Ferrus Manus Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 I haven't painted any Castigators for over three months now, but if I recall correctly, I used something along these lines: Chaos Black undercoat -> Two thin coats of Mechrite Red -> Red Gore highlights -> Baal Red wash Thats what I use, except I highlight the red gore with a 50/50 Blazing Orange/Red Gore highlight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1698658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordlord Posted September 18, 2008 Share Posted September 18, 2008 Vallejo Model Colours has the wonderful hues Cadmium Umber Red (#814) and Black-Red (#859) that I often use for techmarines. It's quite nice over Mechrite Red, washed with a 2:1 mix of red:black from the new GW washes. Very dark, but still red. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1699168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 18, 2008 Author Share Posted September 18, 2008 Well, this is the "proper" red for the Castigators. Are the colours you mention roughly equivalent? http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Vocates/Castigators.gif http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Castigators/CastigatorsVeteran.gif Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1699174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordlord Posted September 19, 2008 Share Posted September 19, 2008 No. The colors I mentioned would be too dark for you, if the above is color-correct. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1699817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 21, 2008 Author Share Posted September 21, 2008 No. The colors I mentioned would be too dark for you, if the above is color-correct. That's a shame. :huh: Working on the Honour Guard, I've been giving them some thought. They traditionally serve as the Chapter Master's retinue, providing a defence of both the Master and the Crimson Standard, the Chapter's banner. It was after the betrayal of the Reapers (633.M38) that Chapter Master Trythus restructured the Honour Guard, ensuring that they would serve as a Sword of Damocles, ready to execute the Master of the Chapter should he show any sign of Chaos corruption. I had the thought that the Seneschal would have a sword that would be used to decapitate the Master - though it's never been used. (Alternatively, he has a sword which would be used on the Chapter Master, but he also uses it in battle, reminding the Chapter Master of the potent consequences of falling to Chaos.) I did consider that potentially the Senschal could be a position created by Trythus. Also, Codex-wise, the rules for the Chapter Champion represent the Seneschal well. My thoughts on the Crimson Standard are that Chapter tradition dictates that whoever the Ancient hands it to becomes the new Master. Normally this would be another Honour Guard (as in the case when Constantine passed it to Rhetoricus), but it would have amusing consequences if the Ancient were to pass it to a scout. Of course, it would be a terrible situation if none of the Honour Guard were around to take the standard from the Ancient. Still, the idea certainly amuses me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother varen Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Mol, have you tried the paints from Privateer press? They seem to be darker. They have Sanguine base, skorne red, khador red base, khador red highlight, and sanguine highlight. I don't know if it is right. so are you thinking to include a chapter champion? There is still no company champions, correct? What are you thinking about the new Master of the Forge character in the new Codex? How far off is the Castigator website? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 For all who are interested Mechrite washed with Devlan Mud is perfect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I'm curious Mol, how many Castigators make up the Honour Guard? I'm sure it varies slightly but do you have a quick estimation? Also after just finishing up with the extract from the Black Library on the Assault on Black Reach, do you plan on giving all the squads in a Company a nickname? For example the Tactical Squad lead by Sergeant Scipio has the title the 'Thunderbolts'. It could add some more character to inner-company situations. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 22, 2008 Author Share Posted September 22, 2008 Mol, have you tried the paints from Privateer press? They seem to be darker. They have Sanguine base, skorne red, khador red base, khador red highlight, and sanguine highlight. I don't know if it is right. I haven't, no. I'm trying not to buy every red ever to use as a test. :) so are you thinking to include a chapter champion? There is still no company champions, correct? What are you thinking about the new Master of the Forge character in the new Codex? How far off is the Castigator website? What I mean to say is that the Seneschal, as the leader of the Honour Guard, could be used in the new Codex as a Chapter Champion. The Chapter Champion has specific rules in the Codex. The Castigators don't have a Chapter Champion, though. Counts-as is useful there, though. The Master of the Forge is an interesting character, though. The new Codex gives quite a bit of information, about how in the majority of Chapters the Techmarines kept to themselves, and the Master of the Forge is seen as being almost closer to Machines than to the Battle-Brothers of the Chapter. Which fits with the Castigators. Masters of the Forge are typically 'isolated' and 'eccentric'. The Castigators do have a Master of the Forge, and I wrote his name down somewhere (he's named in honour of Fabricator-General) but he would be rather distant from the bulk of the Chapter. For all who are interested Mechrite washed with Devlan Mud is perfect. Got any pics you can show us? :);) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 22, 2008 Author Share Posted September 22, 2008 I'm curious Mol, how many Castigators make up the Honour Guard? I'm sure it varies slightly but do you have a quick estimation? Also after just finishing up with the extract from the Black Library on the Assault on Black Reach, do you plan on giving all the squads in a Company a nickname? For example the Tactical Squad lead by Sergeant Scipio has the title the 'Thunderbolts'. It could add some more character to inner-company situations. I don't know. The Codex says 'most Space Marine Chapters have only have a handful of Honour Guard... A few of the older and larger Chapters can muster as many as two dozen Honour Guards, but it is a rare and terrible day when they all fight as one.' The Codex allows ten Honour Guard to be bought in a single unit, and I would guess that there wouldn't be too many more. As for nicknaming the squads, I'm all for it. But I'm not going to personally name all 100 of them. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 That's what I'm here for! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I don't know. The Codex says 'most Space Marine Chapters have only have a handful of Honour Guard... A few of the older and larger Chapters can muster as many as two dozen Honour Guards, but it is a rare and terrible day when they all fight as one.' The Codex allows ten Honour Guard to be bought in a single unit, and I would guess that there wouldn't be too many more. As for nicknaming the squads, I'm all for it. But I'm not going to personally name all 100 of them Unless your the Ultramarines, I mean three honour guard units?! But anyway as for squad nicknames its a nice idea one that could work. I best get started, Tigris wont wait for ever :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 The Ultramarines need the honor guard for all their characters. "a rare and terrible day". What kid of day would that be, I am intriqued as to what would make the entire honor guard fight in one place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother varen Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Has the new codex changed the Castigators from your orginal version? It seems it has or have you made changes to it? I seems to remember that you stated that there were no more than 50 honor guard within the chapter. Are you trying to stay within GW's guidelines of codex? Wouldn't that kind of restrict your orginality to the Castigators? Even the Ultramarines have straied from the codex by making the Tyranid Veterans and modifing their battle barge to include tactics to fight the tyranids. What i'm trying to say is that you shouldn't restrict your Castigators by trying to comform to GW's guidelines of a codex chapter. You have put to much into the Castigators to see it changed by guidelines. If the Ultramarines can do it, why can't their successors? I don't beleive that the Castigators would not do the same as the Ultramarines, to better serve the Emperor and Imperium. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 22, 2008 Author Share Posted September 22, 2008 Talking about Trythus, I do have this, which some of you will've seen in my blog: Chapter Masters of the Castigators NameDate BeganDate of DeathNotesQuintilius900.M41IncumbentCurrent Chapter MasterUnknown???.M41900.M41None at presentHadrian???.M40139.M41Attended the Conclave at Gathalamor, Renews the Chapter's Oath to the EmperorTrythus503.M38756.M38Chapter Master during the betrayal of the Reapers - restructured elements of the Chapter to ensure the Castigators would endure.Janus "The Grey"205.M38205.M38Was Chapter Master for only nine standard months before his death.Septimus630.M37743.M37Chapter Master during the Truth War of .M37Crassus???.M3????.M3?Succeeded Baraquiel upon his death; also originally a Black Consul. Ordered the Chapter to paint its armour black for fourteen years in memory of Baraquiel.Baraquiel???.M3????.M3?Founded the Chapter I was thinking about the conflicting reports we have on the age of Space Marines. Recently it's been suggested that the oldest (non-Blood Angel) Marines will be between 400 and 500. So you have to consider how long a Chapter Master remains in his post. If we assume that their rule lasts between 100-200 years on average, then we have a starting point to try and work out how many Chapter Masters the Castigators have had. The Castigators have been around for ~7000ish years, I assume, which means somewhere between 35-70 Chapter Masters in their history. Quite a lot, when you think about it. EDIT: Has the new codex changed the Castigators from your orginal version? It seems it has or have you made changes to it? I seems to remember that you stated that there were no more than 50 honor guard within the chapter. Are you trying to stay within GW's guidelines of codex? Wouldn't that kind of restrict your orginality to the Castigators? Even the Ultramarines have straied from the codex by making the Tyranid Veterans and modifing their battle barge to include tactics to fight the tyranids. What i'm trying to say is that you shouldn't restrict your Castigators by trying to comform to GW's guidelines of a codex chapter. You have put to much into the Castigators to see it changed by guidelines. If the Ultramarines can do it, why can't their successors? I don't beleive that the Castigators would not do the same as the Ultramarines, to better serve the Emperor and Imperium. Well, my primary aim with the Castigators is to make them adhere to the background where possible. I think one of the things that makes them attractive to people reading them is that they seem consistent with the 40k ethos - that they could easily be a Chapter featured in the histories of the 40k universe. Fifty seems like a lot of Honour Guard (it's like having half a First Company over again) and their role is to guard the Chapter Master and the Ancient. So I can understand them being relatively limited in size. The Castigators have strayed from the Codex Astartes in certain places. A key example would be their First Company, which has twelve squads. That's because of their 21 suits of Terminator Armour. The Terminators are organised into four squads of five (I, II, III, IV) and then the other eighty Veterans form eight squads of ten (V-XII). Not something that greatly impacts on their fighting style, but something distinct that distinguishes them. I think every piece of new fluff about the Marines will impact how I look at the Castigators. Otherwise I'd have to ignore things like the Vanguard, Sternguard, Ironclad, etc. I don't think that that's a bad thing, or that the Castigators are restricted. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Sternguard are awesome, I cant get enough. I have yet to write a list for the Castigators that doesnt have 3 squads of Sternguard. Maybe Kantor wouldn't be a bad choice for Caphius... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1702863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nash Trickster Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 Molotov, have you seen the "How to paint the Black Reach Captain" entry of BoLS today? Except for the white shoulder guards and purple cape, it'd make for a nice Castigator! (And I can't help to think i'd make a good Sirius with the skull and starburst logo common to the Black Reach Marines...) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1703569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 You beat me too it! It does work well, but the white undercoat requires attention or itll be uneven. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1703642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted September 23, 2008 Share Posted September 23, 2008 (And I can't help to think i'd make a good Sirius with the skull and starburst logo common to the Black Reach Marines...) You're entirely right Nash, the only reason why I decided against using the AoBR Captain for Sirius, is because it will become too overused. Even with some converting I believe you'd still be able to guess what the base model is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1703658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 24, 2008 Author Share Posted September 24, 2008 Interesting spot, Nash. A white undercoat seems very counter-intuitive, though. For me, though, the AoBR Captain is perfect for representing Caphius. Take a look at the picture SeerBrun drew months before AoBR even came out: http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z121/mnesimache/Castigators/Caphius.jpg The bionic eye, the cloak, the braiding on the torso... enough for me to see the AoBR Captain as Caphius. I intend to convert mine with a power fist and a bolt pistol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1703662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I intend to convert mine with a power fist and a bolt pistol. What's the point in having a Bolt Pistol? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1703664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commissar Molotov Posted September 24, 2008 Author Share Posted September 24, 2008 I don't quite follow your drift. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1703668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I don't quite follow your drift. Apart from letting you charge after you shoot it, the point of having a Bolt Pistol and Power Fist combo kinda lost it's zeal when the 5th Edition Power Fist rules came into effect (ie only a 2nd Power Fist granting 1+ Attack). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1703673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Calgar it up perhaps? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1703675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heru Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Calgar it up perhaps? Nah I'd of thought a Bolter with Hellfire Rounds + Power Fist might be more effective than a Bolt Pistol and Power Fist. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/80277-the-castigators/page/25/#findComment-1703678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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