Armageddon: The Space Marine Half

[Scribe]

40 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Nah, the Primaris whiners are worse than the people that somehow never moved on from the Necron fluff starting in 5th. 

 

Hardly, Necrons were fixed with the 9th reboot. The Primaris lore can never be redeemed.

[roryokane]

I like the characters. I echo the slightly "meh" feeling of the intercessors, though I do like more older armour marks making their way in to the range.
The hybrid Gravis/Mk VII helm looks a bit odd (almost like a Sarum pattern terminator helmet that I saw in some artwork once), but not exactly a hanging offence. Happy to head swap everyone to older helmet marks if they don't ahve them already, and the one thing I *will* be doing is head swapping the land speeder crew and adding pauldrons so they look like proper firstborn marines flying a variant Landspeeder. Might be worth looking to see if anything weapons-wise can be fitted into the "headlight" slots (or at least get rid of the silly antennae at the front - I wonder if something could be jerry rigged to fit in there... missiles, or more assault cannons, maybe...)?

[SvenIronhand]

4 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

Hardly, Necrons were fixed with the 9th reboot.

I thought you were anti-retcon.

[Marshal Reinhard]

While I think there's a nugget of truth that a lot of the complaints on the subject of the knee ridges are precisely because they're entirely associated with the new and not at all with the old (not something anyone could ever prove because noone would ever admit to it), I would myself as an adopter of the new like to see more models without them, not because I mind them in anyway but because I would welcome the variation.

 

The old face plates or helmet tubing or cabling on the torso etc is all fine and dandy, but they could have been a bit more adventurous here. Having a model with say, mk3 vambraces, or the cabling that Captain centos had, or older style backpack, parts with bonding studs etc would not have gone amiss. Even so I think the intercessor squad here is a fine looking intercessor squad and a lot more interesting than the first outing way back in 8th.

 

That said if I were to get them I would have a large pool of further customization options to use from various upgrade bits from my chapter of choice, but not everyone has that available to them.

[Joe]

Personally, I'd love to see them toss some of the knee plates onto Heresy models - partly to capture the early 2000s TCG style art pieces a bit, partly as it'd just be deeply entertaining to see people grumble about Primaris armour elements being backported.

 

That said, more variety in armour designs - past or present - is always appreciated. I agree with Reinhard that being a bit more adventurous would've been nice.

 

 

 

[Scribe]

42 minutes ago, SvenIronhand said:

I thought you were anti-retcon.

 

The retcon was with 5th, 9th was bring them back to their 3rd edition tone instead of all Tomb Kings all the time is a return to form.

[WrathOfTheLion]

Yes, I would have preferred them doing a little more in the design space mixing in older armor marks. Even just some other design choices, like pulling in more bonding studs, or making them an option for the leg plates, would be nice. It worked really well on the MK X armor of the one Vanguard Veteran, sprinkling more of that design trope would make them much more visually interesting.

 

A MK X leg with squared off MK IV style kneepads or cable details like on MK V would've looked quite cool.

 

A long-winded way of saying that the changes are welcome, although maybe a little more safe than I would've preferred.

Edited May 4 by WrathOfTheLion

[SvenIronhand]

Honestly, I’m probably gonna pick up the box, Primaris Wars aside. The least exciting things for me are the Captain and Eradicators (though Heavy Bolters with blast might make them worth taking). But, everything else is pretty solid in my opinion.

For my Greymanes, there’s probably going to be some conversion work done — ye odd headswap for most of these. I’m not sure how I’m going to fit the Captain in, though. I’m pretty lousy with Aethelings right now.

[Crimson Longinus]

9 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

The retcon was with 5th, 9th was bring them back to their 3rd edition tone instead of all Tomb Kings all the time is a return to form.

 

Just like giving space marines grav tanks again! Now only we could return them to be gritty penal legionaries instead of revered space knights, and unretcon the primarchs so that they would again be normal marine commanders instead of silly giant demigods. And of course undo the weird retcon about marine gender limitations. 

[phandaal]

Just now, Crimson Longinus said:

Now only we could return them to be gritty penal legionaries instead of revered space knights

 

Ackshually, the new Renegade minis have already done that by giving Marines back their mohawks and eye tattoos. Now that was a real nostalgia hit!

[Crimson Longinus]

6 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

You know you're wrong and you still posted that with complete confidence.

 

With complete confidence! I actually think all of those things would be genuine improvements. It's why I cannot really get too upset about the primaris lore being painfully stupid. Marine lore had already gotten utterly insufferable before it. If it is the price for getting superior looking new models then I gladly pay it. 

[LittlePlasticHomies]

If any lore is dumb it’s literally all warhammer lore and I say that with affection.

[Dr_Ruminahui]

This thread has, in the past 24 hours, attracted more than its fair share of reports to the moderator, largely about members oversimplifying opposing arguments, accusations of baiting and other ad hominem type responses.  This type of behaviour is not acceptable at B+C.  Plus, its largely devolved into the perennial go-around about people's opinions on the primaris models generally, rather than these models specifically (it is noted, kicked off by the pro-primaris camp this time round).

 

As such, I'm giving the thread a time out and will unlock it later this week.

 

Your orange using mod, Dr. R.

Edited May 4 by Dr_Ruminahui

[Dr_Ruminahui]

Okay, this thread is now unlocked.

 

Please remember that people are entitled to like or dislike the new models for reasons that you may not share. 

 

That does not permit members to level accusations attributing bias or motivations to those persons for their doing so, or digging up old arguments about whether primaris are a good or well executed concept.  Any further posts of this nature are liable to be hidden and/or get the thread locked permanently.

 

Dr. R., moderator of orange.

Edited May 7 by Dr_Ruminahui

[CastellanDeMolay]

So, what do we think the options and layout of the sprues means for future releases? Taking a look at the Intercessors, the kit looks like it could conceivably replace the current multipart kit, with all of the options on there. The only thing that makes me doubt this is it seems like there's only one Auxillary Grenade Launcher per 10 models, which seems like a measure to incentivise buying a separate MPK. 

The other thing that interests me is the Eradicators. There's already an MPK for the ones with Melta Rifles, and that had a Multi-Melta. I don't see how GW could give this new unit an upgrade on an already upgraded Heavy Bolter, so it seems unlikely they would get a MPK, but at the same time that would leave them in the same space as Suppressors, stuck on a sprue with a couple of other things. I suppose if they do get an MPK, and they have options for other weapons then it will kind-of confirm my suspicion that Eradicators are going to become a firstborn-as-proxy-unfriendly replacement for Devastators. 

[Dr. Clock]

1 hour ago, CastellanDeMolay said:

it seems unlikely they would get a MPK

One solution is just to add a sprue with 3 heavy bolters to the existing Eradicator kit, making it into a 3-sprue 'dual build' affair. By the looks of it this wouldn't be very hard because the backpack ammo/battery racks are separate from the main housing. I think what's more likely is they'll release the relevant Bolter squad sprues all as one set in a year or two, and Eradicators in general get recut for next edition. I guess I won't be surprised if a different Eradicator thing happens with the Codex, but I certainly don't expect it... Marines do tend to get two waves per edition though, so maybe they'll be bundled into the second one since rumours are for codex-time releases to be on the 'fast' rather than 'tanky' side of the list. 

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Evil Eye]

That is one thing I'm quite pleased with about this new stuff; it seems like the new units are mostly very in-line with classic Marine equipment sensibilities. The most "out there" models- the Eradicators- could easily just be represented with upscaled HB Devastators, maybe with extra armour. I dunno, nice to see Marines getting a bit more back to their roots.

[jaxom]

7 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

could easily just be represented with upscaled HB Devastators, maybe with extra armour.

Gravis is, in spirit, similar to MK 3. Heck, Havocs are T5 now.

[Silas7]

10 hours ago, Dr_Ruminahui said:

Okay, this thread is now unlocked.

 

Please remember that people are entitled to like or dislike the new models for reasons that you may not share. 

 

That does not permit members to level accusations attributing bias or motivations to those persons for their doing so, or digging up old arguments about whether primaris are a good or well executed concept.  Any further posts of this nature are liable to be hidden and/or get the thread locked permanently.

 

Dr. R., moderator of orange.

I wondered why this topic *only* had 9 pages lol

[Wispy]

7 hours ago, jaxom said:

Gravis is, in spirit, similar to MK 3. Heck, Havocs are T5 now.

I have a buddy who uses MKIII to represent Gravis. Like, he gave them multimeltas and everything. 

[WrathOfTheLion]

I do wonder if the intercessor kit will keep separate greave plates or not. It's a bit fiddly, but my only problem was they never ran with it and actually gave any options.

[Wispy]

6 minutes ago, WrathOfTheLion said:

I do wonder if the intercessor kit will keep separate greave plates or not. It's a bit fiddly, but my only problem was they never ran with it and actually gave any options.

it's unlikely these Push-to-fit intercessors will have uniformly separate greaves. If there's a new multipart Intercessor kit following this, they'll definitely have separate greave plates. 

 

I would say look to the new Greyhunters for what to expect as they seem to be sister-kits*  in how they're designed. 

 

_{*sister as in the 'sister cities' sense not the Adeptus Soritas sense}

[Rhavien]

If I only knew if the MPKs which will surely follow will crucially expand the wargear options. Would be annoying to learn, that in fact all of the vanguard's can carry a plasma pistol or the HB gravis marines get an even heavier bolter like their melta cousins. I'm already annoyed that the 10 man intercessors only come with one grenade launcher dude. Can't imagine they change the rules for them to only carry one per 5-10. 

[Zoatibix]

I've bought a couple of kits e.g. Drukhari Hand of the Archon or Termagants where a small upgrade sprue comes with the er...upgrades...or weapon options.

[MoriyaSchism]

2 hours ago, Rhavien said:

If I only knew if the MPKs which will surely follow will crucially expand the wargear options. Would be annoying to learn, that in fact all of the vanguard's can carry a plasma pistol or the HB gravis marines get an even heavier bolter like their melta cousins. I'm already annoyed that the 10 man intercessors only come with one grenade launcher dude. Can't imagine they change the rules for them to only carry one per 5-10. 

"Heavier bolter" sounds funny for all the wrong reasons.