[BC] The Blackest Heart (OOC)

[Necronaut]

@Mazer Rackham refresh my memory, if you please: were there fixed supply costs to apply weapon upgrades? Our OOC thread is getting to be comically long, so it might be worth updating the character/data thread with all of this sundry/supplemental information if it hasn't already been captured there so we're not all having to blindly search in here.

 

To wit: were I to request/bargain with Xerxes to apply some manner of upgrade to Ukalegon's melta pistol (let's say Arm Mounting from Deathwatch Core, for example) would I be looking at an infamy test on top of spending components (I'm thinking yes per the RAW)? There is the craftsmanship level progression path, which you provided as an example in your second post in the Char/Data thread, but does that apply to weapon/armour upgrades as well?

Edited March 22 by Necronaut

[Mojake]

2 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

It does, you get your choice of bumper sticker for your starboard exhaust cowling:

• Think Bike;
• If you're reading this you're too close;
• My other ride is a Land Speeder;
• Wish my wife was as dirty as this jump pack.

 

If my first Operate roll is bad let's make it an L plate!

[Xin Ceithan]

1 hour ago, Mazer Rackham said:

 

If you recall, you actually lost a few points of Infamy for the Delly episode, since Uncle Huron was not in the mood

 

TBH I thought I ‘d recall something like that but it was either a long walk down the IC thread or asking, so this was quicker 

 

Regarding the info, I thought on expanding Rakash’s knowledge on the more obscure and arcane practices and practioners of the Sector - his motivation is “Arcane”, after all.

Not all of the stuff might be of imminent use - I’d figure actual  Arbites or Ordo case files are not really available at our Infamy but there might be copies / biographies of famous Inquisitiors or heretics, local heresies or such. Von Richten’s Guide to Inca Sector?
Not an actual copy of the King of Yellow but maybe something the play or where it’s acquired a …cult following …

something like that? 

[Mazer Rackham]

1 hour ago, Necronaut said:

@Mazer Rackham refresh my memory, if you please: were there fixed supply costs to apply weapon upgrades? Our OOC thread is getting to be comically long, so it might be worth updating the character/data thread with all of this sundry/supplemental information if it hasn't already been captured there so we're not all having to blindly search in here.

 

There are no fixed costs.

 

I examine the quality, availability, size, scope and scale of the project etc of the Item required and then apply my judgement to what is reasonable:

• Hagga's Trophy Rack - 5 Components.
• Kraggan's Machine Trait Upgrade - 30 Components, because he already had a few upgrades there.

1 hour ago, Necronaut said:

To wit: were I to request/bargain with Xerxes to apply some manner of upgrade to Ukalegon's melta pistol (let's say Arm Mounting from Deathwatch Core, for example) would I be looking at an infamy test on top of spending components (I'm thinking yes per the RAW)?

 

No. You're spending Resources, which are a team pool. It's designed to enable you to do selfish stuff which will cause friction within the team when someone inevitably wants a heated seat for their power armour. You would only make an Infamy Test to threaten someone into doing the work for nothing.

 

1 hour ago, Necronaut said:

There is the craftsmanship level progression path, which you provided as an example in your second post in the Char/Data thread, but does that apply to weapon/armour upgrades as well?

 

This is one reason why there are no fixed costs. It will vary from item to item, and the list of items is inexhaustible. The answer is: it depends.

 

If we take your melta pistol arm mounting for example, we apply an upgrade to it. That's it. The upgrade improves the rarity of the weapon, but it doesn't increase Quality. You need the Tech to do the work - if he demands payment in a favour, that's up to him. Infamy only comes into it if you don't want to uphold your end of the bargain. He then makes a test to apply the upgrade (depending, again, on what it is).

 

If you want to make an Infamy Test to then get, say, a gunsight for it, then you would be testing against the higher Rarity of the item. Once your gun/helmet/bum-scrubber hits Unique, that's it, no more upgrades other than to quality. The final nail in this coffin, would be, of course, daemonic possession.

 

Does that make any sense?

 

1 hour ago, Mojake said:

If my first Operate roll is bad let's make it an L plate!

 

Stabilisers are 10 Components.

 

You can weld springs to your feet for free.

 

38 minutes ago, Xin Ceithan said:

Not an actual copy of the King of Yellow but maybe something the play or where it’s acquired a…cult following…something like that? 

 

Shouldn't be a difficulty for an RT. At the end of the day they have intelligence networks as well, it will just be a matter for me to craft something up for you.

 

@BadgersinHills I'm sure a crate of something interesting to the palette can be found.

 

Mourn: *Half-cut on Black Absinthe, inspecting his new bombs*

Mourn: *Takes another pull on his drink, noticing his colleague's look of concern.*

Mourn: 'Did I ever tell you of Xander The Wise? No? It is not a tale the Imperium would tell you.'

Varne: 'No, but I am curious - why have you just swallowed a grenade pin?'

 

 

Edited March 22 by Mazer Rackham

[Necronaut]

@Mazer Rackham cheers, that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure I had it right. So the parts cost in this case would be...? Just weighing my options here.

Edited March 22 by Necronaut

[Xin Ceithan]

More questions!

 

Are we conducting all contact with the RT via our resident con man ? 
Could I describe the inquiry as a sort of relayed text / letter to our new benefactors?

 

Also - is it possible to have look at the Drukhari bodies without any breaking stasis? Or at least put the lid back on afterwards? 
Or will they decay if we open the lid?  

[Mazer Rackham]

1 hour ago, Necronaut said:

@Mazer Rackham cheers, that's what I thought, just wanted to make sure I had it right. So the parts cost in this case would be...? Just weighing my options here.

 

*Sucks in air through teeth*

 

I'd say 20 Components. 10 for the mounting, 10 for the re-working of the mechanisms to work with the new-fangled setup.

 

Tech-Use test for the build. Of course if whoever is building it gets 4 DoF, your gun gets broke and you're back to that fork.

 

21 minutes ago, Xin Ceithan said:

Are we conducting all contact with the RT via our resident con man?

 

Depends on how covert you want to be.

 

21 minutes ago, Xin Ceithan said:

Could I describe the inquiry as a sort of relayed text / letter to our new benefactors?

 

Well, looking at where the conversation left, we can assume that Crux'as would levy his deal/proposals before the RT at one go in a back and forth the RT would be comfortable with - trade deals would be expected to carry several paragraphs, risk analysis and agreements, so wouldn't be a problem.

 

21 minutes ago, Xin Ceithan said:

Also - is it possible to have look at the Drukhari bodies without any breaking stasis? Or at least put the lid back on afterwards? 
Or will they decay if we open the lid?  

 

I mean, if you want to stick your fork in to check they're done, by all means...

[Mojake]

@Iron Father Ferrum if Varne invites Obi to accompany him on his trek to the armoury to chat, will he come? Just to save having to make a couple more posts between us in the IC arranging a merry wander 

[Mazer Rackham]

Spoiler

 

 

[Lysimachus]

I did think of one other thing I'd like to Acquire if it is ok to roll for more than 1 item, please GM, a Photon Flash Grenade?

 

Rare: -10

Single: +10

Crux'as mod: +10

Total: +10

Inf30 +10 = 40, Roll: 68, Fail (sigh, nope again! ) 

 

 

 

 

 

Question: I assume there is a limit to the number of items we can try to Acq at any given point in the game? I mean, otherwise, if I keep trying for stuff, eventually I'm going to roll low enough to get one of them...? 

 

 

 

[Mazer Rackham]

4 minutes ago, Lysimachus said:

Question: I assume there is a limit to the number of items we can try to Acq at any given point in the game? I mean, otherwise, if I keep trying for stuff, eventually I'm going to roll low enough to get one of them...? 

 

Yes, you can try to ACQ at any point eligible, but can only make the attempt/s once per point. Essentially you must either:

• Move to a new location
• Events change the nature of the place
• Your Infamy increases and you come back to the same place

That's about it. It's kind of like the grabber game...just have to keep trying and have patience..

 

EDIT: I'll update us again on Tuesday, folks post as you see fit. Might want to start your prep for Mission Launch.

 

Edited March 22 by Mazer Rackham

[A.T.]

Xerxes, various rolls:

Infamy 31, 3 rolls:

 

Interface Port

- Rare (-10)

- Single Item (+10)

- Common Quality (+0)

Roll: 07, Pass

 

Utility Mechadendrite

Acquisition Test at -10

- Very Rare (-20)

- Single Item (+10)

- Common Quality (+0)

Roll: 49, Fail

 

Orthoproxy Plans

- Rarity (+??)

 

Fabricating ablative flak cloak/mechanicus style robes

10 components, narrative to follow

 

Collection and study of the virus

Tech use 75 +10 combi-tool, +10 foresight, (+port?)

Weak: Target 75, roll 41 - pass

Strong: Target 65. roll 69 - infamy point, roll 54 - pass
Pure: Target 55, roll 12 - pass

[Machine God]

@Mazer Rackham - GM, how about an Acquisition Test to improve Kraggan's Light Carapace Armour to Heavy Carapace?

[Mazer Rackham]

Certainly - all in, a suit of heavy carapace will be -10 to your Infamy Test.

 

Alternatively, if you wish to 'up-armour' your Light Carapace by +1 AP, this will cost 10 Supplies.

 

Edited March 23 by Mazer Rackham

[Lord_Ikka]

Acquire Clothing (Good Quatlity)

Test - 29 + 10 (Average Availability) + 10 (Quantity - 1) - 10 (Good Craftsmanship) + 10 (Haggling bonus) = 49

Roll - 38

Result = Pass, 1 DoS. Clothes acquired

[Machine God]

10 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Certainly - all in, a suit of heavy carapace will be -10 to your Infamy Test.

 

Alternatively, if you wish to 'up-armour' your Light Carapace by +1 AP, this will cost 10 Supplies.

 

 

Could he modify the roll or add to Supplies by trading in his Light Carapace? 

 

 

 

[Mazer Rackham]

@Machine God Light Carapace is a bit of a bugger, since it's Rare (-10). If you trade-in it drops a step, to become Scarce (+0), so it nets you nothing. This is why I offered the alternative of Supplies, since Heavy Carapace is only +1AP anyway, and you would likely have ablative plates, flak etc hanging about to just make it (you have armourer etc, so it's a trivial matter to up-armour something you already have.

 

If you trade the Light Carapace in for Supplies, it's really a non-starter, as then you'd be breaking down for 5 Supplies, only to have to make Heavy Carapace for double that, as the 10 Supplies is based on upgrading your existing kit.

 

@A.T. With the Orthoproxy kit, do you want to go for Resistance (Machine Curse) and we can make it a Very Rare (-20), or Resistance (Scrapcode) for Rare (-10)? How does that sound? Since this is an invention for the game, negotiation is open for input on how your Character would work this.

 

 

[Machine God]

@Mazer Rackham - Thank you for the explanation. It's a bit of both on Kraggan's side as he doesn't have Light Carapace on his head only Good Craftsmanship Cranium Armour, so he needs to create a Heavy Carapace Helm which is +6AP. 

 

 

 

Edited March 23 by Machine God
Typo

[Mazer Rackham]

Didn't realise you didn't have the helmet. However the rating won't change. Heavy Carapace isn't affected by how much of it you want, just how Rare it is, so it's still -10 for just the bonce bucket. If you wanted to make only the head bucket, that's still going to be 10 Supplies since you're essentially crafting from scratch. Using Supplies means there will be no test.

 

If you wanted to Up-armour your Light Carapace and make the helmet it's going to be 20 Supplies, without a Test. You've got plenty of Supplies at the minute, it's Components you're really hurting for.

[BadgersinHills]

Legion Frag Grenade - Scarce

 

Legion Krak Grenade - Rare

 

Alcohol: 

Infamy: 29 + 20 (Common) = 49 

 

D100: 83

 

Legion Frag Grenade (Scarce), looking for 2-4: 

 

Infamy: 29 

 

D100: 60

 

Legion Krak Grenade:

 

Infamy: 29 - 10 + 10 = 29

 

D100: 68 

 

Let me know if I've made these rolls correctly. 

 

 

 

 

[Mazer Rackham]

Looks good.

 

I'm glad to see you've gone teetotal. Better for the nerves around explosives. 

[A.T.]

55 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

@A.T. With the Orthoproxy kit, do you want to go for Resistance (Machine Curse) and we can make it a Very Rare (-20), or Resistance (Scrapcode) for Rare (-10)? How does that sound? Since this is an invention for the game, negotiation is open for input on how your Character would work this.

 

I have been structuring it somewhat as an extended research / manufacture type task - in the sense that Xerxes wouldn't simply be able to buy a machine curse bolstered scrap code generator or protected ports but instead would get the regular version and then use his collected knowledge and research to upgrade them over time.

[BadgersinHills]

6 minutes ago, Mazer Rackham said:

Looks good.

 

I'm glad to see you've gone teetotal. Better for the nerves around explosives. 

 

Hey, it makes my hands stop trembling.

 

I assume the infamy test also counts as asking the Seneschal if he could provide what we're rolling for, or is it us looking around on the ship? 

[Mazer Rackham]

8 minutes ago, A.T. said:

I have been structuring it somewhat as an extended research / manufacture type task - in the sense that Xerxes wouldn't simply be able to buy a machine curse bolstered scrap code generator or protected ports but instead would get the regular version and then use his collected knowledge and research to upgrade them over time.

 

Right, so a poor Quality 'device' Rarity -20; Or, a totalled one at -10 you'd need to fix up a fair bit?

Alternatively, I can do you 1/3 of the specific components (Common Qual, that only you would have) at Scarce (+0)

 

Thoughts?

 

4 minutes ago, BadgersinHills said:

Hey, it makes my hands stop trembling.

 

Doctor, now. No more internet or sugar for you today. Medical attention - go!

 

4 minutes ago, BadgersinHills said:

I assume the infamy test also counts as asking the Seneschal if he could provide what we're rolling for, or is it us looking around on the ship? 

 

It's a half-half mix of both since you're trying to persuade the Seneschal you've got no space marines on board.

 

1 minute ago, Mojake said:

I can't find the post anymore which had the loot box we picked up - but I remember there being demo charges. Are they all needed for the coming mission or could Varne skim a few off the top?

 

Yes, 8 x Demo charges. They're in the shared folder on a tab in a spreadsheet named 'Resource Tracker' all your loot goblin stuff is there.

 

I won't tell you what you do with the stuff. That's totally up to you.

 

Edited March 23 by Mazer Rackham

[Mojake]

I can't find the post anymore which had the loot box we picked up - but I remember there being demo charges. Are they all needed for the coming mission or could Varne skim a few off the top?