always been like this? Did people complain when the Tactical Squad was redone four or five times before the advent of Primaris? Were people this upset when the old plastic scout kit replaced the metal models? 

In the former case I don't remember complaints about the refreshed Tacticals (most of the complaints for that wave were directed at the Centurions). In the latter case it was somewhat justified, the plastic Scouts were definitely a step down in quality from the Jes Goodwin metals, though admittedly better heads go a long way with them.

[Laurence]

2 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Have people always been like this? Did people complain when the Tactical Squad was redone four or five times before the advent of Primaris? Were people this upset when the old plastic scout kit replaced the metal models? 

I can only imagine the mass riot that ensued when RTB01 was retired for the Mark VII marines.

[Tawnis]

2 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Have people always been like this? Did people complain when the Tactical Squad was redone four or five times before the advent of Primaris? Were people this upset when the old plastic scout kit replaced the metal models? 

I don't remember hearing anything about it back in the day. I assume it's because the models didn't change base sizes and there were no rules stopping you from using old one. I used my old metal scouts mixed in with my plastic ones and the looked similar enough to not be a problem. Same thing with the tacticals, I used my 2nd edition tacticals all the way up until the end of 7th (not that often as I eventually accumulated enough to use mostly the new models, but I would break them out for Apoc games, and I always had the option to use them if I wanted to.)

When kits did get refreshed, it felt like there was a real purpose behind it, like with the upscaling of the original terminators. I was a bit annoyed that as a kid I'd spent several months allowance on a set of terminators the previous year, but the new models did have a far better look and feel to them on the table.

Even so, it was a relatively rare thing back then, whereas now it feels constant. 

[Evil Eye]

Just now, Tawnis said:

I don't remember hearing anything about it back in the day. I assume it's because the models didn't change base sizes and there were no rules stopping you from using old one. I used my old metal scouts mixed in with my plastic ones and the looked similar enough to not be a problem. Same thing with the tacticals, I used my 2nd edition tacticals all the way up until the end of 7th (not that often as I eventually accumulated enough to use mostly the new models, but I would break them out for Apoc games, and I always had the option to use them if I wanted to.)

When kits did get refreshed, it felt like there was a real purpose behind it, like with the upscaling of the original terminators. I was a bit annoyed that as a kid I'd spent several months allowance on a set of terminators the previous year, but the new models did have a far better look and feel to them on the table.

Even so, it was a relatively rare thing back then, whereas now it feels constant. 

This is absolutely it. I remember the 3E Tyranid Codex showing a wonderfully painted 2E Hive Tyrant with the caption "This older Hive Tyrant is available from the mail order service; it is entirely appropriate to use older models in your army as the Tyranids are constantly evolving" underneath. From 3rd-7th you could pretty much use any Tactical models you wanted assuming they were WYSIWYG valid; even rebasing for the switch to 32mm bases wasn't an absolute necessity as slight base size differences was pretty inconsequential in game. Now, every time they refresh a model they go out of their way to make the old one outright obsolete.

 

It's gone from "We could do better with this model, let's make a newer one" to "Let's make everyone have to retire and replace their existing models". It's tiresome.

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Tawnis said:

When kits did get refreshed, it felt like there was a real purpose behind it, like with the upscaling of the original terminators. I was a bit annoyed that as a kid I'd spent several months allowance on a set of terminators the previous year, but the new models did have a far better look and feel to them on the table.

 

Same as the current terminators.

So to answer the original question

4 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Have people always been like this?

 

 Yes, this is how it always is.  People get off on being angry.

[Evil Eye]

50 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

Same as the current terminators.

And the new Terminators are largely well-regarded. Your point?

[phandaal]

Were the multiple warnings from the moderators to not start this again not enough?

 

Or do you guys really just not care that the thread is going to be locked for anyone who wants to talk about other things?

 

Pretty sad, honestly. Have some self-control, people.

[mel_danes]

Hoping to do a box swap. 

Meaning I'll have two of the Marine halves.

 

Couple of thoughts 

 

- Possibly kit one set of VV with the old lightening claws, I have a full set. If needed I'd just run then with the same rules s the standard guys.

 

- If the Eradicators can run in 6 man squads I'll need to change up the second Sgt. I've got remnants of a MPK Heavy Intercessors & Eradicators kits.

 

- With two sets of the new Intercessors I wanted to really push the mixed armor. Helmet and back pack swaps. I thought about mixing in older wargear too.

 

- Might take that jump pack from the Chappy and stick it on an Indomitus chappy I've got laying around. 

 

- The spare Cpt could become a supped up Bladeguard character?

 

What would you do with two sets of the Marine half?

[01RTB01]

5 minutes ago, mel_danes said:

 

What would you do with two sets of the Marine half?

 

Swap them for orks lol (sorry)

[MoriyaSchism]

7 minutes ago, mel_danes said:

What would you do with two sets of the Marine half?

I'd probably end up chopping up the spare Librarian, Chaplain and Vanguard Veterans for parts or reposes. It's a difficult question really. Having more than one copy of a monopose miniature makes me want to reach for my razor saw. Here's hoping that the Land Speeder is less of a pain to customize than the Ballistus Dreadnought (a truly horrible hunk of plastic that I'm currently chopping up so it fits with a resin upgrade kit for the Redemptor). 

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, mel_danes said:

 

- The spare Cpt could become a supped up Bladeguard character?

Makes sense, could be Lieutenant. I keep thinking the Ancient would be a good base for converting an Emperor's Champion.

[mel_danes]

1 hour ago, jaxom said:

Makes sense, could be Lieutenant. I keep thinking the Ancient would be a good base for converting an Emperor's Champion.

Banner arm holding a Black Sword aloft?

[Orange Knight]

Have you guys seen the new Marine combat patrol for 11th? I think it's a really great set and it might be a better way for people to start if they are only interested in the Marines from the launch box.

You get the new Shield and Sword Captain, 10 Intercessors, 5 Vanguard Veterans and the Speeder. Going forward this is a much better "generic" starter than what we had in 10th.

I still think the Combat Patrols are too expensive, however. If they were sold for £80 - 90 (or $120 bucks in the US) they would generally be a lot more approachable for people.

[Karhedron]

58 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

You get the new Shield and Sword Captain, 10 Intercessors, 5 Vanguard Veterans and the Speeder. Going forward this is a much better "generic" starter than what we had in 10th.

 

I think it is only 5 Intercessors but still good as most people are not short of Intercessors.