The Shattered Heart Warband. Make it louder.

[Iron-Daemon Forge]

 

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I've got the skittari and the magos, because why don't you have the skittari and the magos. I'm not sure how but I would like to pass him off a chaos sorcerer or a dark mechanicus something or other.

As long as I can put him on the table with my chaos forces I don't care which god I need to worship.

 

 

 

 

If you check out Forge World Armour 13: Lost & the Damned.  There are some upgrade for the Renegade to theme some unit on Dark Mechanichs (6+ feel no pain & little better armour save). 

 

​Ether way, Mechanicus models are cool.  It'll be great to these models finish along side you warband :D

[BrotherJim]

Thanks for the comments guys!

 

That's the plan yes! I want to collect the Chaos Codex, Chaos Demons, then IA:13 and the Seige of Vraks, then probably the new Red Book that just came out.

But I keep buying more miniatures instead :D

 

Right now I'm eyeing off the demonettes or the blood thirsters....

 

Or maybe the chimera tank and the leman russ....

 

On the one hand, the demons will help with painting, or on the other hand, the tanks will help with scratchbuilding... I do want to keep pushing with the Black Legion, but I just need a little break from power armour for awhile.

 

Speaking of which I have been working on my Demon Prince. He is supposed to be the apotheosis of my army and the thread after all. I was intending to go away and do my best to finish him, so I could present him all badass like, boom, done. But it's not going to go down that way I'm afraid.

 

I'm just not certain about what colours I want to be using.

 

In terms of conversion, it was nessessary to build the demonprince before converting. This is because he has no hip joints to speak of. So it is nessessary to glue the legs into the body to form the hip. Then you are free to cut the legs away and pin them back on. I knew right away that I could use the leg greaves to cover any slip created by the conversion. It just took my mind awhile to realise you are provided with two shoulder pads as well. I decided to be super lazy, and I figured he would wear some kind of cloth of padding under the should pads, to stop chaffing, don't want our demonprince getting a rash!

 

It all started with the hood and the horns. I want to find a way to count as both Nurgle or Khorne, and have him still fit into my Black Legion. I'll spare you the worst of the WIP photos, but there is one particularly horrid one I want to show.

 

This miniature has really challenged me. I've murdered him at least six times now. Building him up, throwing down a base coat gifts the miniature some life, which helps push your converting. The you wash and prime again. I've primed this miniature so many times he's starting to lose detail.

 

But after everything I went through with the Virulent Malador, I knew there was still hope for him. But right now the colours have me licked. He will get the shoulder pads in the end, which will be black and gold. I want black wings, maybe with grey streaks, and bone-white skin. I was thinking of using brown/sand like I always do for his cloth areas.

 

I need to make a serious attempt at painting his skin.

 

He's coming together, but I'm giving up for awhile. I want to focus on the possessed and see where they take me. I'm open to advice as always. Right now I'm reading scars which is a great book.

 

Thanks for looking, and thanks for the comments! I was hoping to just get him finished. But for tonight, he has beaten me.

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/21C93E26-95A4-4E76-BB4E-66B134A11C4B_zpsnkcwroqt.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/81460060-B5BC-42CB-9766-7E789F287E18_zpshx6iwiso.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/0440A221-3B79-405F-A017-E16D0DC9E0BB_zps5kkfxtou.jpg

 

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It's a really great feeling when you can keep your own minis around as inspiration :)

[BrotherJim]

I think I should keep the hood black and seperate the shoulder cloths with brown.

 

I thought I might do the hood brown and push it up to white-ish. But I really want the white skin to be the deal. And the wings will be fun. I like drybrushing but, it will be nice to actually paint, once I figure out what colours I want things.

 

He's going on a brown sandy base, so there's that too.

 

I think I need more washes, maybe I'll just thin them down and muck around...

[KrautScientist]

Okay, once again, it's difficult do decide where to start ;)

 

Regarding all those extra models you could add to your army, I think you should keep your hands off the Escher models for now, as they are OOP and also some of GW's best female sculpts, and you may regret having simply used them as filler for your CSM army one of these days ;) The Cadians and stormtroopers on the other hand are fair game, obviously, and should be easy enough to turn into Renegades and Heretics.The

 

AdMech guys would really work in a chaos army, even without any supplementary rules: The Magos would be great as a Warpsmith, and the Skitarii could always be used as cultists. I think the whole Dark Mechanicus angle would really add an interesting piece of flavour to your Black Legion, although I think you will need to slightly convert these guys to look a bit more evil and chaotic, should you decide to go down that route.

 

Right, about the Daemon Prince: Mate, relax, your're doing alright ;)

 

I think the skin tone is shaping up quite nicely, especially on the wings and shoulders! Looks like the Rakarth Flesh + Ogryn Flesh/Reikland Fleshshade recipe so far, correct? Anyway, I like how the skin has such an unhealthy sheen to it, and I wouldn't really change too much about it, except maybe for some Druchii Violet carefully painted into the deeper recesses to make it all look even paler and more unhealthy.

 

The armour plates and shoulder pads will be in Black Legion colours, right? So going for a grey or black hood might just be a bit too monotonous -- have you considered red as an alternative? That would fit the general Black Legion outline, but also the Khornate angle. It would arguably be less fitting for a Nurglite Prince, but the option's there.

 

Should you decide to keep a black or brown hood, a cool way to make it look suitably threabare and worn would be to a) very carefully drybrush it with the slightest bit of Graveyard Earth or Steel Legion Drab. There needs to be very little paint on the brush, and you only want the paint to catch on the raised folds and angles, but it'll create a grimy, worn look. Or you can use a tiny bit of blister sponge and carefully sponge on a brighter colour (grey for black cloth or light brown for brown cloth) on the sharper folds, which will make the cloth look like scuffed leather.

 

The one thing that seems strange to me on the DP is the added Terminator helmet on top of the head -- that seems like a rather...dubious modeling decision, to be honest.

 

Regarding your Possessed, I think you should really go for the same general flesh tone you have on the DP and then have it turn even more distressed and icky towards the mutations, first by adding more and more washes (red and purple work really well for this) and by mixing in more and more black into the base colour, with the spikes and bladed limbs looking dark and chitinous. I believe this is all about balance: It's tempting to just go all out on the crazy effects, but for maximum effect, you want a shift from fairly human, if unhealthy, looking skin to outright disgusting and distorted flesh on the mutated areas.

 

Anyway, hope this helps! As always, looking forward to seeing your next update! :)

[BrotherJim]

 

@ Krauty - thanks for the advice matey, the demon prince is starting to come good, I think. I was concerned because the brown/sand I used for his cloth is the same recipe for the base. I was debating whether or not to change the bases to grey, which is an on-going debate in regards to my BL. In the end I realised it didn't matter either way, as I was going to paint the wings in black and grey, so there would still be that element of overlap either way.

 

Your advise helped spur me on, as ever. I've been working on the DP most of the day, and he is starting to take shape. For what it's worth I'm really pleased. He has a lot of potential in terms of conversion. I had no idea what I wanted to do going into this. I basically just decided to treat him like a chaos marine. He has the loin cloth already, so I made a press mold of the terminator power fist gizmo section, and used it to cover over his abs. I had already done the leg conversion, so the shoulders were natural. Using the hood prompted the shoulder cloth, and the last thing I wanted to do was include the horns and a face plate/mask somehow. I was also throwing around a terminator helm, either on the shoulder pad or somewhere else.

 

So it just became natural to use the helm in the manner I did. This way, it serves all purposes without committing to any. It also provides an area for me to drill into if I decide to cut away the horns, and try my own later. I actually like the whole arrangement, initially i had planned to paint the hood black, and I like the way the horns cast shadows over the face. (which I had basically ruined anyway and wanted some way to hide it.) I also like the way it confuses the arrangement and throws things off, you're not quite sure what you are looking at, at first. This reminded me of Magus and the Emperor and the way they have shifting faces as they are not fully in the material realm, or at least, they can choose the manner in which they want to appear. So I think it gives the mini a more ethereal quality. But also it kinda looks Khorne-ish in the sense that he just murdered a dude and is now wearing his helm to look more intimidating/scary. And the hood and canisters could count for Nurgle. So it was a great way to have my cake and eat it too, and still leave the mini open to future conversion.

 

I just wanted to clarify - I most certainly will not be converting the Esher! I'm sorry if I made it sound that way! They are my heart and soul, I just want to include them in my horde of cultists. I'm aniticipating I'll need 50-80 plus. So the three units shown, will form the foundations.

 

Hmm what else, is that it? I'll have to read your comment again :)

 

Here is the photo I wanted to shown of my ruined demon prince. It was the lowest moment of the conversion. Throughout this whole conversion my motto has been "if you can convert a space marine, you can convert a demon prince." :D

 

 

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He's still not finished. Not sure if I want the stars on his greaves in red or gold. I think I will go with electric blue lighting for his sword, as that's what I favour, though I am open to maybe orange/yellow.

 

Thanks for looking!

 

Let it be known, that for my love and respect for the chaos forum, and my army, I have decided not to read Scars until the end of the ETL. I will read Betrayer again instead, and that will get my engines revving in the right direction, no doubt.

 

 

Peace

[BrotherJim]

Moare pictures

 

I do have both shoulder pads painted, but I think he looks better with just the one.

 

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http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/6566881A-AC2A-4583-B0BD-AF61EFA21B80_zpsj79lpxbn.jpg

 

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[BrotherJim]

Got some more angles on the prince :D

 

I really enjoy these massive pictures :D

 

I forgot to mention I also did a quick bionic leg section, and he also has a sneaky combigun which I ran I tube to.

 

I also got carried away and did a family photo

 

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/108F754F-9CE0-4CAC-A02F-B12A961306CA_zpsi59c68xl.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/906F4D79-DD36-4FA8-8DCF-EFBBD64608BE_zpss0cvdr1b.jpg

 

Kinda failed with the lighting though...

 

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I like the progression from chaos cultist, chaos space marine, Chaos Lord/Sorcerer, Possessed, Demon Prince, and then I threw in the Berzerkers just for fun. The next element to add will be terminator armour, than then transports.

 

I'm really starting to sweat over how I will finish my land raider for the Zerks... And I really would like to do a World Eaters (Khorne) support element (but I will paint them black) somehow/someway. Maybe the ForgeWorld World Eaters upgrade, with the chaos kit could be worth looking into. But I also want the chain axes from the zerker kit... The legs in the zerker kit are alright, I've chopped them up before, that's how this whole mess started, with the legs being in seperate elements... After so long working with the assault marine legs, all you really want is to chop them up. Then you open the zerker kit and it's like, boom, problem solved. At least you were on the right track ;)

 

 

 

Ta!

Got some more angles on the prince :D

 

I really enjoy these massive pictures :D

 

I forgot to mention I also did a quick bionic leg section, and he also has a sneaky combigun which I ran I tube to.

 

I also got carried away and did a family photo

 

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/108F754F-9CE0-4CAC-A02F-B12A961306CA_zpsi59c68xl.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/906F4D79-DD36-4FA8-8DCF-EFBBD64608BE_zpss0cvdr1b.jpg

 

Kinda failed with the lighting though...

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/DE0D16AF-7FC0-4EAB-A1A5-7A764247DD2B_zpsze5g58vj.jpg

 

I like the progression from chaos cultist, chaos space marine, Chaos Lord/Sorcerer, Possessed, Demon Prince, and then I threw in the Berzerkers just for fun. The next element to add will be terminator armour, than then transports.

 

I'm really starting to sweat over how I will finish my land raider for the Zerks... And I really would like to do a World Eaters (Khorne) support element (but I will paint them black) somehow/someway. Maybe the ForgeWorld World Eaters upgrade, with the chaos kit could be worth looking into. But I also want the chain axes from the zerker kit... The legs in the zerker kit are alright, I've chopped them up before, that's how this whole mess started, with the legs being in seperate elements... After so long working with the assault marine legs, all you really want is to chop them up. Then you open the zerker kit and it's like, boom, problem solved. At least you were on the right track ;)

 

 

 

Ta!

[BrotherJim]

Hmmm you're right though, then horns/helm do/does look kinda goofy.

 

I was thinking of doing horns in a throwback(cutback) slannesh kinda way. Or Khorne would be upright and curved with ridges. Nurgle would have only one...

 

I was also thinking of painting the helm in another colour to seperate it... But what colour? What colour indeed...

[BrotherJim]

 

 

 

Hmmmm

 

 

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Potentia

[gezabutla]

I don't usually like the plastic demon prince, but what you've done here is great! If you're wondering about heads, you could keep it shrouded in darkness by a hood. That could serve as a cool corruption of that 'faceless robed angel' imagery you often see.

This blog is tempting me to paint up a Black Legion Astartes, just for old times sake. I look forward to more!

[Soldier of Dorn]

I've been watching this thread since it was started, and I should have commented here before, but I haven't. Let's remedy that.

 

First off, I really like your modeling. Blanche's influence is quite obvious, of course, but I can see a lot of stuff that reminds me of other fraters' armies. Stylistically, it reminds me just a little bit of Noctus Cornix's Chapter of the Ruined King, and if I recall correctly, he drew quite a bit of influence from Dark Souls, so I'm wondering if you did too? Bits and pieces also remind me of Brother Heinrich's Night Lords, mostly the tallscaling, but also some of the posing too. Either way, it's good stuff, and is providing me with a lot of inspiration for an upcoming Black Legion project of mine.

 

Secondly, your painting's not half bad either, and has most definitely shown a marked improvement in the few months that this log has been active. Obviously, I'm not the world's best painter, and as such I'm not really the one to give critique on painting, so I'll just say it looks good. Really good. The black looks a bit flat to me, but out of all the colors in the spectrum, black is the one that seems to be able to go horribly wrong easiest when you try to highlight it, and it looks good as it is. The trim on Chaos models tends to help quite a bit.

 

I had more I intended to post, but it seems to have slipped my mind. I'll post it when it comes back to me again, as it invariably will. 

[BrotherJim]

@ gezabutla- cheers man! Nice idea, that's definitely the direction I'm going towards. I seem to be thinking of the many faced God, or that bad guy in the old transformers movie. :D I really love the plastic demon prince at this point. I'd like to do one for each patron God. I'm thinking I could do a standing on for Nurgle, who is all hunched over and leaning on a staff, (made from the Axe provided.) But I think I'll save that pose for my next Nurgle sorcerer. Everybody has been really upright so far, my chaos marines all have excellent posture, I will say.

Thanks for the comment!

 

& the psycho - thanks and welcome to the thread! I have a very long winded and rambling reply. Ahh yes I remember the Ruined King, though I can't say I've drawn influence from Noctix's work, I will say it was one of those threads that really opened my eyes to the potential of chaos. I tried Dark Souls but it was too frustsrating! I'm not much of a gamer anymore. I'll be honest for the last few years I have been living on a staple diet of Dan's Night Lords 18th and The Iron Warriors 5th Grand Company Reborn. They are the two main threads I read, and when I compare my work to theirs, I still have a long way to go!

 

Brother Heinrichs Night Lords has had a big influence as well, though it's hard to say where. Those three NL's armies (darkven aswell) tend to blur into one another. Heinrichs is the best thread though overall as he's seems to do the most, just in terms of tutorials, vehicles, fluff and everything. Every page of that thread is inspiring.

 

It's tough because I made a very determined choice not to kitbash newer (older) armour marks into my army. Most chaos armies are a hum-jumble of which and what evers in a squad. I can understand the desire to have diversity in a squad. But for me I wanted things to be very old school and uniform. Now the challenge arises to keep up this sharade.

I will build another troops style bolter squad, that's no problem. But I really want BL raptors made from the chaos kit. And if I am successful that may feed into some proper converted bezerkers.

 

But in general I like my squads to be squads. And to be very "squaddy" in that sense. If that makes any sense at all. I'll let my characters do the talking in terms of conversion, and let a bit of spam slip into my squads. I remember in the old white dwarfs looking at two space marines, it was like spot the difference. This guy is looking to the left, while this guy has a skull on his helm. Clearly two different miniatures.

 

It's really tough to find good threads to read for inspiration for this type of army nowadays. There was more I wanted to say but it has slipped my mind. Since the black legion have been on the work desk, I have to say, I'm actually really pleased with them. I don't want to change anything, I just need to finish what I have and build more troops.

 

The real burden is always the rhinos. I could build infantry for years without complaint. Rhinos are ok once you get them going, but the BL are especially going to be a pain. I'm thinking of just going with FW doors and just moving on ASAP. If I start scratch-building now, lords knows where I'll finish. I think I'd rather attack that hobby aspect at a later date, during another project....

 

 

Hmm yes now the possessed... Would be good if I could hammer them out and vow again....

Yes everybody should do Black Legion, they take 2.5 seconds to paint and look maximum badass.

 

If you do paint one as inspired by myself, please drop off some pictures in here!

[BrotherJim]

Something I noticed recently which I wanted to make note of. For me first and foremost I always value the artwork and miniatures the most. There are a couple of things I've noticed recently and it's fun to chase them all back to the source (or at least attempt to.) in that way I really want to collect the old army books and rulebooks. The new ones are good too, but I'd love to own the old Mordhiem rulebook, or some of the old wWarhammer books. People keep mentioning a JB style and I'm honoured and really flattered. I would like to chase down and point out these elements, maybe once I've amassed a few more examples. But for me I tend to go for more of a Jes Godwyn, exacting perfection. In terms of size and scale. JB tends to take artistic advantage of proportion and perspective, whilst Jes seems to stick to more regimented frameworks. Both have their strengths and seem to work well together.

 

But here is something I noticed lately, especially considering all the World Eaters hype

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/MarkGibbonsWE_zpspkpfqkiv.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/EB702DE8-FDAE-4A1B-9463-E86C7C3EE97B_zpsbles4sg6.jpg

 

So close! I could definitely build that Mark Gibbons World Eater, but I feel I basically have already. Just a head and a weapon swap away. I don't like to blow my own trumpet, but when I saw this artwork again after Insane posted it in his thread, I was like oh yeah... Now I get it...

 

Here's another thing I was saving for another time, after I repaint the mini...

 

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/31562691-A903-4255-A48A-7B30E3B30424_zpswu93dzlx.jpg

 

This is Jes Goodwyns Chaos Space Marine Lord. He is my favourite Space Marine miniature of all time. (Probably) Let's just make some quick notes of the cool elements that make him boss. He has A) foot on rock, b ) flowing cape, c) corrupted gun/arm, d) the chest coat clasps, e) the backpack banner which enhances the statue and profile of the mini, f) the taking of enemies heads as trophies g) the hair/ ponytail; same effect as banner, enhances part/has flow h) he has the loincloth and buckler

 

Let's take a quick look at Abaddon

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/387C5E30-F380-42C9-89CA-84D79118BB32_zpsjrlnl6ue.jpg

 

Hmm so I don't think you need me to point them all out again but let's round off a few of my conversions with those elements in mind

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/E38BB4DE-21D4-4886-A58E-DB32F2023BB6_zpsjyxj9o57.jpg

 

Lord Vadormir has everything but the cloak. That's his name now.

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/5B200814-8513-4D52-BF85-647D072C4A05_zpsawtmwc0q.jpg

 

Sorcerer Valerion needs some element of flow, I was actually reminded of the Mark Gibbons artwork because I kept thinking he needed some trailing smoke to create flow... Now where have I seen that before (the mark gibbons art) & the Dark Angels Interrogtor-Chaplin, who would make a great word Bearer, (I'm a big fan of Dark Apostles work aswell.) So it all just feeds itself

 

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/5753F335-AA77-47D5-ADE3-C90B7C7D8FCE_zpshqydf4cg.jpg

 

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/2526C2CD-6988-47C3-8204-815C589FD765_zpsyzug1su6.jpg

 

Noxious is just doing his own thing, he's so far out there, one element I love, which was pure fluke (or was it?) is the way the hood flow carries over to the flow of the pipes. You can't plan that stuff, it's just the magic of making miniatures. Same with the way Diagon's oath paper hanging from his clasp, perfectly covers the gap I had created, I was actually looking for a SW chain, but I found that bit and it worked perfectly. Most of my work revolves around creating gaps and then trying to plug them.

 

 

Lastly my favourite Black Legionare to date

 

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/3B0D77E5-C1D6-4CA2-8F90-2F7DAC96B0DE_zpshhbq0wf2.jpg

 

Death to the False Emperor

[BrotherJim]

My Berzerker lord will always be my favourite though, as he is testament to Jes Goodwyn's visionary design. All I have done is open the assault marine legs and pin them back onto the hips. Then applied all the other rules outlined by his miniatures and artworks. Lord Vadormir is the same, he uses true chaos legs (I didn't use plastic tube) although I did steal some length when putting him together.

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/12A07603-13CA-4B37-B8CF-822CE34A0C33_zpsfxwql0am.jpg

[BrotherJim]

Whoops I forgot his trophie icon

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/9D20CAC6-89E0-40E4-BFCE-C694E91ACA6B_zpssoqo7ujl.jpg

 

Ok I'm done now.

[Midnightmare]

It's always so hard to comment on your stuff, there is so much of it! It's awesome as always, each 'army' looks so cohesive with themselves but your style lends well to combining them all together that they don't look out of place sharing the same table top.

 

Stand outs for me are the Daemon Prince and the newer Black Legion dudes as they always hold a special place in my heart, though your Nurgly dudes are rightly some of the best and original I have seen :tu:

[BrotherJim]

@ midnight - cheers matey, I was worried I'd scared you off with my insanity. I always value feedback I'm just a bit skub when it comes to managing the threads (and grammar.)

 

You're right too! I'd just made the same decision to push on with my renegade army, (they have the Godwyn exacting flow) but I feel there are enough conversion elements to tie the three forces together. I also think it's better to have three little Warbands that fundamentally depend on one another. Together making a whole force. The renegades will have one chaos shoulder pad, which I will paint black, and the other will have either rib cages or face plates, and the whole force will be devoted to Nurgle, and painted poo-brown.

 

I want to build more Black Legion, but not yet I'm afraid. When the second black legion book comes out I will pick up the first. ( I have a bit of a rule about that, which is why I dropped the heresy series for awhile, but things seem to be getting back on track now.) It's going to be a good year for Chaos and the Black Legion.

 

But first - Renegades

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/93269153-8EA8-4960-AC84-5651CD732027_zpsamhg38fy.jpg

 

This basically means that for the month of July I need to buy more (better quality) brushes. Next month will be more hobby modelling supplies. Then more plastic. In July we get our tax-back, so I'm frantically planning what to do with it. I need bikes and spawn. I really want to build my own spawn, but I need to track down where people get their wire which they make the frames with...

 

*mind wanders....

[Midnightmare]

@ midnight - cheers matey, I was worried I'd scared you off with my insanity. I always value feedback I'm just a bit skub when it comes to managing the threads (and grammar.)

No, not at all; unfortunately my hobby time (including forum time!) is somewhat limited atm due to punishing working schedules, which means I miss out on a lot of the great many logs on here, and the ones I follow I don't visit often enough. Surfice to say yours is always impressive when I do drop in with, in fact, the more insanity the better

[BrotherJim]

@ midnight - go crazy? Don't mind if I do! :D

 

Ahahaha well I do have some more elaborate updates planned, but today I am just dropping in for some painterly painting advice, as I move into the weekend. (It's Thursday night atm) I've been working on my demon prince and I've gotten him to a point where I don't hate him. I've stripped everything back and gone for a simple hood. Even making a point of this by removing the face completely. Now he's like a faceless God of War. An avatar of death. I had one of those nights last night where I got a kebab on the way home and it put me in a food coma. Resulting in my waking up at 3:30 in the morning, fresh as a daisy. So as I was sitting there drinking my coffee, looking at my demonprince (it's worth noting I am reading betrayer again and feeling totally immersed in the scene) I got to thinking how he might have come about in my army. Obviously he has the mark of Nurgle, but being a member of the Black Legion, he is the result of Lord Noxious and Sorcerer Valerions grand schemes. Perhaps that's why the two forces are working together to scourge the planet Mastifius Prime (as I shall now name it.) So perhaps he was once the leader of the Shattered Heart, or perhaps some esteemed Champion. I see Lord Vadormir (Vader-mer) ruling the Shattered Heart with and iron fist and a wicked cunning. I don't think he's the sort to trust to Sorcerer's Ways, or even the Powers themselves. Vadormir is more the badass traitorous backstabbing bastard, than he is a full blown Herectic. So all of that amounts to the fact I need to build this character who becomes the demon prince in my story. Probably a champion of some type. Further I want to move into building elaborate objective markers. More like scenic bases for my characters, ala ForgeWorld style. And I'm also reminded of that excellent "duel" that Insane did with his Iron Warriors. Just hobbying for the sake of hobbying. With my Black Legion and Virulent Malador laying waste to the planet Mastifius Prime and creating a little tempest storm, there will be plenty of cool ideas to convert into scenes and scenic bases/objective markers. Purely building for the sake of building, but still within the Shattered Heart Framework. Otherwise I'll just end up building Necro Terrain forever and ever.

 

Actually recently ive been looking at the Catachan range. Now, now, hear me out on this. The catachan range was old and clunky at the time of its release, even when brand new it was kinda underwhelming. But I love converting miniatures. I think the catachans would make great basic building blocks, for me to practice greenstuff and sculpting. They would also fit in really well with my BL or VM. Being that they are kinda clunky and dated. I like the new cultist, don't get me wrong. But I need something multipart plastic, because that's the joy really. I need it to be kinda old and clunky to inspire my converting. Let's think about the skittari for example. After looking at all my photos together. Well j just wouldn't convert the skittari. They are too nice. I'm even too intimidated to paint them! They also (almost) outshine my BL. Even the cultist to some degree. I look to the cultist for inspiration in terms of ideas. But I don't think I want them to be the building blocks for my horde.

 

Either way I'm sure I'll talk more about it in the future.

 

Oh yes my demon prince. I'm torn over what colour to paint his hood again. I actually really like this poo brown. I gues black will work, or brown/bone/white. I just need to repaint the skin, the hood, then the wings. Then I'm calling him done. Any final feedback from anyone before the painting begins? This weekend I should be sweet to finish my possessed and complete my vow.

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/B6B28993-BDF2-459A-BDDC-8EAE7C86589B_zpsiucpe8ey.jpg

 

 

I'm not sure if I really like it or not. He may still change in the future but I just get this over the line for my vow I think. I've still got a few face mask tricks up my sleeves. And who knows; maybe I'll go on to sculpt my own faces one day, and he will truly be the manyfaced God.

 

 

 

(Just a final note - I'm really sorry Krauty but I have been too busy to make the post this week. I'll post your mini on Saturday morning so as I don't feel rushed and can do a proper job of it.)

[BrotherJim]

Holy wow, I just realised I could knock out a few scenic bases now with the Cadians and what not I already have. Another point about the catachans is that they are very humbjumble. Whereas the Cadians are very regimented. So I prefer the Cadians as renegade guard, and the Catachans for cultist. At least that way I can keep the two very seperate and distinct from one another. Having the renegade guard as a whole seperate force from my cultist hordes. We'll see, there's plenty of room for overlap and exploration, particularly if I tie in the scenic objective markers.

[KrautScientist]

Just a short comment for now: Please don't repaint the skin, if at all possible -- I was just going to compliment you on the skin tone you had achieved and then almost did a double take when reading you were planning to repaint it. Why would you do that? it's looking excellent!

[BrotherJim]

Ahh yes sorry, I just meant the section of his body that had been ruined when I removed the orginal hood, I need to repaint that section. I will leave the rest of it alone. Although personally I can't decide if I like the purple or not. It started out very innocently, I was just using the purple wash in some of the recesses, and you know I spilled abit here and there, and soon started pulling it all over the miniature. It was fun while it lasted but it was over too quick, and now I have a pink demon prince. Damn you she who thirsts!

 

I prefer him earlier with only a brown wash, he was more monotone, but I liked that. I'll leave it for now, thanks for the compliment!

[KrautScientist]

Well, I just have the photos to go by, but the skin tone looks excellent. Like pale, unhealthy skin. Much more natural and believable than the brown wash recipe you used before -- and I think going for a similar, if not quite as purple, effect would be one great part of making your BL footsloggers a bit more interesting, painting-wise ;)

[BrotherJim]

Oh you tempt me so Krauty! I realise I am making this all a bit difficult for everyone; asking for advice and then rejecting it wholesale! What a dick! I think it's just taking me time to adjust to colour. When I look at other peoples miniatures there are always so many little details and colours. I have a hard time dealing with more than three colours. I know I should reserve judgement until everything is finished, it's just taking some time to break down those barriers in my mind.

 

The skin is just your recipe. Though I did brown first, then the flesh wash, then purple. But I've gone back to thinning them down and spashing them around some more. Maybe even some black wash earlier on. I will say that I really don't like the flesh wash or any sticky icky-ness or realism at this point. Say for example I'm looking at my possesed. Orginally I wanted them quite cartoony. I was just intending to down my bone colour the way I always do, for their mutations. But now I'm thinking I could use a flesh colour and some washes. I can handle purple. It feeds into Slaneesh and I would like to think one day I could sculpt nice and sexy space marines, rather than the broken and ugly things I have been producing (Nurgle.) So just making my way through the Pantheon, trying on flavours and colours and hopefully developing my skill.

 

I'm definitely intending to repaint the BlackLegion and build one more squad. I'm getting things set up so I can get more work done through the week, it just takes time, and more food. I'm always hungry!

 

Here are the possesed. Should be right to knock them out this weekend. I got my new brushes so I might start up the renegades in the background.

 

Thanks agian

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/0440A221-3B79-405F-A017-E16D0DC9E0BB_zps5kkfxtou.jpg

 

I took this photo when I was comparing bases, thought I should post it just because

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/72D64309-AE51-49D7-8FB7-E48BDFD43FF7_zpsfijmdxtk.jpg

 

 

And some more demon prince. I'm intending to share all the w.i.p photos from start to finish once I complete the miniature, there have been a few versions we missed.

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/AD6A3D45-D04B-40E9-A0E3-1E5D9072951C_zpsvdb8n0jy.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/477C9032-16D4-4ACE-8018-0AE7C581C778_zpse4wvsczg.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/A097C289-198F-4DBE-96CE-1A01A2DAC334_zpsfby0f7wy.jpg

 

I'm not really to happy with the hood, but there is enough that's good that I will keep it for now. I want to change the shape of the "face" to be less rotund and more hollow, it seems worse in the pictures.

[BrotherJim]

Hey hey got some progress on the possessed. I spent all day painting yesterday and got them to my usual 50% completion. I did start just two, but by the time I got them up and running it was quick enough to catch the others up. Now I am down to the details, and my 00 series 7.

Things I want to do are

 

Paint the eyes blue

Paint the wings with grey streaks

Red or yellow chaos stars on the shoulder pads

The warp talons shoulder pads are throwing my of with all their details; I have just block them in gold. I would like to break them up a bit, probably with black and then silver for the kind grill section.

Also more washes.

 

I'm going to go back to the DP to warm up my brush hands, once I get things flowing I should be confident to finish the possessed. I'm pretty happy though. If I were working in isolation I would have bailed already and started my termies while my enthusiasm is at maximum.

I've gone back to thinking I need to be as productive as possible on my weekends, so I may just begin base coating the renegade dogs aswell...

 

Hoorah fresh progress pictures!

 

Here they are

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/658BDD6C-43E3-4BE6-8F2B-5FF29DCDFC42_zps0zhooam5.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/E76940E6-0BC2-4DD9-8D31-696500DA5E55_zpszrqgxnaw.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/EFC9CCC5-ED86-43DF-A056-9D4605AD4369_zpskylccuem.jpg

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/DFC4F10C-ED4B-4297-894B-A228BA766014_zpsqtprcxfi.jpg

 

Pretty standard so far, but I'm pretty happy with them.

 

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y400/jimbo196/FD2022E3-BDB8-43A1-AB69-210796270FE4_zpspzwkzbwz.jpg

 

Strangely enough this is what has captured my imagination. I want to make a horde of little critters and crawlers, chaos familiars or spawn, who creep along in the wake of the Shattered Heart, collecting weapons and anything that seems useful. It started out as a familiar to carry the spare helm for my sorcerer, but I like the idea and want to explore it somehow.

 

I might just a display character who is murdering guardsman, maybe the champ who becomes the price, I feel like building something...

 

Any advice on the possessed?

 

Thanks!

 

Edit- grammar, always grammar :/